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Post by #LisaRinna on Oct 26, 2010 9:30:07 GMT -5
MESSIAH, dahling (as Mimi would say), I don't need to impress anyone. *accepts a glass of champagne* *doesn't hand glass*
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Junkiex
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Post by Junkiex on Oct 26, 2010 9:46:08 GMT -5
I enjoyed the album but not LOVING it yet. I wish I could pretend for at least an hour that Merry Christmas does not exist. It's too tough not to compare them.
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rodrigo
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Post by rodrigo on Oct 26, 2010 10:27:02 GMT -5
HolidayGuy isn't a hater, people. I am. You better wear that Madge avatar, then. i second that.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Oct 26, 2010 10:29:55 GMT -5
My favorites on Merry Christmas (besides AIWFCIY) are "O Holy Night," ""Jesus Born on This Day" and "Hark the Herald Angels Sing/Gloria in Excelsis Deo"- the latter just sounds flawless, and the backing singers aren't overpowering (and, overbearing) as I find them on a track like "Silent Night" (which would have been better with just Mimi's voice).
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Post by rodrigo on Oct 26, 2010 10:33:32 GMT -5
I enjoyed the album but not LOVING it yet. I wish I could pretend for at least an hour that Merry Christmas does not exist. It's too tough not to compare them. this is not a shot at you, but... am i the only one not comparing to the first one and not seeing the new album as a competitor? i mean, it's not like it's a movie sequel or something. for me, it's just another christmas album. i enjoy the first one for what it is and this one as well. it's not like i expected her to do the same thing and deliver the same vocal prowness. i like what she did with this one and the concept she brought to songs like Christmas Time Is In The Air Again and Charlie Brown Christmas. those kind of christmas songs were missing in the first one.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2010 10:59:40 GMT -5
I didn't get to listen to the full album, but I've heard some snippets, and I just don't think the track listing looks promising. It looks very sloppy. Why do they have to combine songs and stuff? The AIWFCIY remix is not necessary either.
I would have rather her just include "Oh Santa" and maybe 2 other original songs. Then just have 7 classic songs that she never recorded before, like "The Christmas Song (Chestnuts Roasting)" and some others. I like that she included "The First Noel" and "O Come All Ye Faithful", but it doesn't seem like she did them in the style I would have liked.
A 2nd Christmas album from Mariah could have had so much potential, but I don't think this one will do well at all, unfortunately.
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Post by weaver on Oct 26, 2010 11:36:35 GMT -5
I didn't get to listen to the full album, but I've heard some snippets, and I just don't think the track listing looks promising. It looks very sloppy. Why do they have to combine songs and stuff? The AIWFCIY remix is not necessary either. I would have rather her just include "Oh Santa" and maybe 2 other original songs. Then just have 7 classic songs that she never recorded before, like "The Christmas Song (Chestnuts Roasting)" and some others. I like that she included "The First Noel" and "O Come All Ye Faithful", but it doesn't seem like she did them in the style I would have liked. A 2nd Christmas album from Mariah could have had so much potential, but I don't think this one will do well at all, unfortunately. Why don't you listen to the full album before deciding you don't like it?? ??? The first Christmas album had medleys as well. Joy to the World is technically a medley of two songs by that same name, and there is also Hark the Herald Angels mixed with Gloria In Excelsis Deo. that you are basing anything at all on waht the tracklisting looks like. What, are you bothered by long titles??
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SPRΞΞ
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Oct 26, 2010 11:52:57 GMT -5
has it leaked in full apparantly? I want to hear it!!!
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shadrach01
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Post by shadrach01 on Oct 26, 2010 11:56:22 GMT -5
Does MC have any promo lined up for this week or next week?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2010 12:01:52 GMT -5
I didn't get to listen to the full album, but I've heard some snippets, and I just don't think the track listing looks promising. It looks very sloppy. Why do they have to combine songs and stuff? The AIWFCIY remix is not necessary either. I would have rather her just include "Oh Santa" and maybe 2 other original songs. Then just have 7 classic songs that she never recorded before, like "The Christmas Song (Chestnuts Roasting)" and some others. I like that she included "The First Noel" and "O Come All Ye Faithful", but it doesn't seem like she did them in the style I would have liked. A 2nd Christmas album from Mariah could have had so much potential, but I don't think this one will do well at all, unfortunately. Why don't you listen to the full album before deciding you don't like it?? ??? The first Christmas album had medleys as well. Joy to the World is technically a medley of two songs by that same name, and there is also Hark the Herald Angels mixed with Gloria In Excelsis Deo. that you are basing anything at all on waht the tracklisting looks like. What, are you bothered by long titles?? Actually, yes, I am bothered by the long titles. I don't care if it's a long title, but to have to title the song(s) with a forward slash is unnecessary. When people see that, it kind of throws them off. It makes the track listing look sloppy.
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Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815...
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Oct 26, 2010 12:10:39 GMT -5
Why don't you listen to the full album before deciding you don't like it?? ??? The first Christmas album had medleys as well. Joy to the World is technically a medley of two songs by that same name, and there is also Hark the Herald Angels mixed with Gloria In Excelsis Deo. that you are basing anything at all on waht the tracklisting looks like. What, are you bothered by long titles?? Actually, yes, I am bothered by the long titles. I don't care if it's a long title, but to have to title the song(s) with a forward slash is unnecessary. When people see that, it kind of throws them off. It makes the track listing look sloppy. Oh Lordy..
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hidizzyguy
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Post by hidizzyguy on Oct 26, 2010 12:13:31 GMT -5
Okay, finally got a chance to take a listen. I first listened to Merry Christmas before I started listening to II You, just to kinda give myself a basis of comparison. I'll start off with this, and I have always stated this: I truly believe Merry Christmas is Mariah's technically superior body of recorded vocals - out of ALL of her albums. And now the list:
1) While Merry Christmas sounds like music for a Christmas concert at a cathedral, II You is the follow-up album you'd listen to on the drive home afterwards, and then by the fireplace having hot chocolate.
2) The breathy/whisper vocals seem very intentional. The songs are slow, so it's hard for her to get a "fuller" voice, so to speak, on some of these songs. Maybe if she sung at the pace of Candy Bling or Betcha Gon Know, she wouldn't have had to stretch out the notes so much. After three studio albums of really strong vocals, I can see why some are put off by all of a sudden hearing more breathier vocals than we have heard since Charmie.
3) The production on these songs are so strong. You definitely get a super classy, x-masy feel without getting all Jingle Bells up in your face.
4) This is an ADULT-leaning x-mas album.
5) Merry X-mas had songs on it that I would immediately replay just because I was THAT impressed by the vocal delivery. II You has none of that for me. However; the production and the vibe of the songs are strong enough that they do have immediate replay value for me - Ex. When Christmas Comes. That's not to take away from the vocal strength of this album either; it's on par, if not better, than some of the strongetst stuff we've heard since TEOM.
Mariah just knows how to construct a damn good song and these X-Mas songs are no exception. You can tell she wasn't lazy at all with this project. The inclusion of the two tracks from Merry Christmas was a smart idea. You really do get a grasp of Mariah's perspective of the holiday times as her sound/style emanates on each track. You get hints of old Mariah, new Mariah, pop Mariah, R&B Mariah, breathy Mariah, 5-Octave Mariah, and some always adorable giggles mixed in. Great body of work that I hope will be able to stand on its own as a great addition to Mariah's catalogue.
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Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815...
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Oct 26, 2010 12:20:40 GMT -5
Nice review, hidizzyguy. Your comment on line 1) made me smile.
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Cautionme11/16
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Post by Cautionme11/16 on Oct 26, 2010 12:22:16 GMT -5
Wowww, I can't wait to hear it!
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MiMi's Slave
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Post by MiMi's Slave on Oct 26, 2010 12:41:08 GMT -5
hey do you guys mind giving me a hand in the Female singer survivor? Mariah is up against Miley...
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Bojangles
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Post by Bojangles on Oct 26, 2010 12:46:54 GMT -5
hey do you guys mind giving me a hand in the Female singer survivor? Mariah is up against Miley... Blasphemy
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Bojangles
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Post by Bojangles on Oct 26, 2010 13:08:23 GMT -5
Did everyone see Mariah WILL NOT be on Chelsea Lately? Rumors rumors rumors. ;)
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Post by Ivy Leegue™ on Oct 26, 2010 13:22:04 GMT -5
Dizzy knows his Mariah inside and out. Very insightful review, man! I can't wait to hear the album in full. The clips sounded nice from what I heard. The breathiness wasn't that bad to me because I have been used to it.
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cjay
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Post by cjay on Oct 26, 2010 13:28:03 GMT -5
Well it's time to play "let's make a first week sell prediction"!!!! I have no idea how she will do the first week, but given than "Oh Santa" barely has any airplay, I'm gonna say 50k. I expect six figures sales starting Thanksgiving week.
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vipanonymous
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Post by vipanonymous on Oct 26, 2010 13:33:24 GMT -5
30 - 35K first week
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Bojangles
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Post by Bojangles on Oct 26, 2010 13:44:03 GMT -5
30 or 40k
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KMJ1
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Post by KMJ1 on Oct 26, 2010 13:53:28 GMT -5
i say 60-70k as shes gonna be pimpin the hell out of this on ALL the A list talk shows lol. plus the pregnancy annoucement and media attention from that- yeah...60k-70k... and wouldnt be surprised if its bit higher
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shadrach01
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Post by shadrach01 on Oct 26, 2010 13:58:05 GMT -5
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Post by shadrach01 on Oct 26, 2010 14:04:28 GMT -5
How many folks are going to shout flop if she does 30k-40k? And, forget that Merry Christmas only did 45k it's first week
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MiMi's Slave
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Post by MiMi's Slave on Oct 26, 2010 14:08:36 GMT -5
^ i can imagine Perez Hilton after the 1st week sales...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2010 14:11:10 GMT -5
People shout flop any time any kind of numbers come in for Mariah because her career is filled with albums that have sold tens of millions of copies and she has more #1 hits than most successful artists have hits period so of course people are always going to hold her on a high pedestal
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rodrigo
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Post by rodrigo on Oct 26, 2010 14:14:02 GMT -5
Did everyone see Mariah WILL NOT be on Chelsea Lately? Rumors rumors rumors. ;) kinda disappointed, tbh.
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shadrach01
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Post by shadrach01 on Oct 26, 2010 14:36:17 GMT -5
People shout flop any time any kind of numbers come in for Mariah because her career is filled with albums that have sold tens of millions of copies and she has more #1 hits than most successful artists have hits period so of course people are always going to hold her on a high pedestal I just don't want that to happen. Since, that has tainted the last two albums. People are quick to say E=MC was a flop. However, a platinum record for anybody else is fine.
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Bojangles
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Post by Bojangles on Oct 26, 2010 15:26:06 GMT -5
If this album doesn't sell more than say, 200k total, it's nothing to cry over. It's a Christmas album.
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beebee
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Post by beebee on Oct 26, 2010 15:30:10 GMT -5
If this album doesn't sell more than say, 200k total, it's nothing to cry over. It's a Christmas album. That would be a disaster. After all, her first one is five time platinum and Holiday albums do sell well, so that's why we are seeing so many relevant artists releasing Christmas albums each year. I don't accept less than 500k total for this album. (total for this year, 'cause it'll always have decent sales around Christmas time...).
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