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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2010 9:57:08 GMT -5
*Goes back to listening to their older stuff*
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2010 14:00:30 GMT -5
Do. Not. Like. I hope this isn't single #2. I know. I love Catalyst but not this. :( If this is a single it would be the first single off of one of their main studio albums I didn't like...which would be sad. |
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Post by Rodze on Sept 3, 2010 17:15:01 GMT -5
Those singles are the best way to alienate any mainstream audience who still had any interest in Linkin Park.
At least we'll get to know if their millions of album sold were mostly to rock/etc. fans or not.
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Post by Nicholas2.0 on Sept 4, 2010 3:33:19 GMT -5
Lot of fucking Chicken Littles in here...  Why? Who else has used it? Fear Factory has used it. Do you know which song? |
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Post by pen on Sept 4, 2010 7:10:48 GMT -5
Timelessness from Obsolete.
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Post by mcbrearty on Sept 4, 2010 10:29:53 GMT -5
This is first grade s**t. The Catalyst wasn't great but its much better than this tripe.
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Post by lockebox on Sept 4, 2010 18:30:23 GMT -5
What is going on with Linkin Park? ??? This is even worse than "The Catalyst".
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Post by rockmaniac on Sept 4, 2010 18:45:28 GMT -5
they need to go back to their Hybrid Theory-ish ways after this album
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Post by pen on Sept 4, 2010 18:50:04 GMT -5
they need to go back to their Hybrid Theory-ish ways after this album No they don't. |
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Post by singingsparrow on Sept 4, 2010 22:57:31 GMT -5
they need to go back to their Hybrid Theory-ish ways after this album No they don't. I second that. I consider "Hybrid Theory" their worst album to date, as I've just always found it topically generic and musically monotonous. "Meteora" was a small step up with superior production layering and "Breaking The Habit", but still too much in the vein of their debut. And "Minutes To Midnight" was another step forward, in my view, with them stretching out melodically, trying their hand at other firsts like guitar solos and atmospheric ballads, even when there was filler as well like all their albums have had. I can easily see "A Thousand Suns" being another step forward for them, although I can equally as much see it being their worst album if they sloppily overreach into a post-apocalyptic political concept with the record in a broad sense. Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2010 2:57:06 GMT -5
they need to go back to their Hybrid TheoryMeteora-ish ways after this album |
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Post by thisbeautifulmess on Sept 5, 2010 21:19:37 GMT -5
What do you people want? Apparently not innovative music, but One Step Closer IV, Crawling IV, and In the End IV.
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Post by ritymeez on Sept 5, 2010 21:25:29 GMT -5
I actually like this. :)
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Post by jvandyck87 on Sept 5, 2010 21:56:30 GMT -5
"Numb" was already "Crawling" II literally. I dig both songs, but I agree that this makes less sense at radio than "The Catalyst". While "The Catalyst" is both long and out of left field (both things that are good for me liking it and bad for its chance of success), it is much more hooky and melodic than "Wrectches". "Wretches" has a heavy groove that I really like (especially with the grinding dissonant minor seconds in the distorted guitars on top), but the chorus does disappoint a bit.
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Post by Ron57 on Sept 5, 2010 22:38:09 GMT -5
Loved the Catalyst, not digging this so much. It's really not that catchy. I don't see it catching on.
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Post by Shadows in the Dark on Sept 5, 2010 22:48:01 GMT -5
It looks like "Waiting for the End" will be the 2nd single:
30 second clip:
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Post by Sir Benji on Sept 5, 2010 23:37:29 GMT -5
this is a little more hip-hop than Nu-metal. glad "Waiting for the End" is 2nd but i wouldn't have minded if this were the next single
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Post by jvandyck87 on Sept 6, 2010 0:16:13 GMT -5
I can't really say for sure as it's only a short clip, but "Waiting For The End" is actually likely to be my least favorite of the three songs. Sounds like it's going to be very generic. If these are the three songs that they have to work with, my vote is for them to keep pushing "The Catalyst" a bit more, and see if the naysayers come around a bit more. I don't think either of the other songs will do more to appease their fanbase.
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Post by Walking Contradiction on Sept 6, 2010 2:01:18 GMT -5
I have the opposite reaction... I actually really like the clip of "Waiting For The End", and it sounds like it might be the best of the songs so far. I was impressed with "The Catalyst" at first, but the "wow" factor wore off pretty quickly for me, and now I think the song is just okay. As for "Wretches and Kings", it's starting to click with me a little after a second listen. I like the verses and the overall musical style of the song... it's just the chorus that's a little iffy for me. I wish Chester didn't sing in that weird accent.
But I do give them credit for trying different things. They definitely needed to grow beyond the Hybrid Theory/Meteora sound. It may take another album or two for their sound to fully mature, but it's interesting to hear where they're going in the meantime
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Post by pen on Sept 6, 2010 6:49:49 GMT -5
"Waiting For The End" sounds more U2ish than they've ever sounded before.
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Post by mcbrearty on Sept 6, 2010 8:47:56 GMT -5
Whats up with fake reggae accents from the band members, very poor songs indeed. I'd rather sit through Puddle Of Mudd's new album rather than "A Thousand Suns".
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Post by Devin on Sept 6, 2010 18:58:25 GMT -5
I can see "Waiting for the End" cleaning up "The Catalyst" 's mess and becoming a crossover hit similar to the chart run of "Shadow of the Day" on pop/hac. As for rock, #1 on alt. and Top 5 on active. Anyways, if this is official, there should be a new thread.
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Post by thisbeautifulmess on Sept 6, 2010 19:21:31 GMT -5
I guess I never realized that a #1 song could create "a mess".
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Post by singingsparrow on Sept 6, 2010 21:05:55 GMT -5
I guess I never realized that a #1 song could create "a mess". It will be a mess if it already continues bleeding spins one month into its chart run. It's easy to look at the chart history of "Discotheque" and say "But wait...............it went #1 on Alternative................it was a Top Ten Billboard Hot 100 hit.....................so what's up with this dubious stamp being placed on that hit? Why are people treating it like a monster flop?" Because, given it was U2, after all, at a time when they were generating monumental waves of publicity.............it HAD to make that monster debut, and they rounded out all the bases to make that happen, with a standard single release coupled with the massive early airplay. Whichever way you look at it however, ultimately...............in spite of its peak positions...............it was a commercial embarrassment for the band because it plunged into oblivion just as quickly as it stormed the chart upon its debut, with one of the most dubious high-peaking chart runs in format history. I think, frankly, "The Catalyst" will follow that dubious commercial route, even though I will also predict it will be much more popular as a live selection. Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus |
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Post by onefrayedrepublic on Sept 6, 2010 21:11:43 GMT -5
30 seconds samples of the album are out.
Burning In The Skies will be the pop hit if there is any justice in the world.
Waiting For The End is also going to be crossover material.
Blackout seems like it should be the #1 active rock smash.
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Post by thisbeautifulmess on Sept 6, 2010 23:06:34 GMT -5
I guess I never realized that a #1 song could create "a mess". It will be a mess if it already continues bleeding spins one month into its chart run. It's easy to look at the chart history of "Discotheque" and say "But wait...............it went #1 on Alternative................it was a Top Ten Billboard Hot 100 hit.....................so what's up with this dubious stamp being placed on that hit? Why are people treating it like a monster flop?" Because, given it was U2, after all, at a time when they were generating monumental waves of publicity.............it HAD to make that monster debut, and they rounded out all the bases to make that happen, with a standard single release coupled with the massive early airplay. Whichever way you look at it however, ultimately...............in spite of its peak positions...............it was a commercial embarrassment for the band because it plunged into oblivion just as quickly as it stormed the chart upon its debut, with one of the most dubious high-peaking chart runs in format history. I think, frankly, "The Catalyst" will follow that dubious commercial route, even though I will also predict it will be much more popular as a live selection. Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus I don't disagree, but I'd put other forgettable alternative #1's below it, such as "who you are", "e-bow the letter", "survivalism", and "brother". After all, discotheque did spend FOUR WEEKS at #1. And personally, I think it deserved every one of those weeks, as it's a good song that I feel gets a bum rap due to its quick rise and fall. Other than "staring at the sun", no other single from that record was more successful. And yet, discotheque would probably pop into a person's head even before staring at the sun, even given the quick fall. I know that if I were asked to name their biggest singles of the past 20 years, I'm sure it would come to mind in the first 5-10 songs. I'm fairly certain "the catalyst" will easily make it 5 more weeks on the chart. Heck, it might be #1 next week, and worse case, #2. Any upcoming rapid fall could be partially driven by the record company quickly converting to single #2, just as much as the decline of the song itself. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2010 0:44:38 GMT -5
30 seconds samples of the album are out. Just heard. So many songs sound amazing, Wretches & Kings sounds like one of the weaker tracks imo. |
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Post by Nicholas2.0 on Sept 7, 2010 1:37:56 GMT -5
Timelessness from Obsolete. I love that song. ??? The speech in this song didn't sound familiar to me in the slightest. I haven't listened to "Timelessness" in a couple years, maybe, but still... "Numb" was already "Crawling" II literally. "Numb" was "Pushing Me Away II," literally. I seem to remember the parts being completely interchangeable. That said, once "Numb" was released as a single and blew up, I eventually didn't mind whatsoever. So little did I care once the smoke cleared, that I grew to easily prefer "Numb," and it's probably one of my 10 (if not 5) favorite LP songs. this is a little more hip-hop than Nu-metal. That's why I like it. Because Mike and Joe are making the hip hop element of LP arguably more authentic than it's been to date. (To be fair, I've only listened to this song once so far.) I like the verses and the overall musical style of the song... it's just the chorus that's a little iffy for me. I wish Chester didn't sing in that weird accent. This. |
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Post by jvandyck87 on Sept 7, 2010 2:28:44 GMT -5
"Numb" was "Pushing Me Away II," literally. I seem to remember the parts being completely interchangeable. That said, once "Numb" was released as a single and blew up, I eventually didn't mind whatsoever. So little did I care once the smoke cleared, that I grew to easily prefer "Numb," and it's probably one of my 10 (if not 5) favorite LP songs. It's more similar to "Crawling" than "Pushing Me Away". I agree that aesthetically it has more in common with PMA...but basically it's a Pushing Me Away-ified version of Crawling. Every structural point, every chord in the progression, the tempo...is "Crawling". Then the bridge is "Pushing Me Away" added on to "Crawling" with a final chorus that fades out similarly to "Crawling". But with the exceptions of the bridge, the extra repetition of the chorus, and the fact that Chester sings the first chorus of "Crawling" before the first verse (whereas in "Numb" the chorus is played instrumentally), everything else as far as chord progression and when exact events happen lines up perfectly between "Numb" and "Crawling". Maybe there are also as many similarities between "Numb" and "Pushing Me Away", but my ears hear fewer. |
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Post by Nicholas2.0 on Sept 7, 2010 14:46:15 GMT -5
"Waiting for the End" was premiered on my station today...
WTF. If "The Catalyst" is seen as under-performing, I sure as shit don't see how "Waiting for the End" will save any face for the singles trajectory. The rhythm track needs more variation on a song like this. And now Mike's vocals are sprinkled with a silly, phony accent? WTF is going on here? His cadence and steady stream of syllables sounds like something you'd hear from 311 or Sublime. He doesn't rap with a phony urban African-American accent and LP's first 10 years of music has never been influenced by reggae, so why would he sing a reggae-influenced passage with a Jamaican-inspired accent?
Suddenly I'm feeling less confident about A Thousand Suns if this is one of the highlights (and potential singles) from the new album.
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