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Post by speeddial on Aug 26, 2010 11:09:18 GMT -5
Lets not get too greedy...Fantasia had no career really after her first album...she kinda went MIA even though there were 2 albums wern't there after that...The fact that shes opening with 100+ is a huge thing...take what we can get :) It is nice to see her come back even tho I can't stand her No. Fantasia's last album opened with 133,000 in December 2006 and went gold. Gold may not be great, but it's not 'no career' for an R&B artist. This is Fantasia's 3rd album. First album is platinum and second album is gold.
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Post by badrobot on Aug 26, 2010 11:17:09 GMT -5
I think we are seeing the same thing we saw with BEP -- a lot of success with singles not translating into a big album first week, but potentially a strong long-term seller. BEP was initially predicted to open lower and took some heat for it because they were in the same place as Katy with some strong single hits but they ended up selling a little over 300k their opening week. Maybe her sales will build and be adjusted over the week the way BEP's were, otherwise I don't find them that similiar. These numbers look more like Rihanna's opening figures. Strong singles do drive sales for most people so I agree it'll probably keep selling. Long term she should sale at least platinum with the expected hits. Before BEP went on sale, people were thinking 500k+. The initial one-day estimates *once it went on sale* were a bit lower than they actually ended up selling, but overall their opening week was lower than what a lot of people thought, and many were claiming it was a disappointment. But in the long run the album has sold quite well. And as someone else pointed out, we are in a constantly declining sales environment. Katy is not doing as well as BEP singles-wise (no one has done as well since Usher's Confessions really) -- they had a ridiculous 26-week run at #1 with 2 singles, while Katy has had a very strong run with singles but not nearly record-breaking. A so-so opening with strong legs would proportionately make this extremely similar to how BEP performed. But, obviously we won't know its legs for awhile. The Ke$ha comparison (sales-wise) may be pretty good too, we'll see.
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Aug 26, 2010 11:21:41 GMT -5
Katy Perry's numbers are shameful. With two huge hits, she should have been able to scan at least 350. I guess it's true that you don't mess with the GaGa. Dumb Perry didn't realize that a good % of her target audience, the GaGa stans, now that GaGa is closing her era, would have gladly take a look at Perry's music.... but dumb ho only alienated them.... Yeah Katy Perry was stupid for even commenting on GaGa. Half of those GaGa fans would be owning Katy Perry's album right now and legally. I don't even know why she even tried to throw shade at Gaga to begin with when she's just as gimmicky as Gaga. Atleast, Gaga does it bigger and better and can actually sign.
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Post by lugus15 on Aug 26, 2010 11:26:28 GMT -5
I think the comparison to The END is ridiculous.
I know that BEP it's not everyone's cup of tea, but no one can deny that this album of theirs has had a huge impact on culture.
Plus, what really sold the album into almost 3xP is basically the party anthem that was IGF.... one of the most succesful party anthems since.... Macarena perhaps???
I don't see this Perry album having an IGF or a MMH, IB or RYB.
It will do what Rihanna's and Kesha's albums did, struggle to go Platinum, stay in the charts for a whole year or more, and when all is said and done, probably do 1.1-3m scanned or 1.7 tops.
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Post by tsw2008 on Aug 26, 2010 11:26:31 GMT -5
Imo, Katy is a much bigger gimmick than GaGa. GaGa actually has substance.
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Post by badrobot on Aug 26, 2010 11:48:20 GMT -5
I think the comparison to The END is ridiculous. I know that BEP it's not everyone's cup of tea, but no one can deny that this album of theirs has had a huge impact on culture. Plus, what really sold the album into almost 3xP is basically the party anthem that was IGF.... one of the most succesful party anthems since.... Macarena perhaps??? I don't see this Perry album having an IGF or a MMH, IB or RYB. It will do what Rihanna's and Kesha's albums did, struggle to go Platinum, stay in the charts for a whole year or more, and when all is said and done, probably do 1.1-3m scanned or 1.7 tops. Okay, you are completely missing the point. No one is saying Katy Perry's album is going to have the same impact as The END did. We're talking about relative sales levels here. What we're saying is BEP's album had a so-so opening week compared to the big singles success, but sold well consistently, and that Katy might also sell well consistently after a so-so opening week. If album A has two giant hits and opens with 350k and then does about 2.6m total, while album B has two fairly big hits and opens with 175k and then does about 1.3m total, they are proportionately following extremly similar trajectories just on a different scale. Not that complicated! It's math!
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Post by Jack on Aug 26, 2010 11:49:36 GMT -5
Lets not get too greedy...Fantasia had no career really after her first album...she kinda went MIA even though there were 2 albums wern't there after that...The fact that shes opening with 100+ is a huge thing...take what we can get :) It is nice to see her come back even tho I can't stand her No. Fantasia's last album opened with 133,000 in December 2006 and went gold. Gold may not be great, but it's not 'no career' for an R&B artist. This is Fantasia's 3rd album. First album is platinum and second album is gold. Don't forget that teensy little R&B hit When I See U.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2010 12:01:51 GMT -5
Jeeze, Fans/Stans take things to heart. Katy didn't throw "shade" at GaGa she just said she doesn't need to use the lord to sell, she also said she hated it when her husband to be did the same thing. I guess she's throwing shade at her future baby's father too?
Anyways this is about the number pretty much everyone was expecting for her, so I don't think it's a huge surprise. Again Rihanna, Pink, ect all open to these kind of numbers even with huge hits, so nobody should be shocked! I predict she will debut below 200k but hopefully the album will have legs like OOTB.
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Post by kylecburke on Aug 26, 2010 12:09:49 GMT -5
Lets not get too greedy...Fantasia had no career really after her first album...she kinda went MIA even though there were 2 albums wern't there after that...The fact that shes opening with 100+ is a huge thing...take what we can get :) It is nice to see her come back even tho I can't stand her No. Fantasia's last album opened with 133,000 in December 2006 and went gold. Gold may not be great, but it's not 'no career' for an R&B artist. This is Fantasia's 3rd album. First album is platinum and second album is gold. wow..her 2nd album did that well....I follow music of all genres and didn't even remember a single...huh? interesting..good for her
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Post by seanblain on Aug 26, 2010 12:11:50 GMT -5
I can't at some of y'all saying Fantasia faked a suicide, it's just disturbing. She's an attention w-h-o-r-e who got what she deserved. She had an album and needed the attention
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Post by kylecburke on Aug 26, 2010 12:12:26 GMT -5
I think the comparison to The END is ridiculous. I know that BEP it's not everyone's cup of tea, but no one can deny that this album of theirs has had a huge impact on culture. Plus, what really sold the album into almost 3xP is basically the party anthem that was IGF.... one of the most succesful party anthems since.... Macarena perhaps??? I don't see this Perry album having an IGF or a MMH, IB or RYB. It will do what Rihanna's and Kesha's albums did, struggle to go Platinum, stay in the charts for a whole year or more, and when all is said and done, probably do 1.1-3m scanned or 1.7 tops. I suppose your right about the END..however BBP was released and was really strong when the album came out...and Katy has had a huge hit already...not to mention collabs since her first album with 3OH3 and Timb. and her last album had huge hits IKAG and HAC...However BEP have a larger audiance so I suppose it is stupid to compare the two...
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Post by kylecburke on Aug 26, 2010 12:14:47 GMT -5
Imo, Katy is a much bigger gimmick than GaGa. GaGa actually has substance. ....really?...Gaga defines Gimmick lol...and hey it works for her so Good on her....basically when I think of a gimmick artist...My body screams Lady Gaga ha ha..altho maybe gimmick means something different to you then to me :)
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Post by pnobelysk on Aug 26, 2010 12:16:08 GMT -5
Katy's album will have legs, unlike Fantasia's, as long as the hits keep cranking out. Her last album opened only with 47K but the hits kept coming and it ended up selling over 1.2m Fantasia's album is being very well-received by the R&B community, so why do you think it won't have legs? Typical idol decline. The only time an idol contestants follow up album has sold more than the precedding one was Breakaway and All i ever wanted. It just doesnt happen often with idol contestants. And for the Katy discussion the person who said 1.3 million when all is said and done i think is really under estimating. They said 1.7 million tops while i think that is what it will hit and have like 2.3 million tops
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Post by speeddial on Aug 26, 2010 12:35:38 GMT -5
No. Fantasia's last album opened with 133,000 in December 2006 and went gold. Gold may not be great, but it's not 'no career' for an R&B artist. This is Fantasia's 3rd album. First album is platinum and second album is gold. wow..her 2nd album did that well....I follow music of all genres and didn't even remember a single...huh? interesting..good for her Fantasia's 2nd album featured "WHEN I SEE YOU", which was a major R&B hit. It was #1 on the R&B chart for 7 weeks and ended as the #14 R&B song of the last decade (2000 - 2009). People insult Fantasia's career, but she has been a steady seller and has had a very durable career, especially in a fickle industry. She may not be a pop star, but she has a very solid R&B fanbase.
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Post by lolhey on Aug 26, 2010 12:50:58 GMT -5
Get it Tasia.
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Post by Jack on Aug 26, 2010 13:15:05 GMT -5
I can't at some of y'all saying Fantasia faked a suicide, it's just disturbing. She's an attention w-h-o-r-e who got what she deserved. I find this offensive. Where dat report button?
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Post by Honeymoon on Aug 26, 2010 13:49:22 GMT -5
Lets not get too greedy...Fantasia had no career really after her first album...she kinda went MIA even though there were 2 albums wern't there after that...The fact that shes opening with 100+ is a huge thing...take what we can get :) It is nice to see her come back even tho I can't stand her No. Fantasia's last album opened with 133,000 in December 2006 and went gold. Gold may not be great, but it's not 'no career' for an R&B artist. This is Fantasia's 3rd album. First album is platinum and second album is gold. Her first album did nearly two million and the second did over 500k. While 500k is not a smash hit, for an almost exclusively R&B act 500k+ is a very respectable number.
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Post by Honeymoon on Aug 26, 2010 13:54:31 GMT -5
I think the comparison to The END is ridiculous. I know that BEP it's not everyone's cup of tea, but no one can deny that this album of theirs has had a huge impact on culture. Plus, what really sold the album into almost 3xP is basically the party anthem that was IGF.... one of the most succesful party anthems since.... Macarena perhaps??? I don't see this Perry album having an IGF or a MMH, IB or RYB. It will do what Rihanna's and Kesha's albums did, struggle to go Platinum, stay in the charts for a whole year or more, and when all is said and done, probably do 1.1-3m scanned or 1.7 tops. Okay, you are completely missing the point. No one is saying Katy Perry's album is going to have the same impact as The END did. We're talking about relative sales levels here. What we're saying is BEP's album had a so-so opening week compared to the big singles success, but sold well consistently, and that Katy might also sell well consistently after a so-so opening week. If album A has two giant hits and opens with 350k and then does about 2.6m total, while album B has two fairly big hits and opens with 175k and then does about 1.3m total, they are proportionately following extremly similar trajectories just on a different scale. Not that complicated! It's math! Katy will have a nice X-mas season impact though. Ke$ha's album will have been nearly a year old and on its fifth single (if it gets one, that is) when those big sales roll around. Katy will be on single #3, and assuming that will be as big as the first two then I think by the time this is all said and done she will be at over 2 million.
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Post by pnobelysk on Aug 26, 2010 14:01:27 GMT -5
i think its really cool that fantasias album will outpeak her last album by about 17 postitions. and even her first album by 6 postitions
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Post by uglyboy on Aug 26, 2010 14:26:47 GMT -5
Yeah Katy Perry was stupid for even commenting on GaGa. Half of those GaGa fans would be owning Katy Perry's album right now and legally. I don't even know why she even tried to throw shade at Gaga to begin with when she's just as gimmicky as Gaga. Atleast, Gaga does it bigger and better and can actually sign. She didn't said anything about Gaga. The comparaison is stupid
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2010 15:34:47 GMT -5
People always talk like Fantasia hasnt done anything since she won idol. The music industry goes beyond pop radio. Fantasia has had a few of the biggest R&B hits of the past several years. She has been one of the most consistent idol contestants
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Post by street on Aug 26, 2010 15:41:22 GMT -5
People here really think that Katy Perry's album will go double platinum. I find that very hard to believe. She already has two big singles off the album and is opening with "only" 200K. I'm not sure what keeps this album going for the next six months.
I agree that it will struggle to go platinum but probably make it by the time the 5th single is out.
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Post by Jack on Aug 26, 2010 16:03:53 GMT -5
People always talk like Fantasia hasnt done anything since she won idol. The music industry goes beyond pop radio. Fantasia has had a few of the biggest R&B hits of the past several years. She has been one of the most consistent idol contestants Right. It's like she hasn't sold 2 and half million albums domestically in the space of three years (04-07), or had three huge R&B hit singles, or had a book, or a movie, or 8 Grammy nominations or a huge Broadway production. There are other versions of success outside of VMA awards and Hot 100 number ones (although hell, she got one of those too).
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Post by d.t.m on Aug 26, 2010 16:17:46 GMT -5
I agree about Fantasia. She's done very well in the R&B world which is her bread and butter.
I also agree about 2xp being out of Katy's reach. She'll likely exceed her last album's sales, but double platinum is going overboard considering she's struggling to hit a 10th of that with 2 smashes. Imagine what she would have opened with with just a top 10 hit.
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Post by Honeymoon on Aug 26, 2010 16:32:22 GMT -5
People here really think that Katy Perry's album will go double platinum. I find that very hard to believe. She already has two big singles off the album and is opening with "only" 200K. I'm not sure what keeps this album going for the next six months. I agree that it will struggle to go platinum but probably make it by the time the 5th single is out. You say "with two smashes" those singles are still charting very high, one hasn't even peaked yet. She will have stable sales, believe me.
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Post by livelikedying111 on Aug 26, 2010 16:41:26 GMT -5
Isn't that low for Usher? I was thinking he'd be selling way more... when Gaga did this with the Fame Monster, her sales were big, weren't they??
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Post by pnobelysk on Aug 26, 2010 16:57:21 GMT -5
^gaga was more popular of the time (bad romance smashing) and holiday sales.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Aug 26, 2010 17:07:10 GMT -5
What's wrong with 1.5 million anyways? I can list plenty of flop divas who can't even hit that.
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Post by stanr on Aug 26, 2010 17:07:47 GMT -5
i think katy won't reach 2xp, she will be around 1.5m - 1.8m. those numbers are pretty good these days for an album that "only" sold 200k in its first week..
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Post by Choco on Aug 26, 2010 17:16:17 GMT -5
Shouldn't we wait? GaGa's album debuted outside the top 15 and sold 3m so far. Britney's Circus debuted with 500k and never made it to 2xPlatinum, so it could go either way for Katy.
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