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Post by Caviar on Jul 14, 2010 16:01:16 GMT -5
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Post by esoteric76 on Jul 14, 2010 16:16:19 GMT -5
Very excited. Since the ballad version is in a 3/4 time signature, I wonder if she's singing the song in a different structure to get a 4/4. Could be some really interesting choices/vocals going on here. Tons of potential!
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Post by 🅳🅸🆂🅲🅾 on Jul 14, 2010 16:16:55 GMT -5
According to the information posted at DJRicoMixshow by Hosh, a certain remixer duo is doing that mix. Sandeep later confirmed that it's not Thunderpuss, as many of were hoping. :( Soul Solution is the only other duo I can think of at this moment that would fit the info suggested. I'm excited either way. :) Very excited. Since the ballad version is in a 3/4 time signature, I wonder if she's singing the song in a different structure to get a 4/4. Could be some really interesting choices/vocals going on here. Tons of potential! I was messing around in ACID with the album version, and I noticed the original bpm is around 100 and that speeding it up just would not work. The vocals sounded cracked out and without any emotion. And slowing it down from there would be the other extreme. I tried this other method where I multiplied the bpm by 3, making it 300 as the base bpm, then dividing it by 2 to make 150. Then I slowed it down from 150 to 130. It sounded good. Forcing it to fit in a 4/4 time signature kinda worked, but a lot of editing was needed to make it sound natural. If the re-recording was done the way I'm thinking they did, it will be something like that. |
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Post by moranfan on Jul 14, 2010 18:23:07 GMT -5
Why would hq2 not fit????
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2010 20:42:48 GMT -5
Why would hq2 not fit???? I thought Mac Quayle had a falling out with Hex Hector years ago and hasn't worked with him since. Or was that Dezrok? I wonder if the duo could be Tony Moran & Warren Rigg? Or maybe Razor & Guido? |
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Post by frank on Jul 14, 2010 21:01:56 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind a Moran/Rigg mix.
Just out of curiosity, has anyone ever made the mistake of retaining a 3/4 time signature in a 'dance remix'? The only thing that comes to mind is Seal's "Kiss From a Rose".
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2010 21:20:34 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind a Moran/Rigg mix. Just out of curiosity, has anyone ever made the mistake of retaining a 3/4 time signature in a 'dance remix'? The only thing that comes to mind is Seal's "Kiss From a Rose". What you call a mistake, others call "out of the box" thinking ;) I've always wondered why some brave unconventional remixer didn't decide to keep the 3/4 for Celine Dion "A New Day Has Come" since the 2 official remixes for that song were wretched beyond belief - slowing down her vocals to near-coma speed...now THAT was a mistake! The album version was 120 BPM already, so it would've been super easy to plop some beats down over the song, do some creative editing to give it a couple 32's of 4/4 intro & outro, and BANG - instant classic. But to answer your question, the only few that come to mind are Jonathan Peters feat. Luminairre "Flower Duet" (in 6/4) and Love To Infinity's mix for Diana King "Say A Little Prayer" which technically wasn't in 3/4 but the chorus rhythm was so wacky that it might as well have been  |
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Post by 🅳🅸🆂🅲🅾 on Jul 14, 2010 22:30:20 GMT -5
Nikolas & Sibley were another duo that came to my mind a few minutes ago when their Cher mix from back in the day came on in iTunes. They were active during the same timeline mentioned at the other board. I liked a number of their mixes.
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Post by christopherp on Jul 14, 2010 22:30:32 GMT -5
Wow, Soul Solution would be quite a treat! Are they still together? They were so good back in the day. They were great at taking a slower/emotional song and doing something really creative and different with it to translate it to the dance floor. Of course I would love to see a Hex reunion with Mac or Dez, but that's probably wishful thinking. And it's too bad the immense potential in the Soul-Hex collaboration was never really fulfilled after they clashed working on the Toni Braxton "Un-Break My Heart" mixes. Moran & Rigg could work, though it's kind of hard for me to picture such a circuit-y sound for this song. I'd actually love for Jonathan Peters and Tony Coluccio to reunite with Christina. Their work on "Hurt" was amazing. I've always wondered why some brave unconventional remixer didn't decide to keep the 3/4 for Celine Dion "A New Day Has Come" since the 2 official remixes for that song were wretched beyond belief - slowing down her vocals to near-coma speed...now THAT was a mistake! The album version was 120 BPM already, so it would've been super easy to plop some beats down over the song, do some creative editing to give it a couple 32's of 4/4 intro & outro, and BANG - instant classic. Actually, I think "A New Day Has Come" is in 4/4 time, but it's one of those songs that's tricky to transition to a dance song. If I had remixed it I would've sped up the vocals and just kept the tempo on the slower side, like low to mid 120's (similar to what Dave Audé did on MJB's "I Am," which I thought worked really well). I don't understand why Rizzo and Jones/Panaghi chose to slow the vocals, it kind of killed any energy the song could've had on the dance floor. |
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Post by moranfan on Jul 14, 2010 22:56:56 GMT -5
Another duo is widelife. They had quite a few hits in that period!
I still feel in my gut it's thunderpuss despite what anyone says but I'd be thrilled with hq2 or hex and dezrok.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2010 23:02:33 GMT -5
I've always wondered why some brave unconventional remixer didn't decide to keep the 3/4 for Celine Dion "A New Day Has Come" since the 2 official remixes for that song were wretched beyond belief - slowing down her vocals to near-coma speed...now THAT was a mistake! The album version was 120 BPM already, so it would've been super easy to plop some beats down over the song, do some creative editing to give it a couple 32's of 4/4 intro & outro, and BANG - instant classic. Actually, I think "A New Day Has Come" is in 4/4 time, but it's one of those songs that's tricky to transition to a dance song. If I had remixed it I would've sped up the vocals and just kept the tempo on the slower side, like low to mid 120's (similar to what Dave Audé did on MJB's "I Am," which I thought worked really well). I don't understand why Rizzo and Jones/Panaghi chose to slow the vocals, it kind of killed any energy the song could've had on the dance floor. In its original form "A New Day Has Come" was a beautiful piano-ballad in 3/4 time, but for its release to radio, some genius at the record label decided to add beats to it, making it into some bland lite-A/C pop ditty, and changed it to 4/4 time, inexplicably. You can hear the (major!) difference between the two versions here: www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0017T0E8Q/ref=sr_1_album_3_rd?ie=UTF8&child=B0017SV3ZU&qid=1279166359&sr=1-3 |
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Post by christopherp on Jul 14, 2010 23:42:49 GMT -5
Actually, I think "A New Day Has Come" is in 4/4 time, but it's one of those songs that's tricky to transition to a dance song. If I had remixed it I would've sped up the vocals and just kept the tempo on the slower side, like low to mid 120's (similar to what Dave Audé did on MJB's "I Am," which I thought worked really well). I don't understand why Rizzo and Jones/Panaghi chose to slow the vocals, it kind of killed any energy the song could've had on the dance floor. In its original form "A New Day Has Come" was a beautiful piano-ballad in 3/4 time, but for its release to radio, some genius at the record label decided to add beats to it, making it into some bland lite-A/C pop ditty, and changed it to 4/4 time, inexplicably. You can hear the (major!) difference between the two versions here: www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0017T0E8Q/ref=sr_1_album_3_rd?ie=UTF8&child=B0017SV3ZU&qid=1279166359&sr=1-3Ah, I see now. I admit I am not nearly a big enough Celine Dion fan to know the original version of that song. She's a bit sappy (and loony) for me. Hopefully whatever reworking is done for Christina will fare better! |
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Post by beach1 on Jul 15, 2010 3:01:36 GMT -5
Another possible duo might be Frischia and Lamboy.
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Post by Sandeep on Jul 15, 2010 4:08:27 GMT -5
It's funny, people never ever want to believe unless you start name dropping. I actually don't know who did the Mix, but I know it's not Thunderpuss. Chris is a very good friend of mine, he didn't do this. He's busy working on his album for Tommy Boy and DJ'ing. I was given a sneak peak at the Xtina mix mainly to hear the awesome re-cut vox, but I was specifically not told who it was to keep everyone (including me) guessing. I was messing around in ACID with the album version, and I noticed the original bpm is around 100 and that speeding it up just would not work. The vocals sounded cracked out and without any emotion. And slowing it down from there would be the other extreme. I tried this other method where I multiplied the bpm by 3, making it 300 as the base bpm, then dividing it by 2 to make 150. Then I slowed it down from 150 to 130. It sounded good. Forcing it to fit in a 4/4 time signature kinda worked, but a lot of editing was needed to make it sound natural. If the re-recording was done the way I'm thinking they did, it will be something like that. WTF?? I hold a Stats degree and that made even my head spin. Switching 3/4 to 4/4 is not a simple case of Maths For The Insane and time stretching something 500 times. All you are doing is degrading the quality each and every time you run it through your TS program. Switching 3/4 to 4/4 is about altering the rhythm, editing breaths, etc to make it fit. My general rule of thumb is that if something was 3/4 originally, forcing it to a 4/4 beat probably isn't the best. I thought Mac Quayle had a falling out with Hex Hector years ago and hasn't worked with him since. Or was that Dezrok? I wonder if the duo could be Tony Moran & Warren Rigg? Or maybe Razor & Guido? Hex and Mac still do some stuff together, last thing being the J-Lo. Mac is doing a lot of TV/Film score-type stuff in LA. |
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Post by esoteric76 on Jul 15, 2010 11:41:44 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind a Moran/Rigg mix. Just out of curiosity, has anyone ever made the mistake of retaining a 3/4 time signature in a 'dance remix'? The only thing that comes to mind is Seal's "Kiss From a Rose". What you call a mistake, others call "out of the box" thinking ;) I've always wondered why some brave unconventional remixer didn't decide to keep the 3/4 for Celine Dion "A New Day Has Come" since the 2 official remixes for that song were wretched beyond belief - slowing down her vocals to near-coma speed...now THAT was a mistake! The album version was 120 BPM already, so it would've been super easy to plop some beats down over the song, do some creative editing to give it a couple 32's of 4/4 intro & outro, and BANG - instant classic. But to answer your question, the only few that come to mind are Jonathan Peters feat. Luminairre "Flower Duet" (in 6/4) and Love To Infinity's mix for Diana King "Say A Little Prayer" which technically wasn't in 3/4 but the chorus rhythm was so wacky that it might as well have been The best example of a 3/4 to 4/4 conversion is DJ Gabriel's mix of Avril Lavigne's "I'm With You." A fantastic mix, you'll be shocked at how great it turned out. PM me if you have trouble finding it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2010 12:01:16 GMT -5
What you call a mistake, others call "out of the box" thinking ;) I've always wondered why some brave unconventional remixer didn't decide to keep the 3/4 for Celine Dion "A New Day Has Come" since the 2 official remixes for that song were wretched beyond belief - slowing down her vocals to near-coma speed...now THAT was a mistake! The album version was 120 BPM already, so it would've been super easy to plop some beats down over the song, do some creative editing to give it a couple 32's of 4/4 intro & outro, and BANG - instant classic. But to answer your question, the only few that come to mind are Jonathan Peters feat. Luminairre "Flower Duet" (in 6/4) and Love To Infinity's mix for Diana King "Say A Little Prayer" which technically wasn't in 3/4 but the chorus rhythm was so wacky that it might as well have been The best example of a 3/4 to 4/4 conversion is DJ Gabriel's mix of Avril Lavigne's "I'm With You." A fantastic mix, you'll be shocked at how great it turned out. PM me if you have trouble finding it. ha! he'll get a kick out of this testimonial :) I partied w/ him and his bf a couple weekends ago, Gabe is one of my closest friends and SO talented and SO much potential....he's without internet at the moment but next time I talk to him I'll mention this glowing recommendation hehe Actually him and I were going to do a remix of that Celine Dion "A New Day Has Come" together, this was of course way back in the day - but nothing ever came of it :( I feel like I should mention something about "You Lost Me" just to keep this meandering thread on-topic *lol* A few files leaked a couple weeks ago with a supposed "instrumental" and "karaoke version" which I tried to filter an acapella out of. I think they were both fake though or re-recorded because they ended up being totally different arrangements than the album version. Then there was a "radio edit" which had those obnoxious beats on top of it - ugh. Bring on the dance remixes! =D |
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Post by Caviar on Jul 15, 2010 12:19:10 GMT -5
I'm hoping for a Jonathon Peters mix again. As someone else said, their remix for "Hurt" was simply epic.
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Post by moranfan on Jul 15, 2010 13:24:54 GMT -5
Hurt was just such a weird dark song lyrically. It never made me wanna dance
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Post by esoteric76 on Jul 15, 2010 14:03:42 GMT -5
Hurt was just such a weird dark song lyrically. It never made me wanna dance I agree with this, (so thanks for not making me feel alone). HOWEVER, I will say, that as a "listening experience" the entire package of remixes was pretty much flawless, and I couldn't pick one that I liked the best, because they were ALL so great. (I felt the same way with Alanis "Not As We" being remixed) You Lost Me should really bring some diverse re-imaginings with the pairing of Christina's new vocals and some top notch remixers! |
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Post by TechnoKelvin on Jul 15, 2010 15:23:29 GMT -5
I'm hoping for Alex Guadino & Jason Rooney, they do great remixes.
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Post by 7pm on Jul 15, 2010 22:34:30 GMT -5
Heard some of Hex Hector's remix on YouTube today and I really like it!
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Post by moranfan on Jul 15, 2010 23:17:56 GMT -5
If it's really hex, I wonder if it's with mac or dezrok....
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Post by frank on Jul 15, 2010 23:35:15 GMT -5
Heard some of Hex Hector's remix on YouTube today and I really like it! It's alright. It sounds like he used the original vocal and manipulated it to 4/4 (the 2nd chorus in the original is used as the first chorus in this mix). Hm. ??? |
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Post by 🅳🅸🆂🅲🅾 on Jul 16, 2010 1:13:10 GMT -5
When I stretched it, the vocals sounded a lot like that and I had positioned them in that manner. But they didn't have a smoothness to them. Like it was all abrupt and stuff. They didn't sound that bad though. I'm disappointed by that preview.
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Post by djmattbailer on Jul 16, 2010 1:58:41 GMT -5
For what I can only hope could happen here, the best example is Taylor Dayne "Naked Without You". The original song was a 3/4 ballad, but then she resang the vocals for what I still think is the single most epic remix Thunderpuss ever created.
Hopefully something along similarly transformative lines is in the works for this song....
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Post by TroublemakerOlly on Jul 16, 2010 13:10:26 GMT -5
Hex Hector-Mac Quayle Remix has been delivered with its instrumental, it only lasts 3:37, guess it's the radio edit. She resung her vocal for last minute of the song.
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Post by El Chiko Kevo on Jul 16, 2010 13:39:41 GMT -5
I need better quality.. sounds like ass right now
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Post by moranfan on Jul 16, 2010 14:03:49 GMT -5
Hosh said the extended mix is being worked on still. I can't wait to hear the resung vocals
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Post by Mike on Jul 16, 2010 14:24:31 GMT -5
Hex Hector-Mac Quayle Remix has been delivered with its instrumental, it only lasts 3:37, guess it's the radio edit. She resung her vocal for last minute of the song. How do they sound? Anything particularly new or impressive? |
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Post by esoteric76 on Jul 16, 2010 14:29:21 GMT -5
For what I can only hope could happen here, the best example is Taylor Dayne "Naked Without You". The original song was a 3/4 ballad, .... Ahh yes, thanks Matt, for pointing out another great example. Christina's certainly got the chops to make this song dancefloor-drama at its best. Let's hope she pulls out all the stops. |
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