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Post by onefrayedrepublic on May 12, 2012 12:11:25 GMT -5
So upset this underperformed. Sigh. Radio sometimes.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2012 12:14:46 GMT -5
It's his best performing single... ???
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2012 14:42:26 GMT -5
It performed a little worse on CHR/Pop than say "Feel So Close" and "Rumour Has It" despite it having much more digital and streaming success than either. So it is fair to call out its radio underperformance even with it being his best performing single on radio.
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Post by Rurry on May 12, 2012 14:49:13 GMT -5
It performed a little worse on CHR/Pop than say "Feel So Close" and "Rumour Has It" despite it having much more digital and streaming success than either. So it is fair to call out its radio underperformance even with it being his best performing single on radio. The radio/iTunes discrepancy has always existed with Bieber's songs. CHR is just not that interested in him for whatever reason. |
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Post by Living Legend on May 12, 2012 14:50:42 GMT -5
It's unfortunate that radio is decreasing its spins but I'd still call it a hit. It's steady digital sales and streaming will probably keep it in the upper area of the Hot 100 for the next 2 months. I think it will sell 3 million by the time the album comes out and 4 million in the end, which is great.
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Post by kml567 on May 12, 2012 15:21:18 GMT -5
This underperformed because the pop climate is in favor of teen-pop (The Wanted, One Direction and Carly Rae Jepsen) and Bieber still can't get a big airplay hit.
If CHR was anti-teen pop like a few years ago when "Baby" was released, it's understandable. But when CHR is playing boybands and teen pop princesses in power rotation, it's disappointing that Bieber still couldn't get a big airplay hit.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2012 15:28:34 GMT -5
It performed a little worse on CHR/Pop than say "Feel So Close" and "Rumour Has It" despite it having much more digital and streaming success than either. So it is fair to call out its radio underperformance even with it being his best performing single on radio. The radio/iTunes discrepancy has always existed with Bieber's songs. CHR is just not that interested in him for whatever reason. His iTunes levels haven't been strong. It's an unfair comparison to compare this song (which has only dipped as low as #7 since release) to other songs of his which bound in and out of the Top 10 at regular intervals. |
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2012 15:31:11 GMT -5
Bieber is the most hated artist in the industry though. No matter how many people like a song, it isn't worth the risk for radio stations to overplay this and lose 20-30% of their audience.
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Post by McCreerian on May 12, 2012 15:35:20 GMT -5
I don't understand why he is so hated. He hasn't done anything wrong or commited some evil crime! He seems to be a very nice guy with a big heart who can sing/write beyond his years. Why do people industry want to hate and pick on a kid, now young adult, just cause he is a kind talented person? Just pure jealousy?
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Post by Rurry on May 12, 2012 15:40:50 GMT -5
The radio/iTunes discrepancy has always existed with Bieber's songs. CHR is just not that interested in him for whatever reason. His iTunes levels haven't been strong. It's an unfair comparison to compare this song (which has only dipped as low as #7 since release) to other songs of his which bound in and out of the Top 10 at regular intervals. Didn't Baby sell 3.5 million? And yet it only peaked at #15 on CHR. Maybe the level hasn't been that extensive but it's definitely been present. |
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2012 16:09:32 GMT -5
His iTunes levels haven't been strong. It's an unfair comparison to compare this song (which has only dipped as low as #7 since release) to other songs of his which bound in and out of the Top 10 at regular intervals. Didn't Baby sell 3.5 million? And yet it only peaked at #15 on CHR. Maybe the level hasn't been that extensive but it's definitely been present. Baby debuted at #3 on digital and then immediately feel off for weeks. It managed to get back into the top 10 of digital a month later due to increased airplay (which rose more steadily than with this single) and the video. It managed to stay in the lower rung of the top 10 for a while thanks to airplay holding steady and the video's viewing steadily increasing for those months. Eventually once the radio exposure died down, so did the digital sales. This song on the other had has remaining in the upper echelons of the digital sales since release being pushing down to #6 a few times and #7 once. Even know, after weeks of leveling off in airplay and now rapid decent is still is #4 on iTunes. It's clear that there is a digital/airplay disconnect with this song that there wasn't with Baby. Baby wasn't a digital monster, it sold steadily and slowly over time due to his increasing fanbase due to his music video. This song on the other hand has been selling like hotcakes compared to Baby without the video being a driving factor for that. |
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Post by oinapead on May 12, 2012 17:10:58 GMT -5
Pop Dj's don't want any strong symbol to disturb their anonymous money flow and Bieber is a strong symbol or has too much meaning beside music. Not that pop radio is about music. But Bieber was and is on the thin line to make it or brake it anyway and the change of Billboard chart methodology just before Bieber released his new single didn't help it also(not getting no 1 song), pop radio is not taking any risks at all, there seemed to be a moment that Bieber will be massive, that's why those brainless pop DJ's played his song, but then they just waited and let the song float so they can be right there to make it super hit or fail it. I actually can imagine a lot of those fat pop DJ's hating this kid Bieber and not to want him to succeed. Now the second single will be really important and it has to be musically very strong, because hype only won't help anymore. I hope that eventually falling from highs won't ruin Bieber's life, but his career might be over rather sooner than later. Will he ever get normal life, what's actually the best thing to be happy, I really hope so. But I hope the best for the guy. Pop radio is drifting too much away from music and pleasing people and turning into money machine crap without any fun. Hopefully they will learn their lesson, when they will find out, that they have lost their biggest audience and reason - humanity.
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Post by Grün on May 13, 2012 2:10:26 GMT -5
This song is still POP. I don't think this is some radical new sound for him. Actually the song is trying to cater to top 40 radio and it did a decent job. Lastly, the song wasnt good so I dont get all the upset that it didn't hit number one.
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Post by Lozzy on May 13, 2012 7:19:40 GMT -5
Pop Dj's don't want any strong symbol to disturb their anonymous money flow and Bieber is a strong symbol or has too much meaning beside music. Not that pop radio is about music. But Bieber was and is on the thin line to make it or brake it anyway and the change of Billboard chart methodology just before Bieber released his new single didn't help it also(not getting no 1 song), pop radio is not taking any risks at all, there seemed to be a moment that Bieber will be massive, that's why those brainless pop DJ's played his song, but then they just waited and let the song float so they can be right there to make it super hit or fail it. I actually can imagine a lot of those fat pop DJ's hating this kid Bieber and not to want him to succeed. Now the second single will be really important and it has to be musically very strong, because hype only won't help anymore. I hope that eventually falling from highs won't ruin Bieber's life, but his career might be over rather sooner than later. Will he ever get normal life, what's actually the best thing to be happy, I really hope so. But I hope the best for the guy. Pop radio is drifting too much away from music and pleasing people and turning into money machine crap without any fun. Hopefully they will learn their lesson, when they will find out, that they have lost their biggest audience and reason - humanity. Must you be so negative? |
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Post by oinapead on May 13, 2012 12:22:56 GMT -5
Pop Dj's don't want any strong symbol to disturb their anonymous money flow and Bieber is a strong symbol or has too much meaning beside music. Not that pop radio is about music. But Bieber was and is on the thin line to make it or brake it anyway and the change of Billboard chart methodology just before Bieber released his new single didn't help it also(not getting no 1 song), pop radio is not taking any risks at all, there seemed to be a moment that Bieber will be massive, that's why those brainless pop DJ's played his song, but then they just waited and let the song float so they can be right there to make it super hit or fail it. I actually can imagine a lot of those fat pop DJ's hating this kid Bieber and not to want him to succeed. Now the second single will be really important and it has to be musically very strong, because hype only won't help anymore. I hope that eventually falling from highs won't ruin Bieber's life, but his career might be over rather sooner than later. Will he ever get normal life, what's actually the best thing to be happy, I really hope so. But I hope the best for the guy. Pop radio is drifting too much away from music and pleasing people and turning into money machine crap without any fun. Hopefully they will learn their lesson, when they will find out, that they have lost their biggest audience and reason - humanity. Must you be so negative?Yep I may seem negative, but actually there is big positivism in my messages, especially if a person cares and does not let go with the crap all around us. But what is absolutely negative is the bullet of Bieber's single and it's definitely too soon, it's still in top 5 itunes, can't those creedy fat DJ's see, that the song is still very popular or why are those DJ's so negative???? |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2012 12:51:24 GMT -5
Lastly, the song wasnt good so I dont get all the upset that it didn't hit number one. There are clearly people outside of Bieber's tween girl fanbase who disagree with you about the song not being good. It's fair for you to have the opinion that it isn't good, but to say you "don't get why people are upset" about its performance, then try to realise your opinion is just an opinion shared by plenty, but not by all. |
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on May 13, 2012 12:57:58 GMT -5
I think because pop radio caters to a very specific audiences while the iTunes numbers are representative of everyone. I think that's why iTunes numbers and sales aren't always indicative of what radio *should* be playing, especially when it comes to a polarizing act like Justin Bieber. I personally think Boyfriend did great on Pop radio considering it's Justin and I also think it could be the beginning of a successful radio era for him but it's not going to be an overnight thing because Justin has such a stigma attached to him. Playing a lot of Justin could still result in people changing the station and that's the one thing PDs don't want.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2012 13:03:35 GMT -5
I would go along with that and even argued that before; but it's gotten to the point that Pop radio has been following iTunes and sales trends more and more with songs like We Are Young and Somebody That I Used To Know. Heck people complained when Gotye was getting +150s because they insisted he deserved +400s (no really, they did) due to his iTunes success. And the trend has been for radio to let go of the "maybe this song is too polarizing" and just spin these hits that aren't what they'd normally touch. So it's reasonable to call out the disconnect.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on May 13, 2012 13:07:59 GMT -5
I do think radio has been "listening" to Itunes more lately, but Gotye/Fun. and others don't have the polarizing stigma that Justin has. It sucks for him though that he is basically one of the biggest pop artists out there who cannot get significant play on pop. I know people will say scrapping top 10 every once in awhile is significant play, but think of all the artists who are handed #1s non-stop when I don't think he has ever even hit top 8 even with huge digital sales, huge tours, and cds that sell well.
I am not sure what they can do to break that stigma though. I thought the video would be an attempt, but then they cut the original version and released a generic typical one. Maybe just the ultimate song that cannot be denied? Or maybe they should just be happy with the occasional top 20 and call it a day.
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Post by oinapead on May 13, 2012 13:10:06 GMT -5
I think because pop radio caters to a very specific audiences while the iTunes numbers are representative of everyone. . What is this specific audience - adsellers? Itunes top 20 and pop charts are pretty much the same songs, only specific songs are glee, voice, urban and country acts. And Bieber is specific only by his personality, but music should not be about personality and if Bieber's music isn't pop, what else is. Do they want some ultra electro generic cheap song from him? |
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Post by oinapead on May 13, 2012 13:15:59 GMT -5
Pop radio wants to show that they still can direct the music scene playing or not playing certain songs, but they might be on the course actually losing their influence as they are already followers not trend makers.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on May 13, 2012 13:36:40 GMT -5
I think because pop radio caters to a very specific audiences while the iTunes numbers are representative of everyone. . What is this specific audience - adsellers? I forget what the age demographic is but something like 16-24 or 18-34 or something along those lines. An audience slightly older than what Justin Bieber (used to) cater(s) to. An important aspect of radio that I think people need to understand is that they're not out to play what people necessarily want to hear but to NOT play what people don't want to hear. An example I always use when I tirelessly mention this every few weeks/months is when the Dixie Chicks were blacklisted from country radio back in 2004. By 2006, many people had gotten over the particular incident but when polled, 20% or so of the country audiences said they would change the station if the Dixie Chicks came on. 20% might not be a lot of people but if a radio station loses 20% of their listeners, that's a MASSIVE drop. Having such a massive drop in listeners DOES result in a loss of revenue from companies and sponsors. Consider that a radio stations' biggest source of revenue comes from advertisements. |
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Post by Felicia on May 13, 2012 14:37:42 GMT -5
'Baby' will remain as his biggest hit. As much as I enjoy this song, I don't think anyone will give a damn about it 3 months later. 'Baby' is still a guilty pleasure for many, this song will not last at all.
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Post by oinapead on May 13, 2012 15:13:22 GMT -5
So there is a big misunderstanding by people, that those songs played by pop radio is nothing about popularity and everything about business and selling adds, let's see how everybody are doing then on a current pop chart:
Fun - We Are Young - they are selling fresh air and maybe also some mountain water
Gotye - Somebody - selling deep emotions
Florida Wild Ones - selling Sia
Nicki Minaj - Starships - selling orbits and curves
The Wanted - Glad You Came - selling a guy next door
One Direction - selling to a girl next door
Katy Perry - Part of me - still selling Teenage Dream
Adele - Rumour Has It - selling washing powder and Fairy to curvy housewives
Carly Rae Jepsen - selling records for Bieber, even if she is even older than Bieber
Kelly Clarkson - Stronger - supporting Adele to reach out the stronger message to housewives
Marron 5 - Payphone - still selling Mick Jagger and maybe mobile phones, definitely not to Christina
Justin Bieber - selling running shoes, but obviously radio is not the right place for this
Calvin Harris - Feels So Close - still Selling "We Found Love"
Karmin - Broken Hearted - selling LA Reed
Train - Drive By - selling cars, somebody has to or economy will collapse
Drake - Take care - selling himself
Rihanna - Where Have You Been - selling fuel for cars
Usher - Scream - fooling the audience giving the impression that this thing is needed to sell
Jennifer Lopez - Dance Tonight - selling over 40ies and singing that at this age life only begins
Pitbull - Back In Time - selling out rap music
Ellie Goulding - Lights - selling the message that pop radio is not about selling
Demi Lovato - Give Your Heart - after listening this kind of song you can sell anything
David Guetta - Titanium - still selling Sia, definitely not titanium
BOB - So Good - selling out himself
Taylor Swift - Eyes Open - selling out a girl next country house door
Havana Brown - We Run the Night - selling silence between hits
Chris Rene - Young Homie - selling internet games
Drake - The Motto - selling records for Lil Wayne telling the truth
Neon Hitch - FU Betta - selling out the F word and maybe to those ones who don't get it
Rita Ora - How We Do - yet to know what to sell
Hot Chelle Rae - Honestly - honestly they can sell anything without flip of a emotion
Gym Class Heroes - Fighter - laughing and selling
Chris Brown - Turn Up the Music - selling turning up not music
Neon Trees - Everybody Talks - selling airwaves between emptiness of dance beats
Kirko Bangz - Drink in My Cup - selling Coca-Cola and maybe to even various ethnic groups
Jason Mraz - I Wont Give Up - yep not giving up to give up "I'm Yours" and it's selling effect
Calvin Harris - Let's Go - selling a little part of Scotland to a melting pot of Americas and Ne-Yos
Grouplove - Tongue Tied - sellind apples and plumbs
Coldplay - Paradise - selling paradise, but radio not buying it
Rihanna - Talk That Talk - almost selling out
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2012 15:18:42 GMT -5
Carly Rae Jepsen - selling records for Bieber, even if she is even younger than Bieber She's 26. |
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Post by josh on May 13, 2012 15:19:00 GMT -5
wtf
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Post by oinapead on May 13, 2012 15:21:24 GMT -5
Carly Rae Jepsen - selling records for Bieber, even if she is even younger than Bieber She's 26. Sorry, you're right. |
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Post by Linnethia Monique on May 13, 2012 15:58:21 GMT -5
oinapead - Selling ignorance on Pulse.
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Post by oinapead on May 13, 2012 16:04:45 GMT -5
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