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Post by The Party Captain on Jul 22, 2010 17:11:31 GMT -5
Alt is isolating itself by playing less and less music that's poppy. I find alt stations to be kind of dreary, which is why I've switched to mainly listening to pop recently. At some point alt will realize their error and bring the fun back. I will agree. I am at odds with the two formats right now. CHR is just synth-Auto Tune junk while Alt has become this always irritable and aggressive monster. I don't dig aggression in music that isn't going anywhere. All the music on CHR sounds the same. Most of the music on Alt sounds the same. And the closest thing to a blend is Hot AC, where I usually reside.
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Post by singingrulebritannia on Jul 23, 2010 1:34:55 GMT -5
Alt is isolating itself by playing less and less music that's poppy. I find alt stations to be kind of dreary, which is why I've switched to mainly listening to pop recently. At some point alt will realize their error and bring the fun back. If you're talking about Mainstream Rock, sure.
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Post by Pipa on Jul 24, 2010 23:27:34 GMT -5
I'm finding the opposite problem. Alt is just a watered-down version of Pop, only without the, uh...choruses.
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Post by Nicholas2.0 on Jul 27, 2010 2:19:41 GMT -5
I will agree. I am at odds with the two formats right now. CHR is just synth-Auto Tune junk while Alt has become this always irritable and aggressive monster. I don't dig aggression in music that isn't going anywhere. All the music on CHR sounds the same. Most of the music on Alt sounds the same. And the closest thing to a blend is Hot AC, where I usually reside. I agree with this, mostly. The watered-down electro sound and Auto-Tune influence is beyond its saturation point. Jay-Z's "Death of Auto-Tune" was a great cultural statement, but as far as I'm concerned, Kanye's 808s & Heartbreak was the unspoken album-length "Death of Auto-Tune" 6 months earlier. Anyone releasing music with Auto-Tune-abusing vocals after that was an uninspired sucker. Anyway, organic instruments are dying a slow death, but it's like pop music producers just took one idea or possibility and have run it into the ground already. And if you're a brand new rock band emerging on the scene, good luck holding my attention with the stale, limiting combination of guitar, bass and drums alone. You really have to go the extra mile at this point to make me a fan if you just restrict yourselves to that. And leave the backward-thinking misogynist, chest-thumping bullshit at home. I further split my time with the Urban and Rhythmic formats, personally, and obviously R&B and hip-hop are just as guilty of being out of ideas (if not more so) than Pop and Alternative. At least topically. I'm very much interested in hip-hop production, due to how epic it often is and the depth (or potential depth) of sounds involved. There's too much AC in Hot AC for me to hang around the dial for too long, i.e., I feel like too much cultural diversity is lost, along with a lot of rock & roll attitude. There are definitely some songs I love that are bigger crossovers there, though, or are all but exclusive to the format, so there is that. Every once in awhile I'll catch a few Country tunes, too, but since I barely hear any of the songs that chart, I'm not interested in analyzing the state of affairs over there, because the Country format has its own problems, no doubt.
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Post by esperanca on Aug 3, 2010 6:57:13 GMT -5
late 90s there was so much nice rock on the charts. 90s was a good decade for the rock music. Then after 2001 is was all slow depressing rock songs and now no rock songs. Is pop chart only for the gay people now? Sorry i have nothing against the gay people but why is everything dance dance gaga gaga boom boom...?
also alternative only plays the worst music in the world now... why they dont play sugar ray, goo goo dolls, third eye blind, matchbox 20, smash mouth,...i miss 90s but then i also hated 90s because all the gay boybands so it was also worst decade in the world..
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Post by llires on Aug 3, 2010 10:24:27 GMT -5
It isn't completely true that alt/rock doesn't have fun songs. Two great songs by Pheonix were hits, and those same songs could have been big hits on pop. I do feel like alt/rock plays old songs rather than giving new ones a chance, of course that depends on the station that you have in your area.
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Post by The Party Captain on Aug 3, 2010 17:05:38 GMT -5
I think the Rock 'n' Roll that I have grown to love has gone indie. I barely listen to the radio, and that's to catch a fringe artist or two on Hot AC. I pay most attention to the bottom of the Hot AC chart, because that's become the stuff I like.
"Crossfire" is probably going to crossover to CHR. Cage the Elephant and Muse are now our only hope.
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Post by crash46 on Aug 3, 2010 17:48:15 GMT -5
Pop has a definitive trend going for it right now that doesn't involve much rock. What is Alternative's identity right now? "All last year's hits, all the time!!!"? Yeah, I don't blame CHR for not tapping that.
It's funny because over the past 4 years or so, handfuls of tracks involving elements of pop's current trends have grazed Alternative, but with not much to speak of in terms of major success stories. That was Alternative's opportunity to put themselves on the cutting edge again. But, they ultimately decided they were best off staying lost in the 90's and now they've missed the boat.
It's alright though, I'm sure all our favorite record labels will buy airplay for all the right songs and pull us out of this any minute now.
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Post by Pipa on Aug 3, 2010 18:18:48 GMT -5
Pop has a definitive trend going for it right now that doesn't involve much rock. What is Alternative's identity right now? "All last year's hits, all the time!!!"? Yeah, I don't blame CHR for not tapping that. Geez, you weren't kidding. 17 songs in the top 40 were originally released in 2010. In August? Pathetic.
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Post by esperanca on Aug 4, 2010 1:08:09 GMT -5
But is it now cool for the teenagers to listen to alternative rock? i remember in the 90s all the cool teens would listen to "alternative rock", especially the white people.
Is it still cool or is it now more for the boring people and the cool people listen to hip hop and rap? just curious
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Post by Nicholas2.0 on Aug 4, 2010 4:00:37 GMT -5
What is Alternative's identity right now? "All last year's hits, all the time!!!"? Yeah, I don't blame CHR for not tapping that. OMG, so true! And LOL at the second sentence. :)
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Post by singingrulebritannia on Aug 4, 2010 21:55:42 GMT -5
But is it now cool for the teenagers to listen to alternative rock? i remember in the 90s all the cool teens would listen to "alternative rock", especially the white people. Is it still cool or is it now more for the boring people and the cool people listen to hip hop and rap? just curious All the cool people are listening to 60s-70s soul and funk
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Post by The Party Captain on Aug 4, 2010 22:49:32 GMT -5
I can say Alt Rock does not get any love from the college crowd. It's either the Top 40 or the latest indie/coffee shop/jam band.
I like to think of "Rock N Roll" as more than a genre and rather as a movement. It was bold. It was defiant. It was teenage sex on the dirty back seat of a car. The greatest rock songs of all time had experimentation, virtuosity, and freshness. Over time, since the 90s, most of the radio rock defines the middle ground. You don't hear "Bohemian Rhapsody" or "Sweet Child of Mine" anymore. I don't blame America for moving on. Radio programmers ate a big bowl of stupid.
However, rock is not necessarily in a bad position. Rock is finest when it's against the mainstream and rebellious in nature. If you want good, creative, clever rock, you have to go indie these days. In the next 10 years, I think we are going to see rock slowly go back to basics and come back strong. We just need the musicians.
For now, radio has turned into MTV and has started playing all the shit the redneck mamas and middle schoolers love.
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Post by crash46 on Aug 5, 2010 10:06:41 GMT -5
The problem with indie is that it's more about image than it is about music. That's why it doesn't really fit on radio en masse.
If the "cool kids" aren't listening to modern rock, it's because it's not being branded well. Alternative is the one and only format whose target demographic is "the cool kids", and no one but "the cool kids". How could you lose that audience?
I still say it's the nagging trend of Corporate America where the suits get so carried down with the bottom line that they totally lose sight of what's important. I mean, eleven weeks at number one should have been long enough for them to realize that nobody listens to The Dirty Heads, but what radio station in these times is gonna turn down large sums of money to play something else for free?
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Post by john123 on Aug 5, 2010 12:02:11 GMT -5
I think it's cause people are sick of hearing the same 5 grunge bands and other bands of that time that are played lot on active rock and alt.
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Post by Nicholas2.0 on Aug 6, 2010 1:56:57 GMT -5
If the "cool kids" aren't listening to modern rock, it's because it's not being branded well. Alternative is the one and only format whose target demographic is "the cool kids", and no one but "the cool kids". How could you lose that audience? Well put. :)
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Post by Matt4319 on Aug 6, 2010 2:13:36 GMT -5
But is it now cool for the teenagers to listen to alternative rock? i remember in the 90s all the cool teens would listen to "alternative rock", especially the white people. Is it still cool or is it now more for the boring people and the cool people listen to hip hop and rap? just curious Quit it, Keith.
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