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Post by Kevin on Sept 4, 2010 18:36:09 GMT -5
I was expecting Katy open with 300,000+ copies during her first week, given how successful "California Gurls" was. Perhaps if the record label managed to bump up the release by two to four weeks, she would have scored better first week sales? In my opinion, 192K way too low of a number... it didn't even hit 200K!
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Sept 4, 2010 20:11:31 GMT -5
I think Katy Perry would've sold what she sold regardless. People have to actually want to buy the album and generally fans buy the album the first week anyway. People had way to big of expectations given that she had a bigger #1 single the last time and still only managed to muster up a measley 50-60k.
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Post by Positive Tension on Sept 4, 2010 22:07:33 GMT -5
Katy Perry sold around what I thought she would (I guessed between 175k-200k). The woman is still viewed as a singles artist. Even given the success of California Gurls and Teenage Dream, many (myself included) weren't sure if the rest of the album would be as good as the singles.
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Post by Wavey✨️ on Sept 4, 2010 23:27:18 GMT -5
Ask her and Rihanna why their openings weren't expected. Singles sometimes does not translate to sales,imo.
Regardless,she gathered more fans around this era,which made her opening sales a BIT BETTER than 47k. 192k is fine for a soph album from an artist like Katy,its called progression.
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Post by BlueSwan on Sept 5, 2010 4:20:36 GMT -5
I think there's ONE legitimate comparison to BEP and that is that neither BEP nor KP has a huge loyal fanbase despite having numerous huge hits. BEP have sold a load of albums, not through massive out-of-the-gate sales, but because of longterm consistent sales due to them releasing one big hit after another and hence keeping their product relevant. The same *could* happen to this KP album if she keeps having big hits off it.
I suppose Rihanna is more or less in this category as well. None of these acts will sell out of the gate like, say Eminem, Taylor Swift, Lil' Wayne, AC/DC, etc.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Sept 5, 2010 10:26:28 GMT -5
Does anything thing her second sales week will have the benefit of the holiday week and somewhat maintain its sales numbers, maybe have another 100+K week.
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Post by Push The Button on Sept 5, 2010 10:39:32 GMT -5
Who are these "insiders?" I predicted 200k back in like, May.
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Post by dbt88 on Sept 5, 2010 11:08:55 GMT -5
I was almost on point. She's never been an album seller, and like Rihanna, they don't open with good/phenomenal numbers. I'm just happy to see that this time, it seems she may sell more since she's doing really well and has been promoting like hell.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Sept 5, 2010 13:27:51 GMT -5
Katy Perry has only had one album. Of course she's not an album seller you have to build up to that and even more so in this day and age. This isn't 2000 where the most popular acts are going to debut with high sales out of the gate on albums. With downloading the record company is at the mercy of the consumer when it comes to the sales of it's music. Sure they could try to block the singles but then they'd just be shooting themselves in the foot long term just like they did before. If people can't find it on Itunes many will go to illegal sources for their music. You simply aren't going to get big sales of albums out of the gate. They need to just realize that going forward and just develop a strategy for releasing good singles. from here on out. That's what you call forward thinking.
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Sept 6, 2010 9:58:29 GMT -5
Another example of how these "industry insiders" are so out-of-touch. It's no wonder why the business has crashed and burned. Perry is hardly a household name. With the exception of H&C and, now TD, her singles are novelty songs (good ones, but still the stuff that used to make one-hit wonders). Oh, let's not forget some of the tracks on TD: Peacock, TGIF, ET. All of these scream singles, not CDs. It's too back, she couldn't score with TOY, because that may have changed perception that she is a more well-rounded artist.
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Post by dbt88 on Sept 6, 2010 10:21:05 GMT -5
@ Adonis: With the sales climate that is today, I highly doubt any act would build up to stronger sales. Record labels don't play that way. It's either sell well right out of the gate with the album or sell millions of singles. Katy Perry managed to sell 1.2 million with her first album and sold over 10 million singles. I agree that these insiders are out of touch with predicting Katy's numbers, but alot of the high debuts occured after sales peaked in 2000. ....BOMT debuted with a number less than Katy's and it's best selling week was in December when it sold 300K+, almost a year out. While the climate is changed, this is also how Taylor Swift sold much with Fearless. Maintaining leveled sales week after week.
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Post by Enigma. on Sept 6, 2010 13:05:49 GMT -5
Sorry but who wants to buy an album by Katy Perry when it's 100% obvious that there's nothing besides the singles.
Pop stars and labels have created the culture of cherry-picking themselves.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Sept 6, 2010 13:14:19 GMT -5
@ Adonis: With the sales climate that is today, I highly doubt any act would build up to stronger sales. Record labels don't play that way. It's either sell well right out of the gate with the album or sell millions of singles. Katy Perry managed to sell 1.2 million with her first album and sold over 10 million singles. I agree that these insiders are out of touch with predicting Katy's numbers, but alot of the high debuts occured after sales peaked in 2000. ....BOMT debuted with a number less than Katy's and it's best selling week was in December when it sold 300K+, almost a year out. While the climate is changed, this is also how Taylor Swift sold much with Fearless. Maintaining leveled sales week after week. Yeah but when you've just sold millions of albums with your last album you have a chance to build up but going from 47k the first week out to 300-700k out is just never going to be a reality even under the best circumstances.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Sept 6, 2010 13:20:31 GMT -5
Sorry but who wants to buy an album by Katy Perry when it's 100% obvious that there's nothing besides the singles. Pop stars and labels have created the culture of cherry-picking themselves. No they didn't actually. The consumer created the culture of I want to only buy the amount of product that I am willing to pay for and nothing more. If the record company doesn't offer the product in small denominations then people will just download the tracks illegally or just settle for not having it at all as there are other things to compete for people's time. Bottom line...you aren't going to force people into buying more product than what they want to at a given point in time. You could kinda do that in the mid to late 90's but with downloads there is no hope for that at all. Too many other ways to be entertained competing for people's time. The kid rock example was more of a fluke than a reality for all artists and record companies.
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Post by Enigma. on Sept 6, 2010 13:27:03 GMT -5
I guess that's true.. But the at the same time the whole business has become singles-driven. A bit like in the 60s when an act could had a top 10 hit and sell almost zero albums. Take Chad & Jeremy for example: seven Top 40 singles but no Top 20 albums.
Maybe I'm a bit naive but I really think that if the artist/band is interesting enough, he/she/they will sell albums too.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Sept 6, 2010 13:36:29 GMT -5
I guess that's true.. But the at the same time the whole business has become singles-driven. A bit like in the 60s when an act could had a top 10 hit and sell almost zero albums. Take Chad & Jeremy for example: seven Top 40 singles but no Top 20 albums. Maybe I'm a bit naive but I really think that if the artist/band is interesting enough, he/she/they will sell albums too. Not necessarily. People have other competing entertainment interests. They don't necessarily want to spend hours and hours on the same song and same album. They want to listen to the tracks they like and not be bothered with the tracks they don't like. Trying to control how people listen to to music is pointless and is a flawed argument and goal in an of itself.
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Post by Enigma. on Sept 6, 2010 13:39:19 GMT -5
Valid point there.
But why everything has to be so hectic? In pop music it's the first 15 seconds of a song and then it's game over if you don't like it. What's left for artists any more?
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Post by stevyy on Sept 6, 2010 15:59:23 GMT -5
sales for the album were disappointing. 192k c'mon with 1 mega hit and another one on the way... I thought she would exceed the 300k mark too.
I think this album will not sell much more than max. 700,000 copies in the us.
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Post by Cerbius on Sept 6, 2010 16:18:31 GMT -5
sales for the album were disappointing. 192k c'mon with 1 mega hit and another one on the way... I thought she would exceed the 300k mark too. I think this album will not sell much more than max. 700,000 copies in the us. Well, Fergie's "The Dutchess" opened with a disappointing 158k in 2006 in spite of a huge lead-single. However, the hits kept coming and the album went on to sell 4 million copies. If the hits keep piling up for "Teenage Dream" (quite likely if you ask me), then the album is poised to do well in the long-run as well. 2x platinum isn't out of reach.
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Post by jj99$ - - LeLe on Sept 6, 2010 17:09:04 GMT -5
LOL 2million.
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Post by Rurry on Sept 6, 2010 17:11:54 GMT -5
LOL, these "industry insiders" don't know too much about the industry they are inside of. Katy sold almost exactly as much as I expected her to.
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Post by pnobelysk on Sept 6, 2010 18:16:24 GMT -5
sales for the album were disappointing. 192k c'mon with 1 mega hit and another one on the way... I thought she would exceed the 300k mark too. I think this album will not sell much more than max. 700,000 copies in the us. 700k max? haahahhaahhaahahhaha.. no. it ll prbly be past that after the holiday season if not sooner
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Post by David on Sept 6, 2010 18:21:36 GMT -5
Katy Perry has only had one album. Of course she's not an album seller you have to build up to that and even more so in this day and age. This isn't 2000 where the most popular acts are going to debut with high sales out of the gate on albums. With downloading the record company is at the mercy of the consumer when it comes to the sales of it's music. Sure they could try to block the singles but then they'd just be shooting themselves in the foot long term just like they did before. If people can't find it on Itunes many will go to illegal sources for their music. You simply aren't going to get big sales of albums out of the gate. They need to just realize that going forward and just develop a strategy for releasing good singles. from here on out. That's what you call forward thinking. I've never understood blocking the singles to get more sales. People can illegally download the singles easily. If anything, I'd block the album tracks until they're released as singles. Its usually harder to find the album tracks. Depending on the artist of course. Then it gets rid of people picking and choosing which songs they "think" they want based on a 30 second clip.
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Post by Dammn Baby on Sept 7, 2010 22:06:25 GMT -5
All these industry executives huffing glue to come up with 700k estimates for Katy; meanwhile, Pulse predicts her opening accurately.
No wonder the industry is so fucked up.
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Post by Quixotic Music Lover on Sept 8, 2010 11:21:44 GMT -5
Personally I think it is just another indication that the music industry's bread and butter, the album, is dying out. Most consumers are reasonably rationale when it comes to spending money. Why spend $10 when you only want 2-3 songs? Especially in this economic climate.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2010 20:27:55 GMT -5
Personally I think it is just another indication that the music industry's bread and butter, the album, is dying out. Most consumers are reasonably rationale when it comes to spending money. Why spend $10 when you only want 2-3 songs? Especially in this economic climate. It doesn't help that a lot of albums these days seem to have maybe 1 or 2 hits on them and the rest of the album is mediocre filler.
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Post by 1shot on Sept 8, 2010 21:20:30 GMT -5
Personally I think it is just another indication that the music industry's bread and butter, the album, is dying out. Most consumers are reasonably rationale when it comes to spending money. Why spend $10 when you only want 2-3 songs? Especially in this economic climate. It doesn't help that a lot of albums these days seem to have maybe 1 or 2 hits on them and the rest of the album is mediocre filler. Amen! Countless times I have bought albums and the singles are good but the rest is just bland or terrible. Lady Antebellums' latest album springs to mind...
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Post by grandelf on Sept 9, 2010 5:30:04 GMT -5
It doesn't help that a lot of albums these days seem to have maybe 1 or 2 hits on them and the rest of the album is mediocre filler. Amen! Countless times I have bought albums and the singles are good but the rest is just bland or terrible. Lady Antebellums' latest album springs to mind... It was just like that in the 90s. Several "diva" albums are used as prime examples for that, yet they sold millions on the back of 2-3 hits. It's just that back then the labels could get away with it, they are lucky it lasted THAT long.
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Post by Glove Slap on Sept 9, 2010 13:50:38 GMT -5
SMH @ everything having to do with this.
When CG exploded out of the gate, I said 180k. When TD did the same, I still said 180k.
I'm not sure who thought she'd pull in 400k+, but I'd like some of what they're smoking.
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Post by David on Sept 9, 2010 13:54:22 GMT -5
^Exactly. I said 180k from the get-go.
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