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Post by asg4 on Apr 3, 2012 15:09:51 GMT -5
If this were Rascal Flatts rather than Madonna at the center of the ticket promotion "scandal", would there be such an uproar? I think they would be uproar if it effected the #1 album. The uproar would be significantly worse if pulse darling Adele was robbed of #1 position. The uproar of prince was less coz he never reached #1 since the sales environment was alot better in 2004 then it is today. But i dont think anyone believed what he was doing was geneiune or fair
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Post by seaguy27 on Apr 3, 2012 15:10:35 GMT -5
^Of course it didn't say that, Music. I stated several pages back that that speculation regarding the ticket prices including cost of the album is jjust that- just as it is for someone to say they're "free." And, I'm well aware of the wording, but thanks. :) Music, I know you do post things other than Shania, but I must say your interest in this particular week and number of posts is astounding. 2m- likely not. No one in business would ever tell the customer the price is included in the larger price even if it is. That is why you can only speculate. The reality of it is you often are paying for something and the price is hidden. Business wants you to think you are getting something for free so the wording needs to be made that way. But in reality they are usually rolling prices in to a larger price with bundling. Nothing is for free guys.
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Post by jumpb4uthink on Apr 3, 2012 15:11:33 GMT -5
Congratulations to Madonna for the top spot and congratulations to Lionel for a very impressive debut from Hits. We' ll see if much changes on the billboard charts tomorrow morning.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2012 15:11:43 GMT -5
^OMG. Do you really care that much? I swear you are about to write a 20 page term paper on this. The question is: Do you really care about it that much that YOU are willing to post repeated times defending it - without any facts - and make unprovoked (and false) accusations toward other posters? You do remember THIS post don't you? It was one of your many posts in this thread. You apparently care about this issue far much more than I do.
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Post by closeyoureyes on Apr 3, 2012 15:18:47 GMT -5
Congratulations to Madonna for the top spot and congratulations to Lionel for a very impressive debut from Hits. We' ll see if much changes on the billboard charts tomorrow morning. Preach. The numbers for both of these performers are extremely impressive no matter how you slice it. If Madonna sold 90% of MDNA through this silly promo, then I'm just happy so many people are gonna be listening to Madonna at yet another creative peak. The good word of mouth will only help it, I guess.
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Post by jumpb4uthink on Apr 3, 2012 15:19:48 GMT -5
If this were Rascal Flatts rather than Madonna at the center of the ticket promotion "scandal", would there be such an uproar? I wouldn't, I would say "get those sales you Rascal." Lol. We need some talk laughs.
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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on Apr 3, 2012 15:19:55 GMT -5
If this were Rascal Flatts rather than Madonna at the center of the ticket promotion "scandal", would there be such an uproar? Does that really negate the validity of the uproar, though?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2012 15:33:25 GMT -5
If this were Rascal Flatts rather than Madonna at the center of the ticket promotion "scandal", would there be such an uproar? If Madonna sold 200k this week, and Lionel sold 360k using ticket sales, blocking Madonna, you know this thread would be an even bigger mess.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2012 15:36:19 GMT -5
wow, so m exceeded the 350 predicted! is this her 2nd highest opening after music?
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Post by HolidayGuy on Apr 3, 2012 15:36:52 GMT -5
Don't know about that, Codex, but I wonder what some would say if it were Madonna releasing an album of re-recorded hits, with a sonic change from the original? I do doubt, though, that an album of all-new Lionel Richie music would have sold as well as Tuskegee. je suis, keep in mind that the SoundScan number could come in a bit lower than HITS. But, if it holds, it would be her second-highest sales week in the SoundScan era (1991-present).
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Post by seaguy27 on Apr 3, 2012 15:39:10 GMT -5
This argument is mute at this point. No one knows how much of Madonna's sales came from the redemption yet and then you would have to realistically think about how many of those ticket redemptions would have still been sales otherwise.
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Post by allow that on Apr 3, 2012 15:40:38 GMT -5
If this were Rascal Flatts rather than Madonna at the center of the ticket promotion "scandal", would there be such an uproar? It Rascal Flatts, Lil' Wayne, Suan Boyle, Kidz Bop, or whomever got to #1 due to a label trick or manipulation of the system... I'm pretty sure you'd still be seeing complaints about it here. The whole point of these threads are to discuss and question how the charts are running.
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Post by closeyoureyes on Apr 3, 2012 15:40:47 GMT -5
If this were Rascal Flatts rather than Madonna at the center of the ticket promotion "scandal", would there be such an uproar? If Madonna sold 200k this week, and Lionel sold 360k using ticket sales, blocking Madonna, you know this thread would be an even bigger mess. Hell, not from my end, I'd be cursing Madlnna and her management for not thinking of that idea first. If Lionel pulled that off and Madge didn't because she simply dropped the ball, then Lionel deserves the #1. And it wouldn't be the first time Madonna was blocked from #1 either. I'd be concerned moreso about how much she sold versus the placement tho, tbh.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2012 15:44:58 GMT -5
If this were Rascal Flatts rather than Madonna at the center of the ticket promotion "scandal", would there be such an uproar? It Rascal Flatts, Lil' Wayne, Suan Boyle, Kidz Bop, or whomever got to #1 due to a label trick or manipulation of the system... I'm pretty sure you'd still be seeing complaints about it here. The whole point of these threads are to discuss and question how the charts are running. You would think so but this is also a 17 page Madonna thread which is why I asked
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Post by HolidayGuy on Apr 3, 2012 15:46:30 GMT -5
Since there are other albums other than the top 2... :)
Why isn't the American Idol digital album on the chart? It was released late in the week, but it did reach top 5 for a few days. Granted, digital album sales aren't comparable to track sales, but, still.
Hopefully Shinedown finishes above 100k with the final numbers. Kinda surprised by The Hunger Games' descent, but not completely unexpected- the album's release coincided with the film's opening week, after all.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2012 15:52:42 GMT -5
if m scored over 157k redemptions to put her ahead of lionel, that is a remarkable accomplishment in itself; this could revolutionize the industry for those handful of elite mega-touring acts that don't get radio play to support their album sales or do tv/print promo but instead are using new ways to get their latest music heard.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Apr 3, 2012 16:00:52 GMT -5
^OMG. Do you really care that much? I swear you are about to write a 20 page term paper on this. The question is: Do you really care about it that much that YOU are willing to post repeated times defending it - without any facts - and make unprovoked (and false) accusations toward other posters? You do remember THIS post don't you? It was one of your many posts in this thread. You apparently care about this issue far much more than I do. I have been posting FACTS. Since the redemption news first came out... You do not FOOL me at all. All 4,000+ plus of your posts here are about Shania Twain. Who just happens to have a single at radio with Lionel Richie! Hmmm... PS: I like the MDNA album. How is the Lionel Richie album?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2012 16:04:44 GMT -5
CONGRATS ON THE NUMBER ONE, MADONNA!
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Post by asg4 on Apr 3, 2012 16:09:06 GMT -5
if m scored over 157k redemptions to put her ahead of lionel, that is a remarkable accomplishment in itself; this could revolutionize the industry for those handful of elite mega-touring acts that don't get radio play to support their album sales or do tv/print promo but instead are using new ways to get their latest music heard. This idea has been tried 8yrs back
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2012 16:14:12 GMT -5
^Of course it didn't say that, Music. I stated several pages back that that speculation regarding the ticket prices including cost of the album is jjust that- just as it is for someone to say they're "free." And, I'm well aware of the wording, but thanks. :) Well, it's nice to know where you stand on Facts vs. Speculation. What you have just said is that you prefer to use "speculation" to defend your opinion about your favorite artist (Madonna). You only seem to care about the Facts, or the "wording" of them, when they benefit your favorite artist (Madonna). The "wording" of the Ticketmaster advertisement clearly signified that the Madonna "promotion" is a giveaway. You admitted you choose to rely on your "speculation" that the 'ticket prices must have been added in' as your basis of supporting this "promotion." I already knew your position, but thank you for confirming it. Moving on... For the record: As I've said, I have been here since 2004. My interest in this General Music News area is not new. In fact, in the past I have started and posted in HITS sales threads before. ( Examples: My September 30, 2006 HITS thread. ...and... My October 2007 HITS thread.) My interest/issue this week is not about "MADONNA!" or any 'diva wars' stuff. It's about fairness, facts, and Billboard's lack of effort in preventing unfair "promotion" tactics that Madonna happens to be a beneficiary of.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2012 16:17:22 GMT -5
if m scored over 157k redemptions to put her ahead of lionel, that is a remarkable accomplishment in itself; this could revolutionize the industry for those handful of elite mega-touring acts that don't get radio play to support their album sales or do tv/print promo but instead are using new ways to get their latest music heard. This idea has been tried 8yrs back and if m really did have this amount of redemptions (not giveaways) then this idea never succeeded at this level until she did it (we won't know for sure till we have a breakdown on the redemptions, though). frankly, not many artists can out-gross madonna with anything tour related, so partnering her music with the tour for her 360 deal with live nation/interscope is brilliant and definitely nothing any other artist has already done or could ever even attempt to replicate at this level. but it certainly gives a huge advantage to madonna.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Apr 3, 2012 16:17:29 GMT -5
What don't you understand, MusicSTFan, about the FACT that Ticketmaster (and whoever) would not say the album is included in the price? They want people to think they're getting something "complimentary," but we know that's not how business works- costs of items are covered, and it comes out of the consumer's pocket, in whichever way it comes out. And I'm very much about the facts- and it is a fact that "complimentary"' items in business are BS.
And we clearly know your position. So, yes... moving on.
Areyouready- that may be true. It is questionable if there would be such opposition from said poster if the No. 2 album didn't have a Shania Twain track on it. But, it is what it is.
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Post by chartfreak on Apr 3, 2012 16:23:19 GMT -5
Can we just ignore MusicSTfan at this point? We get it, they don't like the promotion. Boo Hoo. Move on.
Let's celebrate the return of the Queen to the #1 spot!
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Post by seaguy27 on Apr 3, 2012 16:23:28 GMT -5
^^^^ That is what business and marketing is all about, making the consumer feel their getting more for their money and getting something for free as a bonus. The reality of it is, it is being rolled in to the total costs. As a Business/Accounting major I can guarantee that NO business or a smart one for that matter is going to tell you "oh by the way, were giving you a bonus but were going to roll it in to the final price" lol.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Apr 3, 2012 16:25:40 GMT -5
Yes, chartfreak- 30 years into her career, she's still drumming up plenty of interest for her albums, regardless of whether they're long-lasting hits or not.
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Post by ListenToItTwice on Apr 3, 2012 16:25:48 GMT -5
I'm aware that my favorite artist, Regina Spektor, is using an almost identical promotion (purchase of 2 tickets = free digital album). I'm curious to see if this will bring her sales much higher than the 50k she moved last time around.
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Post by chartfreak on Apr 3, 2012 16:26:58 GMT -5
^^or how it was "purchased"
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Post by chartfreak on Apr 3, 2012 16:27:57 GMT -5
I'm aware that my favorite artist, Regina Spektor, is using an almost identical promotion (purchase of 2 tickets = free digital album). I'm curious to see if this will bring her sales much higher than the 50k she moved last time around. No no no...this is so wrong!
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Apr 3, 2012 16:28:23 GMT -5
^OMG. Do you really care that much? I swear you are about to write a 20 page term paper on this. Why can't people discuss this? This is a discussion forum after all. Stop questioning our discussions and move on.
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Post by asg4 on Apr 3, 2012 16:29:08 GMT -5
This idea has been tried 8yrs back and if m really did have this amount of redemptions (not giveaways) then this idea never succeeded at this level until she did it (we won't know for sure till we have a breakdown on the redemptions, though). frankly, not many artists can out-gross madonna with anything tour related, so partnering her music with the tour for her 360 deal with live nation/interscope is brilliant and definitely nothing any other artist has already done or could ever even attempt to replicate at this level. but it certainly gives a huge advantage to madonna. yes but only a few albums r in the concert giveaway category and if u compare them head to head . There is no way mdna would "sell" 2 million in the long run let alone anything more then 550k
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