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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2010 12:17:09 GMT -5
^ In the US? Sure! Album artists: Jack Johnson, Amy Winehouse, John Mayer, Mariah Carey,...
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Post by David on Sept 3, 2010 12:18:54 GMT -5
A singles artist is someone like Flo Rida. He hasn't even passed 1 mill album sales in the US even when you combine all of his albums.
Rihanna used to be a singles artist. People throw this term around too much.
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Post by nighttime on Sept 3, 2010 12:23:50 GMT -5
^ In the US? Sure! Album artists: Jack Johnson, Amy Winehouse, John Mayer, Mariah Carey,... Alright, that makes sense to me. :) Although I don't feel many others feel the same lol.
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Post by lugus15 on Sept 3, 2010 12:41:25 GMT -5
I don't know why people keep insisting that Rihanna is just a singles artist.
I'm no big fan of hers, but credit were credit is due. She has sold a respectable amount of albums to be demoted to a ¨singles¨ artist category.
Her combined total album sales stand at around 5.5m, and that's around what Gwen Stefani, Fergie, etc. did.
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Post by David on Sept 3, 2010 13:09:24 GMT -5
IMO, there are singles artists (people who can't move albums, but sell a ton of singles), album artists (people who can't move singles, but sell albums) and people who fall in between both categories (those who sell a lot of singles, and still manage to sell albums moderately well)
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Post by lugus15 on Sept 3, 2010 13:47:01 GMT -5
IMO, there are singles artists (people who can't move albums, but sell a ton of singles), album artists (people who can't move singles, but sell albums) and people who fall in between both categories (those who sell a lot of singles, and still manage to sell albums moderately well) In just the past 10-12 months, there are in the categories you listed: a. Can't move album but sell singles: Taio Cruz, Derulo, Jay Sean, etc. b. Can't move singles but sell albums: Alicia Keys, Bublé, Boyle, etc. c. Sell singles and moderately albums: Kesha, Owl City, RIHANNA, Perry, etc. e. Sell singles and albums: GaGa, Eminem, Antebellum, etc. f. Can't sell singles AND albums (ie a huge flop): Godtina Aguilegend
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Post by David on Sept 3, 2010 13:51:48 GMT -5
^basically... lol
I mean, there's just more than "album artists" and "singles artists". Flo Rida & Taio Crus are the perfect definition of singles artists. People don't talk about their image, buy their albums, or care about anything else other than the hits they churn out. Rihanna, even if she sells more singles than albums, has buzz, hype, talk, an image.. people actually care about more than just her singles, which IMO, doesn't make her a singles artist. She used to be a singles artist, but that changed during the GGGB era.
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Post by tsw2008 on Sept 3, 2010 13:53:44 GMT -5
LMAO, your categories and people included in them are spot on lol
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Post by lugus15 on Sept 3, 2010 14:00:33 GMT -5
Of course I could include Train in the first category, but I think their album will eventually reach between 700-900k in time.
So it's more like catogory C.
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Post by Caviar on Sept 3, 2010 15:16:59 GMT -5
The Aguilera shade is unnecessary.
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Post by grandelf on Sept 3, 2010 16:45:30 GMT -5
^ In the US? Sure! Album artists: Jack Johnson, Amy Winehouse, John Mayer, Mariah Carey,... Jack Johnson correct, Amy doesn't have enough releases to justify that. No clue about John Mayer's numbers. As for Mariah, her last two albums sold less than their respective lead-off singles. She only moved one album in big amounts in the past 10 years. And yes, lugus15 summed it up well!
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Sept 3, 2010 17:00:05 GMT -5
Uhm did they really ship 1.3 million cds??? That is CRAZY to me. That meant they expected it to sell like....at least 400-650K. I mean, even with hits I couldn't see her selling 600K. Seems like they had unrealistic expectations if they did really ship that much.
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Post by David on Sept 3, 2010 17:08:24 GMT -5
^What?! Where did you read that they shipped that much? I knew they were overestimating her opening week.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Sept 3, 2010 17:17:38 GMT -5
The article is confusing me-it says it shipped a million+ but then also says "But prerelease shipments of "Teenage Dream" turned out to be about seven times debut-week sales"-Wouldn't that mean about 200*7 which equals more like 1.3-1.4 million. www.billboard.com/news/katy-perry-s-album-sales-spark-new-worries-1004112873.story?tag=hpfeed#/news/katy-perry-s-album-sales-spark-new-worries-1004112873.story?tag=hpfeedEither way, they WAY overestimated her star power. She is still building her stardom and wasn't going to sell 500K+ I do think this album era was set up perfectly though-perfectly calculated smashes, two of the biggest hits of the year, promo and magazine covers that would make any artist jealous, aggressive pricing for her cd, ads thrown up everywhere and special cash register placement for the cd. It was just simply too soon to expect her to be able to sell 500K plus like some more established stars. I think the same thing will happen to Gaga, actually. Like, I think she will sell solid numbers that SHOULD be considered a hit, but she won't sell 500K plus either so a bunch of similar articles will come out saying "She did well, BUT why didn't she sell more..." People need to take it easy. Only certain artists can or ever will pound out those types of first week numbers.
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Post by David on Sept 3, 2010 17:30:08 GMT -5
Its simple.. she's had 1 album. I don't get why anyone record music exec thought she would do more. In this s**tty economy and with music being an a la carte special on digital retailers, people need more than just a couple good songs from an album to get behind it. I don't think her debut created that many die hards. CG & TD combined started to do it, but she still needs more time. If this album is a big success, and she has a huge lead single next time, then big predictions are welcome. However, I can't believe they even thought that. lol
Although, this is pretty impressive...
Put another way, sales of albums and track-equivalent albums (where 10 digital tracks equal an album) for "Teenage Dream" totaled 689,000, according to SoundScan.
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Post by Cerbius on Sept 3, 2010 17:37:44 GMT -5
Wow...I can't believe they shipped so many copies of the album to stores. EMI should've checked the thread in the Polling Booth when deciding on how many copies to ship. Well, at least they don't have to ship any more until next year? lol...
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Post by lugus15 on Sept 3, 2010 17:50:16 GMT -5
The article is confusing me-it says it shipped a million+ but then also says "But prerelease shipments of "Teenage Dream" turned out to be about seven times debut-week sales"-Wouldn't that mean about 200*7 which equals more like 1.3-1.4 million. www.billboard.com/news/katy-perry-s-album-sales-spark-new-worries-1004112873.story?tag=hpfeed#/news/katy-perry-s-album-sales-spark-new-worries-1004112873.story?tag=hpfeedEither way, they WAY overestimated her star power. She is still building her stardom and wasn't going to sell 500K+ I do think this album era was set up perfectly though-perfectly calculated smashes, two of the biggest hits of the year, promo and magazine covers that would make any artist jealous, aggressive pricing for her cd, ads thrown up everywhere and special cash register placement for the cd. It was just simply too soon to expect her to be able to sell 500K plus like some more established stars. I think the same thing will happen to Gaga, actually. Like, I think she will sell solid numbers that SHOULD be considered a hit, but she won't sell 500K plus either so a bunch of similar articles will come out saying "She did well, BUT why didn't she sell more..." People need to take it easy. Only certain artists can or ever will pound out those types of first week numbers. Lol, I think you are underestimating the fandom of the GaGa stans. A good % of them are gays, and they are still one of the few segments that actually purchases music. PS: I include myself in the above statement.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2010 17:58:01 GMT -5
^ In the US? Sure! Album artists: Jack Johnson, Amy Winehouse, John Mayer, Mariah Carey,... Jack Johnson correct, Amy doesn't have enough releases to justify that. No clue about John Mayer's numbers. As for Mariah, her last two albums sold less than their respective lead-off singles. She only moved one album in big amounts in the past 10 years. And yes, lugus15 summed it up well! Not so fast! If we take only her last two studio albums into account, she still manages to sell relatively more albums than singles. MOAIA and E=MC² combined sold more than 1.7m units and the songs sold around 4.5m which is barely twice the amount what the albums sold. 1:2 is way better than 1:5!
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Sept 3, 2010 19:15:19 GMT -5
If we take only her last two studio albums into account, she still manages to sell relatively more albums than singles. Memoirs Of An Imperfect Angel: Album total: 500k "Obsessed": 1.55 million With one single's total alone the ratio is 3:1. She doesn't still manage to sell "relatively more albums than singles". What was true years ago, isn't so much today. I love Mariah, but let's be serious here for a second.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2010 19:36:50 GMT -5
If we take only her last two studio albums into account, she still manages to sell relatively more albums than singles. Memoirs Of An Imperfect Angel: Album total: 500k "Obsessed": 1.55 million With one single's total alone the ratio is 3:1. She doesn't still manage to sell "relatively more albums than singles". What was true years ago, isn't so much today. I love Mariah, but let's be serious here for a second. So one album gives you full disclosure? You're right, let's be serious. It's only fair to state Carey's releases after 2005, because that's when digital sales started kicking in but you can't just pretend like TEOM and E=MC² didn't exist. If her next proper studio album continues the trend MOAIA started, I'm taking everything back. till then: take a seat!
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Sept 3, 2010 20:06:50 GMT -5
So one album gives you full disclosure? You're right, let's be serious. It's only fair to state Carey's releases after 2005, because that's when digital sales started kicking in but you can't just pretend like TEOM and E=MC² didn't exist. If her next proper studio album continues the trend MOAIA started, I'm taking everything back. till then: take a seat! Woah. lol It's not that serious. I was just arguing this statement: ... which is false. If one combined the sales of E=MC2 and Memoirs Of An Imperfect Angel, then combined the digital sales of singles released from both albums the single sales would still outweigh the total sales from both albums. E=MC2 & Memoirs: 1.7 million Singles ("Touch My Body" and "Obsessed" alone): 3 million Now, how does she still sell "relatively more albums than singles"?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2010 20:10:08 GMT -5
I guess the only album artists these days are those who fail to score a top 10 hit but still sell a healthy amount of albums, i.e. Mary J. Blige, Sade, Susan Boyle, Barbra Streisand and of course country acts. Country acts have singles too
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Post by Nadia on Sept 3, 2010 20:53:46 GMT -5
Katy sold 192k with 2 smashes. Rihanna sold 181k with a flop.
Tell me a "singles artist" that sold 8million+ with one album? pretty sure that's more than Beyonce, Britney and Pink's latest albums.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2010 22:41:42 GMT -5
When you compare her album sales to her single sales (her albums sold a fifth of what her singles sold in total), it's clear she's a singles artist in the US. Circus - Britney Digital Sales: 7,700,000 Album Sales: 1,600,000 ~1/5 I Am Sasha Fierce - Beyonce Digital Sales: 12,400,000 Album Sales: 2,700,000 ~1/5 Funhouse - P!nk Digital Sales: 8,700,000 Album Sales: 1,800,000 ~1/5 are they singles artists too? i'm confused. Oh snap! You better slay them with their own facts and put them right to bed, nighttime, boo. Well she's coming off "Good Girl Gone Bad" era. I would hope she can push some type of units with 3 Top 10 hits (two of them being solid) and a black Friday release. Well the Rated R era is clearly not the GGGB era on more than one front. Obviously she isn't going to sell based on the singles from her past album instead of her current one especially when the music is completely different. And her lead single bombed and yes she released her album on Black Friday but with a failed single and crazy competition that week. Katy really had no competition at all this week along with her 2 hits.
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Post by BlueSwan on Sept 4, 2010 0:25:07 GMT -5
The article is confusing me-it says it shipped a million+ but then also says "But prerelease shipments of "Teenage Dream" turned out to be about seven times debut-week sales"-Wouldn't that mean about 200*7 which equals more like 1.3-1.4 million. www.billboard.com/news/katy-perry-s-album-sales-spark-new-worries-1004112873.story?tag=hpfeed#/news/katy-perry-s-album-sales-spark-new-worries-1004112873.story?tag=hpfeedEither way, they WAY overestimated her star power. She is still building her stardom and wasn't going to sell 500K+ I do think this album era was set up perfectly though-perfectly calculated smashes, two of the biggest hits of the year, promo and magazine covers that would make any artist jealous, aggressive pricing for her cd, ads thrown up everywhere and special cash register placement for the cd. It was just simply too soon to expect her to be able to sell 500K plus like some more established stars. I think the same thing will happen to Gaga, actually. Like, I think she will sell solid numbers that SHOULD be considered a hit, but she won't sell 500K plus either so a bunch of similar articles will come out saying "She did well, BUT why didn't she sell more..." People need to take it easy. Only certain artists can or ever will pound out those types of first week numbers. GaGa should sell through the roof. There might be a little backlash but she transcends just about everything at the moment. How many artists with only one album behind them are doing sold out world wide stadium tours?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2010 3:45:44 GMT -5
So one album gives you full disclosure? You're right, let's be serious. It's only fair to state Carey's releases after 2005, because that's when digital sales started kicking in but you can't just pretend like TEOM and E=MC² didn't exist. If her next proper studio album continues the trend MOAIA started, I'm taking everything back. till then: take a seat! Woah. lol It's not that serious. I was just trying to act all Pulse Music bitchy. I thought that's the way it work around here when you're having an argument.^^ I was just arguing this statement: ... which is false. If one combined the sales of E=MC2 and Memoirs Of An Imperfect Angel, then combined the digital sales of singles released from both albums the single sales would still outweigh the total sales from both albums. E=MC2 & Memoirs: 1.7 million Singles ("Touch My Body" and "Obsessed" alone): 3 million Now, how does she still sell "relatively more albums than singles"? Ok, I know where you're coming from. I meant something else with that but obviously failed to express myself because of my poor English skills.
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Post by libri on Sept 4, 2010 10:29:31 GMT -5
I think the article meant that the label shipped a mil copies of physical CD. It also said that TD sold 50k in digital form. 192k - 50k = 142k physical copies sold. 142k X 7 = ~1 mil. But yes, wtf were they thinking LOL. It seems to me that Gaga's meteoric rise has got the industry and the media overexcited and eager for another one. Hell, you could even sense it too in the internet music fan communities. With her supposed "quirkiness", and the lack of competition right now, Katy probably seemed like a good candidate. I think she'll sell like Kesha: 1m - 1.5m, maybe more with re-release. She'll do better than Kesha overseas though.
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