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Post by areyoureadytojump on Apr 2, 2012 15:20:03 GMT -5
^No. It's still $3.49 for the first 4 weeks at retail.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2012 15:21:21 GMT -5
People, read what badrobot said: To get the Madonna album you have to request it, they don't send it to you automatically.Redemption doesnt cost a cent and she is giving ppl pit tix to get them to redeem. OF course if it doesnt cost a cent ppl will redeem. if i am offered something for free i will always accept it thats just human nature Bon jovi did it the right way he gave link to buy the album for $10 but her albums r FREE. FREE shouldn't count. She cant even Legitimately sell more then of all ppl Lionel who started his musical career 45 yrs back I agree 100%. Whether it's 5 copies or 50,000 or 150,000...this "promotion" by Madonna is ridiculous. For any artist, Lionel Richie or anyone else, to lose the # 1 spot likely based on a "promotion" like this is not right.
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Post by Verisimilitude on Apr 2, 2012 15:29:30 GMT -5
*playing smallest violin in the world right now*
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2012 15:38:42 GMT -5
For most of the world, where the album charts is irrelevant.
Do you like the album you purchased? That should be all that matters.
For others it could be, not where the album starts but where it ends up.
The Lionel Richie album will likely have longer legs than the Madonna album.
The promo purchased by Madonna will have a very limited impact.
Yes this means a #1 listing on the next album chart and a listing in the top 10 on the singles chart.
We all know what happened to the single after the purchased airtime was completed.
The album should decline quickly too.
For others, like people in the thread, the fast start is what matters, I suppose.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2012 15:43:04 GMT -5
Exactly, br. Anyone who has such issue with this is makes it very clear why in his or her posts. Madonna, warming up the No. 1 spot for Nicki Minaj next week. ??? So, everyone who opposes the Prince/Madonna "promotion" is just doing it because they are biased and don't like Madonna? Is that what you're hinting at? I really hope you aren't serious. Coming from someone (holidayguy) who went all the way over to the 2012 ACM thread and posted an unprovoked snide - and inaccurate - remark about Lionel Richie, I hope you aren't complaining about anyone else being biased. I will remember your posts, and the posts of others in this thread, when Madonna loses out on any chart position (song or album charts) due to some other artist's gimmicky "promotion" or giveaway. You can't have it both ways. You can't support Madonna's "promotion" and then turn around and complain when the same thing happens to her that's likely happening to Lionel Richie now. For the record: My problem is not that MADONNA is doing this "promotion." My problem is that ANY artist is doing this "promotion" and getting away with it. It's not right for any artist to do this "promotion" - no matter if it only results in 5 copies added to the total. I do not support it. Billboard's Lack of Action:I also do not support Billboard in their lack of action in regards to this "promotion" gimmick. Action should have been taken back when Prince did his "promotion." Now, Madonna is also going to apparently get a "# 1 hit" by using a pretty similar gimmick. Unfortunately, when Billboard finally catches on and starts changing the rules, another artist may not be as lucky as Madonna. The next artist who tries this may not get the "# 1 hit" due to a rule change that is bound to happen at some point. When that happens, I wonder what Madonna fans will say then. With all of that said, we'll see when the final numbers come in just how much this "promotion" helped Madonna get her "# 1 hit" over a Lionel Richie CD with Duets of his old hits. Based on what I've read from Billboard, HITS, and elsewhere, Lionel Richie should be at # 1. He won't be # 1, but he should be.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2012 15:44:33 GMT -5
For most of the world, where the album charts is irrelevant. Do you like the album you purchased? That should be all that matters. For others it could be, not where the album starts but where it ends up. The Lionel Richie album will likely have longer legs than the Madonna album. The promo purchased by Madonna will have a very limited impact. Yes this means a #1 listing on the next album chart and a listing in the top 10 on the singles chart. We all know what happened to the single after the purchased airtime was completed. The album should decline quickly too. For others, like people in the thread, the fast start is what matters, I suppose. True. In the coming weeks, we'll see how much the 'promotion' really helped Madonna.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2012 15:47:33 GMT -5
But it's not like each album is being counted for every ticket?! Only the ones redeemed, which the consumer is making a choice to redeem it at that point. If 600,000 tickets were sold but only 150,000 redeemed, what's the big deal? Get over it. 150k of these free give aways will alter the charts and not reflect the true #1. look at the other senarios 1) Madonna is prevented from reaching #1 by some similar ploy my mariah Lol, as if mariah can even sell concert tix
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Post by chartfreak on Apr 2, 2012 16:21:03 GMT -5
So if the #2 album this week was projected to sell 65,000 copies and Madonna was still projected to sell what she is going to sell based on the "promotion" would there be any arguement. Is the issue that they are so close in "regular" sales???
If we don't get a break down on Wed. it's going to make for a very longggggg week!
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Post by HolidayGuy on Apr 2, 2012 16:23:09 GMT -5
Where I did I post a snide remark about Lionel Richie? I asked if he performed at all on the show- and, he does have a CBS special airing on a Friday next week, doesn't he? Is it "snide" to point out that Friday nights are low rated nights for TV viewing? ??? I happen to like Mr. Richie, thanks much. And, no, I don't believe anyone who has an issue with album redemptions is biased against Madonna- surely certain posters would be, based on the overall tone of the comments. That's all I meant. :) Since Madonna concert tickets are as pricey as they are (I have an issue with the high prices, even if I think she happens to be worth it), I don't see why some are ignoring that the ticket price may include the price of a single CD. Does it have to spell it out for one to think so? I don't. Before purchasing, people knew they would have the opportunity to redeem a copy of the album, no? If someone was willing to spend that kind of money, it makes sense that they would redeem a copy of the album. And where is this "promo-purchased-by-Madonna" coming from in terms of the album charts? This Billboard rule has been in effect for several years now, so, of course, because it's Her Madgesty... (As for the airplay promo- that lasted three days, and did not even correspond to the sales peak (which occurred in the second chart week).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2012 16:30:18 GMT -5
The itunes preorders promo and countdown ad was likely not free
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Post by closeyoureyes on Apr 2, 2012 16:31:10 GMT -5
Wouldn't it be hilarious if the sales breakdown shows that Madonna would have beat Lionel either way? Some people in here would suddenly go silent I'm sure.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Apr 2, 2012 16:33:54 GMT -5
Well, any type of promo on iTunes, for anyone, probably does not come free, eh, 2m? :)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2012 16:35:36 GMT -5
Just answering your question
Lots of albums go up for preorder on itunes
Not that many get front page ads 2 months before release and fewer than that get the countdown ad
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Post by HolidayGuy on Apr 2, 2012 16:40:49 GMT -5
Well, it IS Madonna. :) Plus, she was used to less-than-stellar promo from Warner Bros. in recent years. Interscope is showing itself as one of the best labels around in terms of promo.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2012 16:42:30 GMT -5
So whatever it is, I am suggesting it will have a temporary effect on album sales much like it had a temporary effect on singles sales
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Post by HolidayGuy on Apr 2, 2012 16:44:03 GMT -5
^I do not disagree. Although album redemptions can occur through November. Whether people opt to redeem albums- or, the level of redemptions- remains to be seen.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2012 16:45:47 GMT -5
The further we get from that, the less the number will be. That will only be noticeable for a short time. I'll bet you won't even notice the November impact.
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Post by asg4 on Apr 2, 2012 16:46:57 GMT -5
Wouldn't it be hilarious if the sales breakdown shows that Madonna would have beat Lionel either way? Some people in here would suddenly go silent I'm sure. I wouldnt go silent either way because billboard is going about it the wrong way the concert giveways already created problems b4 and they changed it back. now they r flip flopping. Its not about madonna its about fairness. And all the 5-6 madonna stans r here pummeling me and anyone else who talks about fairness. if this is allowed to stand alot of veterans will use this move to manipulate the chart
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Post by closeyoureyes on Apr 2, 2012 16:48:40 GMT -5
All this fuss over an arist who hasn't sold over 2 million albums in the USA since 2001.
Maybe some of you should dig up some Bon Jovi and Tom Petty threads to give them a hard time for doing the same thing. Both veteran acts, both middle aged, both trying to make the best of their extremely long careers after 3 decades. The vitriol is so transparent , lol. None of you are even fans of Lionel Richie.
Let me ask you this- if this were say, The Rolling Stones doing this album promotion, going neck to neck with Lionel,'subsequently beating him thanks to the ticket sales, would any of you have cared? I truly doubt it. This thread wouldn't have gone past 4 pages, probably. But here you all are, crying crocodile tears for Lionel, it's HILARIOUS.
You only care cuz it's Madonna. There there. :)
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Apr 2, 2012 16:54:40 GMT -5
I'm sure that if Shania Twain does this with her new album, MusicSTFan would have no problem with it.
asg4, how is Billboard flip-flopping? I think you are making things up now.
What people above said are correct, the redemption might have been small and Madonna would still be #1.
Let's wait until Wednesday for the figures before we continue with what could be unnecessary drama.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Apr 2, 2012 16:56:52 GMT -5
Bingo. It's not like this album redemption is giving Madonna a million-plus sales week. Her numbers aren't that huge either way so what's the issue? Do we have any LIONEL RICHIE stans on this board who would really be the only ppl with a right to take issue with this? No? Then quit the pot stirring and move on. Now THIS comment kind of pisses me off. You're saying that only FANS are allowed to be angry/upset/annoyed/(negative emotion here) at the way the charts are tabulated? No. This isn't a fan board for any artist. This is primarily a music news/chart board. We only tolerate fandoms of artists here, nothing more. Plenty of people can LEGITIMATELY be upset over this without being a "STAN" or "HATER" *cough*irrational loser*cough*. I'm sorry you feel that way and suggest you change that feeling for this message board. KTHXBAI
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Post by asg4 on Apr 2, 2012 16:57:43 GMT -5
The further we get from that, the less the number will be. That will only be noticeable for a short time. I'll bet you won't even notice the November impact. I am sure 90% of the redemptions r happening this week coz of the pit tix giveaway
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Post by JamaicaFunkΒ² on Apr 2, 2012 16:57:46 GMT -5
Why do you Madonna fans care so much? Let people put their own asterisk next to her #1 in their mind. Billboard/Soundscan won't be putting an asterisk next to the #1 this week. Let people fuss.
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Post by seaguy27 on Apr 2, 2012 16:57:59 GMT -5
Wouldn't it be hilarious if the sales breakdown shows that Madonna would have beat Lionel either way? Some people in here would suddenly go silent I'm sure. I wouldnt go silent either way because billboard is going about it the wrong way the concert giveways already created problems b4 and they changed it back. now they r flip flopping. Its not about madonna its about fairness. And all the 5-6 madonna stans r here pummeling me and anyone else who talks about fairness. if this is allowed to stand alot of veterans will use this move to manipulate the chart If you are playing within the rules of something than you are not manipulating. I do not care what artist does it, if they have fans that are paying to see them in concert and are will to request the album as well so be it. You are making a huge leap in thinking none of those people would not have purchased the album. Paying a minimum of a 75$ to see someone in concert usually means your a fan. Madonna has opened before at #1 without a hit single before and with much more personal backlash against her. American Life did not sell much less than Hard Candy despite not having a hit single. And before someone calls me a Madonna stan and not being objective I would say this about any artist doing this. People are skewing some of the facts about the redemptions and on top of it assuming much about the sales.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2012 16:59:17 GMT -5
The best thing about this thread is how well everybody on both sides is coming off. So much new found respect for all of you!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2012 17:02:51 GMT -5
It's weeks like these when I wish the big release of the week was Nickelback.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2012 17:02:52 GMT -5
What names?
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Apr 2, 2012 17:07:49 GMT -5
PS. Thanks to your meltdown Mr. Haus, I doubt anyone believes you now, lol Anyone or you? Because I think a lot of us have already made our opinion about you, kind sir.
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Post by closeyoureyes on Apr 2, 2012 17:09:14 GMT -5
Not you Billy, that was meant for Haus. He called me a loser, lol. Which is fine, I didn't call him anything or even address him directly, so that's his issue.
Let's not pretend this message board is the beacon of maturity tho. It is known for being a place where fans of every artist come to bicker about chart stats - big deal. If I wanna call some ppl out for being slightly hypocritical it's not a crime, and I definitely don't need to call anyone a loser to do it either,
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2012 17:10:59 GMT -5
PS. Thanks to your meltdown Mr. Haus, I doubt anyone believes you now, lol Anyone or you? Because I think a lot of us have already made our opinion about you, kind sir. Mhmm. This thread got turnt into a mess because of one poster.
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