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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2010 16:32:15 GMT -5
That drop is more in line with a regular album not a holiday album during the holiday season. Thats a bigger than normal drop
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Post by #LisaRinna on Nov 16, 2010 16:35:08 GMT -5
SS could have a higher number/smaller drop.
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Post by stevyy on Nov 16, 2010 16:38:46 GMT -5
idc for what xmas albums usually do... as long as this gets past gold i'll be satisfied..
even more important is, that merry christmas re-charts this week on the top 200 albums too.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Nov 16, 2010 16:45:50 GMT -5
As an FYI, for week ending Dec. 6, 2009, Merry Christmas ranked No. 133 on the Billboard 200, up 57% to 9,395 units (its peak sales week, or close to the following week's sales). It then dropped to 157 the following week.
MC may fare a little better this year, with awareness raised because of the new release.
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Post by Cautionme11/16 on Nov 16, 2010 17:03:29 GMT -5
It's not a life threatening drop, in particular, because she did NO promo last week for it. Sales will surely pick up, in the coming weeks. I sure hope it has a great price drop for black friday weekend. That will certainly escalate the figures!
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Post by JamaicaFunk² on Nov 16, 2010 18:04:33 GMT -5
Second largest decline in the top 50 (by a lot). Maybe this wasn't such a good (or lucrative) idea.
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Post by neverduplicated on Nov 16, 2010 20:43:00 GMT -5
Second largest decline in the top 50 (by a lot). Maybe this wasn't such a good (or lucrative) idea. I wish people would judge whether an album is a good idea on the music, not the sales. This album is amazing. It was a good idea even if it never sells another copy.
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Nov 16, 2010 21:04:05 GMT -5
Second largest decline in the top 50 (by a lot). Maybe this wasn't such a good (or lucrative) idea. I wish people would judge whether an album is a good idea on the music, not the sales. This album is amazing. It was a good idea even if it never sells another copy. Thank you!
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Post by shadrach01 on Nov 17, 2010 0:23:17 GMT -5
Second largest decline in the top 50 (by a lot). Maybe this wasn't such a good (or lucrative) idea. I don't think this album will perform like Emancipation. However, it's STILL NOVEMBER. Are the other albums in the top 50 Xmas albums? This album has little to no airplay. Saw no promo this week. And, it's not placed in high priority in ANY of the big box retailers. The normal drop for second weeks on any album has been trending at 70%. So, Mariah didn't do bad at all.
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Post by danny1999 on Nov 17, 2010 2:18:31 GMT -5
Second largest decline in the top 50 (by a lot). Maybe this wasn't such a good (or lucrative) idea. I don't think this album will perform like Emancipation. However, it's STILL NOVEMBER. Are the other albums in the top 50 Xmas albums? This album has little to no airplay. Saw no promo this week. And, it's not placed in high priority in ANY of the big box retailers. The normal drop for second weeks on any album has been trending at 70%. So, Mariah didn't do bad at all. Susan Boyle debuts at NO1 with 318k No promo, no airplay,too ;)
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Post by Hefty Hanna on Nov 17, 2010 2:49:26 GMT -5
I don't think this album will perform like Emancipation. However, it's STILL NOVEMBER. Are the other albums in the top 50 Xmas albums? This album has little to no airplay. Saw no promo this week. And, it's not placed in high priority in ANY of the big box retailers. The normal drop for second weeks on any album has been trending at 70%. So, Mariah didn't do bad at all. Susan Boyle debuts at NO1 with 318k No promo, no airplay,too ;) Please take that elsewhere.
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Post by lancey on Nov 17, 2010 5:30:10 GMT -5
I don't think this album will perform like Emancipation. However, it's STILL NOVEMBER. Are the other albums in the top 50 Xmas albums? This album has little to no airplay. Saw no promo this week. And, it's not placed in high priority in ANY of the big box retailers. The normal drop for second weeks on any album has been trending at 70%. So, Mariah didn't do bad at all. Susan Boyle debuts at NO1 with 318k No promo, no airplay,too ;) What is this world coming to when someone like Susan Boyle can outsell Mariah Carey..wowwww...shocked, i'd never spend a nickle on that boring old lady... I guess poeple like her
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Post by worldwide on Nov 17, 2010 5:50:47 GMT -5
I don't think this album will perform like Emancipation. However, it's STILL NOVEMBER. Are the other albums in the top 50 Xmas albums? This album has little to no airplay. Saw no promo this week. And, it's not placed in high priority in ANY of the big box retailers. The normal drop for second weeks on any album has been trending at 70%. So, Mariah didn't do bad at all. Susan Boyle debuts at NO1 with 318k No promo, no airplay,too ;) No promo except she's been everywhere in past 1.5 years. You literally couldn't hide from that woman. Only GaGa had more media coverage.
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Post by grouper6 on Nov 17, 2010 7:21:53 GMT -5
I don't know if that is a great result. I'm more interested to see what it does on next week and the following week's charts as this week is filled with lots of new releases and next week is black Friday's week. I have a feeling this won't scan gold although Def Jam may ensure that 500k is shipped. Based on what Billboard said was going to be shipped for NIcki Minaj (300k- don't believe that), I'm thinking 250-300k is the initial shipment. Def Jam should lower the price. IMO, it's a double impediment to buying the album. First a buyer has to overcome buying a xmas album early, then they have to commit to paying $2 more at $11.99. I think she would have sold more with a better price point. However, when she goes back on HSN, I expect her to easily sell at least $15k that day.
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Post by cking33 on Nov 17, 2010 8:49:44 GMT -5
Mariah tweeted that there will probably be a video for "When Christmas Comes." I really wish they would pick a single and stick with one. It seems like they're sending a bunch of different songs to different formats. Stick with "Oh Santa" for all formats. It can be played everywhere.
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Post by r.enato on Nov 17, 2010 8:57:51 GMT -5
^ I disagree. It's better to have songs that have more probability to get played in each format. What's the use of sending Oh Santa! to AC?
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Post by neverduplicated on Nov 17, 2010 9:18:30 GMT -5
Mariah tweeted that there will probably be a video for "When Christmas Comes." I really wish they would pick a single and stick with one. It seems like they're sending a bunch of different songs to different formats. Stick with "Oh Santa" for all formats. It can be played everywhere. It's really hard to tell what IDJ and Mariah's "strategy" is, other than frantically releasing singles. From September 2009 - January 2010, 5 Mariah singles got released - IWTKWLI, HATE U, Angels Cry, UOMF, and 100%. Now with this era "Oh Santa" gets released, then we hear about videos being made for "O Come All Ye Faithful" and "Auld Lang Syne," then "One Child" randomly gets an adds date at urban and gospel, and now they're filming a video for "When Christmas Comes." I understand the concept of exposing people to as much product as possible, especially when there's a short amount of time to do so, but with so many different things out it doesn't give one single the chance to shine. And of course the funny thing about it all is that they can release every song on the album but nothing will come remotely close to "AIWFCIY."
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Post by FSUmcIL on Nov 17, 2010 9:36:12 GMT -5
Well they can't really expect this album to do anything after December, so they might as well throw out everything they have now. Besides, after this, we probably won't get another album for quite a while.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Nov 17, 2010 10:02:48 GMT -5
The airplay possibilities for holiday songs are slim- "All I Want For Christmas...," as noted, spent just 3 weeks on Hot 100 Airplay in its initial run. I mean, "Oh Santa" has a sentiment similar to Mimi's usual fare, but, still, given her recent radio performances and radio not wanting to play anything "Santa"-related until Thanksgiving time, it's no surprise that the single has not garnered much airplay.
"All I Want For Christmas..." currently boasts a Mediabase audience more than 10 times larger than OS. Of course, that trend will lessen, as I'd think that OS will surpass 4m-5m in audience at some point.
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Post by Bojangles on Nov 17, 2010 11:36:24 GMT -5
People, it's a Christmas album. It's not going to sell nearly as much as a regular studio album, you can't even compare. It'll be completely done in a month until next year's Holidays. Who cares how much it sells or how the singles do? Just enjoy the music while decorating your house and being festive.
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Post by neverduplicated on Nov 17, 2010 11:50:42 GMT -5
People, it's a Christmas album. It's not going to sell nearly as much as a regular studio album, you can't even compare. It'll be completely done in a month until next year's Holidays. Who cares how much it sells or how the singles do? Just enjoy the music while decorating your house and being festive. Well some of us obviously do care and "it's a Christmas album" doesn't mean it can't sell well. Lots of Christmas albums sell 1-2 million copies during their first year of release (some even more). In fact Mariah's first Christmas album is her 5th best-selling album in the US (out of 18 CDs) and her 5th best-selling album worldwide. We are enjoying the music but that doesn't mean we can't hope this album will live up to its potential and reach as many people as possible.
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Nov 17, 2010 11:58:47 GMT -5
Mariah tweeted that there will probably be a video for "When Christmas Comes." I really wish they would pick a single and stick with one. It seems like they're sending a bunch of different songs to different formats. Stick with "Oh Santa" for all formats. It can be played everywhere. When it comes to Christmas albums you have to send out as much singles out to radio as possible. You can't focus on one single, it just doesn't work that way. This isn't about getting a song to go up in the charts(it's a Xmas album, it usually nerver happens) is about getting the songs out there on radio so people go purchase the album.
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Post by Bojangles on Nov 17, 2010 12:11:03 GMT -5
People, it's a Christmas album. It's not going to sell nearly as much as a regular studio album, you can't even compare. It'll be completely done in a month until next year's Holidays. Who cares how much it sells or how the singles do? Just enjoy the music while decorating your house and being festive. Well some of us obviously do care and "it's a Christmas album" doesn't mean it can't sell well. Lots of Christmas albums sell 1-2 million copies during their first year of release (some even more). In fact Mariah's first Christmas album is her 5th best-selling album in the US (out of 18 CDs) and her 5th best-selling album worldwide. We are enjoying the music but that doesn't mean we can't hope this album will live up to its potential and reach as many people as possible. Sales are just not the same anymore, do we not realize this by now? I'm sure close to a million people already have the album right now, illegally. It's not going to scan that anytime soon. So, enjoy the music and don't stress on sales.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Nov 17, 2010 12:43:25 GMT -5
With the first album, clearly there was a focus with "All I Want For Christmas is You." It reached No. 12 on Hot 100 Airplay, and cracked the Mainstream Top 40 chart. But, Mimi was at/near her commercial zenith at that point in time.
I agree that no one should "stress" about commercial performance, regardless of the act involved.
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Post by stevyy on Nov 17, 2010 13:28:14 GMT -5
you have to realize that songs just don't become classic over night or in their first year of release... NO! It took AIWFCIY a cpuple of years to prove that it's popular very season anew. I think the song hit its peak in the year 2005 when it actually hit #1 on the bb digital songs charts for a week. That was remarkable.. the second time of dominace was the year 2007 when AIWFCIY started to crash the charts almost anywhere.. especially in the UK- reaching #4.
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Post by neverduplicated on Nov 17, 2010 13:28:33 GMT -5
LOL, I doubt anyone is under stress because of this album's sales. Caring about how it sells and noting IDJ's apparent lack of strategy with Mariah's albums isn't the same thing as stressing.
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Post by hidizzyguy on Nov 17, 2010 13:29:42 GMT -5
There was something about AIWFCIY that just screamed multi-format smash. I don't get that same feeling with Oh Santa! I'm a fan of them sending her format-specific tracks to those formats all at once only for the fact that the best songs for those formats are her ORIGINAL tracks and not the covers. When Christmas Comes, Christmas Time Is In The Air, and One Child all need proper exposure this holiday season.
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Post by Cautionme11/16 on Nov 17, 2010 17:54:17 GMT -5
If they have one of those "dirt cheap" price drops next week for Black Friday, plus her promo, she will be fine.
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Post by switchblade on Nov 17, 2010 21:30:47 GMT -5
If they have one of those "dirt cheap" price drops next week for Black Friday, plus her promo, she will be fine. 49 cents you mean? :'(
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Post by shadrach01 on Nov 17, 2010 21:46:51 GMT -5
I don't think this album will perform like Emancipation. However, it's STILL NOVEMBER. Are the other albums in the top 50 Xmas albums? This album has little to no airplay. Saw no promo this week. And, it's not placed in high priority in ANY of the big box retailers. The normal drop for second weeks on any album has been trending at 70%. So, Mariah didn't do bad at all. Susan Boyle debuts at NO1 with 318k No promo, no airplay,too ;) No promo. She's all over every big box retailers circular. Mariah isn't getting any prime real estate on sales floor like Susan. So, step to me when you know what you're talking about ;)
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