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Post by jebsib on Jul 24, 2010 20:46:00 GMT -5
I don't know about the rest of you, but Shakira's Waka song being considered the #3 song in the US feels a little off Most articles used that song as an example of how different this chart was. It received zero airplay in the US, but it did make a big impact on the net due to the world cup. It also sold well on iTunes, that lead to it charting high. It got to # 23 on Hot Digital Songs. It got zero airplay. And its number 3 on this new chart. Okay....
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Post by Wolfy on Jul 24, 2010 21:13:13 GMT -5
Most articles used that song as an example of how different this chart was. It received zero airplay in the US, but it did make a big impact on the net due to the world cup. It also sold well on iTunes, that lead to it charting high. It got to # 23 on Hot Digital Songs. It got zero airplay. And its number 3 on this new chart. Okay.... Do you know what Waka Waka is? It was never a single. It didn't have a radio add date. It was the official song of the world cup. People could play it they wanted to, but it was never an official single. It reached high in the parts of the world where soccer is popular. The promo for this song was the world cup and the world cup performances. It was never a typical single. It charted well in the parts of the world where the world cup received a significant spotlight. Worldwide the song was a big hit. Its currently the second biggest hit of 2010 in Spain.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2010 21:41:06 GMT -5
Worldwide success is not what the Hot 100 measures so therefore this can not be a chart that would logically replace it. I think being a Shakira fan the only reason youre even suggesting that is because that Shakira song is doing so well on this chart.
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Post by Wolfy on Jul 25, 2010 2:01:26 GMT -5
Worldwide success is not what the Hot 100 measures so therefore this can not be a chart that would logically replace it. I think being a Shakira fan the only reason youre even suggesting that is because that Shakira song is doing so well on this chart. Its likely more difficult to get on that chart, since you need to have internet hype all over the place. Waka Waka is on there due to the world cup hype, but who knows how a future Shakira song would chart on there. It will not be easy to get that much hype online over a regular song that's not affiliated with such a big event. That's not why I like this chart, I like it because it keeps track of where people listen to music nowadays. Radio + itunes is starting to seem inaccurate when gauging popularity of music. Even mp3's are not as popular now, people are mostly listening to online radio stations.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2010 9:05:10 GMT -5
It got to # 23 on Hot Digital Songs. It got zero airplay. And its number 3 on this new chart. Okay.... Do you know what Waka Waka is? It was never a single. It didn't have a radio add date. It was the official song of the world cup. People could play it they wanted to, but it was never an official single. It reached high in the parts of the world where soccer is popular. The promo for this song was the world cup and the world cup performances. It was never a typical single. It charted well in the parts of the world where the world cup received a significant spotlight. Worldwide the song was a big hit. Its currently the second biggest hit of 2010 in Spain. This new chart can be a worldwide chart then, not an American one. The Hot 100 will remain the exclusively American chart, like it has been for the last 52 years.
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Post by jebsib on Jul 25, 2010 12:05:13 GMT -5
Yes I know what Waka Waka is. It is a song that, if popular enough among US consumers, could have topped the Hot 100 with sales of 100s of thousands. It didn't. It barely scratched the top 40. It doesn't matter if it has a radio add date or not. Glad its doing well in Spain.
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Post by CookyMonzta on Jul 25, 2010 22:53:42 GMT -5
Most articles used that song as an example of how different this chart was. It received zero airplay in the US, but it did make a big impact on the net due to the world cup. It also sold well on iTunes, that lead to it charting high. It got to # 23 on Hot Digital Songs. It got zero airplay. And its number 3 on this new chart. Okay.... Why not? Airplay has been and still is easily manipulated by the radio stations. The U.K. understand this perfectly, which is why their charts do not consider radio airplay. It has been the case in the past that some songs have gone gold with virtually no airplay whatsoever.
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Post by Wolfy on Jul 26, 2010 5:18:48 GMT -5
Yes I know what Waka Waka is. It is a song that, if popular enough among US consumers, could have topped the Hot 100 with sales of 100s of thousands. It didn't. It barely scratched the top 40. It doesn't matter if it has a radio add date or not. Glad its doing well in Spain. Isn't that chat a worldwide chart? I'm not sure. Its still new. I'm sure they can easily alter it to come up with charts for any country. They can also quickly catch spamming of a video, since we are dealing with IP's.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Jul 26, 2010 6:54:25 GMT -5
It got to # 23 on Hot Digital Songs. It got zero airplay. And its number 3 on this new chart. Okay.... Why not? Airplay has been and still is easily manipulated by the radio stations. The U.K. understand this perfectly, which is why their charts do not consider radio airplay. It has been the case in the past that some songs have gone gold with virtually no airplay whatsoever. Radio stations have no hunt in the game other than to obtain as many listeners as possible so advertisers will pay more to advertise with their station.
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Post by jebsib on Jul 26, 2010 7:02:53 GMT -5
I still say you need the check & balance of a blended sales / airplay chart.
OK, say airplay is still manipulated to some degree. Are you denying that the top songs are not heard over 100 million times a week? That this doesn't have a profound impact on our culture? That this means less than 100,000 people buying a CD?
The trouble in the UK (and having lived there, I know this) is that when you have gold selling songs that top the chart but NO ONE hears, they seem like phantom hits after about six months and no one remembers them culturally.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2010 19:31:01 GMT -5
The bigger problem in the UK is that some huge hits chart low because people buy the album instead of the single and there is no airplay component and chart peaks dont represent the popularity of that song.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2010 19:38:42 GMT -5
I don't know if I'd call either of those things "problems". If a song is getting big airplay in the UK then it'll chart high in airplay, if it's selling albums the album will chart high. It's not like industry members are standing round scratching their heads.
As for songs hitting #1 and being forgotten six months later, that's the nature of music and the charts. Who's to say a song that hits #1 in airplay won't be forgotten. There have been plenty of forgotten airplay hits over the years too.
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Post by Glove Slap on Jul 26, 2010 19:44:57 GMT -5
Yeah, who the hell remembers Bleeding Love? I sure don't .
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2010 19:49:03 GMT -5
Yeah, who the hell remembers Bleeding Love? I sure don't . That was a sales #1 too. Seriously, speaking as someone who's lived in the UK all my life, there have been plenty of times when the #1 hit on the sales chart has "felt" like a much bigger hit than the airplay #1. And a song being forgotten down the line doesn't mean it wasn't a deserved hit anyway.
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Post by David on Jul 26, 2010 20:15:32 GMT -5
Yeah, if only songs that were remembered 10 years later were #1's, there would be a lot less #1's.
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Post by jebsib on Jul 26, 2010 20:26:28 GMT -5
The tendency is that a zero-airplay big seller will be forgotten sooner than an airplay smash with little sales. The 1990s proved that, at least in the US.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2010 20:31:28 GMT -5
Who's to say what's been forgotten though? Because nobody can say with authority what's been forgotten and what hasn't, it's impossible to come to any sort of conclusion.
Although I would have thought common sense dictates that big sellers are remembered more because of all the people who, ya know, bought them, whereas big airplay hits are forgotten as soon as they stop being played.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2010 20:33:39 GMT -5
Crack a Bottle is already forgotten
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Post by Wolfy on Jul 26, 2010 21:07:21 GMT -5
The tendency is that a zero-airplay big seller will be forgotten sooner than an airplay smash with little sales. The 1990s proved that, at least in the US. That's the point of this chart. Airplay is not everything. Nowadays, due to all those internet sites that people use to listen to music, there can be songs that are huge hits without radio airplay. In the 1990's the internet hadn't taken over the way it is now. Nowadays, people listen to music online more than on the radio. And its only going to get worse for radio. Ask any teen where they listen to music, most will likely say some type of internet site (myspace, last.fm, internet radio stations, youtube, etc). Radio is now seen as an archaic device (by teens). Waka is another example, it didn't have radio airplay, but it had the world cup. The world cup performances where watched by billions of people. The song was often used during World Cup news. It didn't need radio because it had the world cup to promote it. Online it was a major hit. The Waka Waka video has 124,206,749 views on youtube.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Jul 27, 2010 7:53:39 GMT -5
The tendency is that a zero-airplay big seller will be forgotten sooner than an airplay smash with little sales. The 1990s proved that, at least in the US. That's the point of this chart. Airplay is not everything. Nowadays, due to all those internet sites that people use to listen to music, there can be songs that are huge hits without radio airplay. In the 1990's the internet hadn't taken over the way it is now. Nowadays, people listen to music online more than on the radio. And its only going to get worse for radio. Ask any teen where they listen to music, most will likely say some type of internet site (myspace, last.fm, internet radio stations, youtube, etc). Radio is now seen as an archaic device (by teens). Waka is another example, it didn't have radio airplay, but it had the world cup. The world cup performances where watched by billions of people. The song was often used during World Cup news. It didn't need radio because it had the world cup to promote it. Online it was a major hit. The Waka Waka video has 124,206,749 views on youtube. The problem is that most of those views came from outside the US and these views didn't translate in to sales of the song or airplay here in the US. Additionally, if you spread out the US youtube views over a number of weeks.... and you have a song that wasn't anything major in the US. Let's face it this chart includes too broad and WW to be a US based chart. It really doesn't even begin to challenge the Billboard charts or the HOT 100 at all in terms of accuracy.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Jul 27, 2010 7:58:39 GMT -5
I still say you need the check & balance of a blended sales / airplay chart. OK, say airplay is still manipulated to some degree. Are you denying that the top songs are not heard over 100 million times a week? That this doesn't have a profound impact on our culture? That this means less than 100,000 people buying a CD? The trouble in the UK (and having lived there, I know this) is that when you have gold selling songs that top the chart but NO ONE hears, they seem like phantom hits after about six months and no one remembers them culturally. Again not true. Radio airplay is only manipulated to get as many listeners as possible to said station. Radio makes their money from advertisements. Therefore more listeners means more advertising dollars. Your post assumes the manipulation of the airplay isn't inline with getting as many listeners as possible.
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Post by CookyMonzta on Jul 28, 2010 0:33:48 GMT -5
I still say you need the check & balance of a blended sales / airplay chart. OK, say airplay is still manipulated to some degree. Are you denying that the top songs are not heard over 100 million times a week? That this doesn't have a profound impact on our culture? That this means less than 100,000 people buying a CD? The trouble in the UK (and having lived there, I know this) is that when you have gold selling songs that top the chart but NO ONE hears, they seem like phantom hits after about six months and no one remembers them culturally. Whatever checks and balances you might be referring to are gone now, and have been for nearly a decade. Twenty-five years ago, the average pop or R&B station used to have as many as 200 songs (maybe even more) on regular rotation, and many of the top songs would be played 5 times in a single 24-hour period, maybe 7 or 8 at most. Today, though, a regular rotation will comprise of perhaps 40 songs, maybe even fewer, and quite a few of these songs will be played 10, 15 or even 20 times in one day! That is not what I call a balance; that is what I call overload! And rampant, to say the least. Adonis is right; airplay is manipulated to get as many advertisers as possible; and for that to happen, a station must draw a lot of listeners. For that to happen, they play, literally to death, songs they think will attract the kind of demographic they think will become longtime listeners. I have to tell you, a lot of songs that hit the top-10 on the Hot 100 and/or R&B charts as recent as 10 years ago would have very little chance of getting played today; likewise, quite a few songs that made it to #1 this year and last year would have had their clocks cleaned out in 2000, if radio airplay had been on the same pace that existed back then.
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Post by slicknickshady on Jul 28, 2010 0:52:52 GMT -5
Crack a Bottle is already forgotten Not by me. ;)
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Post by worldwide on Jul 28, 2010 8:31:06 GMT -5
Yeah, who the hell remembers Bleeding Love? I sure don't . Who doesn't.
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Post by jebsib on Jul 28, 2010 8:41:06 GMT -5
The other thing thing is that recurrents weren't played so frequently. When I came up in the 80s, it was very rare that even the biggest hits of the year were played much after four months; There were just so many current songs competing. That all changed when research, focus groups & consolidation changed the fabric of radio in the mid 1990s.
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Post by CookyMonzta on Jul 29, 2010 10:52:16 GMT -5
The other thing thing is that recurrents weren't played so frequently. When I came up in the 80s, it was very rare that even the biggest hits of the year were played much after four months; There were just so many current songs competing. That all changed when research, focus groups & consolidation changed the fabric of radio in the mid 1990s... ...To music's detriment, and quite probably its demise as we know it. As I said before, so many good songs that would have gotten airplay, 10 or 20 years ago, are virtually ignored today. The rapid decline in sales is the result of mainstream radio's overload of a very few tunes; never mind the digital age.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2010 19:04:44 GMT -5
Not sure I like the format of their website
Anyway, for those who are interested, here is the whole list
1 Love The Way You Lie Eminem 2 Waka Waka (This Time For Africa) Shakira 3 California Gurls Katy Perry 4 Dynamite Taio Cruz 5 Baby Justin Bieber 6 Not Afraid Eminem 7 Airplanes B.O.B. 8 I Like It Enrique Iglesias 9 Billionaire Travie McCoy 10 Alejandro Lady Gaga 11 Ridin' Solo Jason Derulo 12 Cooler Than Me ft Big Sean Mike Posner 13 Somebody To Love Justin Bieber 14 Telephone Lady Gaga 15 OMG Usher 16 Bad Romance Lady Gaga 17 Find Your Love Drake 18 Gettin' Over You David Guetta 19 Never Say Never Justin Bieber 20 Impossible Shontelle 21 Bulletproof La Roux 22 Your Love Is My Drug Kesha 23 My First Kiss 3OH!3 24 Break Your Heart Taio Cruz 25 One Time Justin Bieber 26 Can't Be Tamed Miley Cyrus 27 TiK ToK Kesha 28 All I Do Is Win f/T-Pain DJ Khaled 29 Rude Boy Rihanna 30 Hey, Soul Sister Train 31 Rock That Body Black Eyed Peas 32 Party In The USA Miley Cyrus 33 Poker Face Lady Gaga 34 I Gotta Feeling Black Eyed Peas 35 Round & Round Selena Gomez & The Scene 36 Misery Maroon 5 37 The Only Exception Paramore 38 Just Dance Lady Gaga 39 Need You Now Lady Antebellum 40 Cuando Me Enamoro Enrique Iglesias 41 Nothin On You ft. Bruno Mars B.O.B. 42 Pray For You Jaron and The Long Road to Love 43 Eenie Meenie Justin Bieber 44 Over Drake 45 Young Forever ft/ Mr. Hudson Jay-Z 46 Jar of Hearts Christina Perri 47 Undo It Carrie Underwood 48 Empire State Of Mind Jay-Z 49 Your Love Nicki Minaj 50 Hello Good Morning Dirty Money 51 If We Ever Meet Again Timbaland 52 Naturally Selena Gomez & The Scene 53 This Afternoon Nickelback 54 Ride Ciara 55 Lover, Lover Jerrod Niemann 56 My Chick Bad Ludacris 57 Secrets OneRepublic 58 DJ Got Us Fallin' In Love Usher 59 One Less Lonely Girl Justin Bieber 60 Pretty Boy Swag Soulja Boy 61 Fireflies Owl City 62 Deuces Chris Brown 63 In My Head Jason Derulo 64 Down f/Lil Wayne Jay Sean 65 Replay Iyaz 66 Whataya Want From Me Adam Lambert 67 Whatcha Say Jason Derulo 68 Un-thinkable (I'm Ready) Alicia Keys 69 The Climb Miley Cyrus 70 Animal Neon Trees 71 Paparazzi Lady Gaga 72 Haven't Met You Yet Michael Buble 73 Free Zac Brown Band 74 Imma Be Black Eyed Peas 75 Pyramid Charice 76 Love Story Taylor Swift 77 Drop The World f/Eminem Lil Wayne 78 No Love Eminem 79 Hot N Cold Katy Perry 80 The House That Built Me Miranda Lambert 81 I Never Told You Colbie Caillat 82 King Of Anything Sara Bareilles 83 Teach Me How To Dougie Cali Swag District 84 Stereo Love Edward Maya & Vika Jigulina 85 Solo Iyaz 86 Magic B.O.B. 87 Blah Blah Blah Kesha 88 Smile Uncle Kracker 89 Carry Out Timbaland 90 If It's Love Train 91 Meet Me Halfway Black Eyed Peas 92 There Goes My Baby Usher 93 When I Look At You Miley Cyrus 94 Beautiful Monster Ne-Yo 95 Uprising Muse 96 Sexy Bitch David Guetta 97 Already Taken Trey Songz 98 Love Like Crazy Lee Brice 99 Half Of My Heart John Mayer 100 Lovegame Lady Gaga
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2010 22:08:46 GMT -5
Waka Waka is now #2? This is definitely not an American chart.
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Post by Wolfy on Jul 30, 2010 17:04:29 GMT -5
Waka Waka is now #2? This is definitely not an American chart. BTW, Waka is #1 on this weeks billboard European chart: www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/content_display/industry/e3i87635330f49d1b3182a92d146c71b1acAs Eminem’s “Recovery” (Interscope/Universal) starts a fourth aggregate week atop Billboard’s European Albums chart, Hot 100 Singles has a new No. 1 in the shape of Shakira’s official song of the recent FIFA World Cup, “Waka Waka (This Time For Africa)” (Epic/Sony Music Entertainment), featuring Freshlyground.
Shakira’s single reaches its goal, rising 4-1 in its 11th week, after adding a No.1 debut in France to continuing runs at the summit in Germany, Italy, Spain, Switzerland, Austria and Wallony. It’s also up 3-2 in Holland, 6-5 in Sweden and 12-10 in Ireland, but down 1-2 in Flanders.
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Post by Wolfy on Jul 30, 2010 17:12:40 GMT -5
The problem is that most of those views came from outside the US and these views didn't translate in to sales of the song or airplay here in the US. Additionally, if you spread out the US youtube views over a number of weeks.... and you have a song that wasn't anything major in the US. Let's face it this chart includes too broad and WW to be a US based chart. It really doesn't even begin to challenge the Billboard charts or the HOT 100 at all in terms of accuracy. YouTube views would be the equivalent to comparing the spins of a song on one radio stations. "Radio" would be all the internet websites that stream music, not just one. Right now on youtube its up to: YouTube 126,925,570 15,017,687 Esto ------------------- 141,943,257 TOTAL Soccer is not popular here (the US). For the little hype the world cup got in the US, its US iTunes stats here where good.
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