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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Dec 22, 2010 17:22:17 GMT -5
Wow. That is the dumbest thing I've heard. I'm kind of glad I stopped following the charts and radio stuff when I did because if this were something that happened ten years ago when I *really* cared, I'd be pretty pissed.
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Post by johnnywest on Dec 22, 2010 18:08:23 GMT -5
Gang, here's the word from Seacrest's people: Dec 25th-26th - TOP 40 OF THE YEAR, VER 1 (same for both CHR and Hot AC) Jan 1st-2nd - TOP 40 OF THE YEAR, VER 2 (Fresh Material - same for both CHR and Hot AC) Jan. 8th - 9th - CHR & HOT AC: Regular Show with guest host: KESHA Explanation Ryan used to do a top 100 over two weekends. Apparently, no one wanted to hear songs 50 to 100 . So this year they are doing two Top 40 of the year shows β same songs but different interviews/content. So it is not the same show but each show will feature the same top 40 songs that everyone wants to hear. Kelowna Guy, you're a P.D. correct? Maybe if you complain to Clear Channel, they'll think twice about doing it next year. The more complaints, the better.
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Post by johnnywest on Dec 22, 2010 18:11:12 GMT -5
Last year, they cut out about 4 songs from each half, which I'm pretty sure they announced, but then just didn't play. "Dead and Gone" comes to mind for that, which was strange as it was so high (#12 I think), but yet that's what they did. They can choose what they feel are the worst songs to play and just skip them altogether if they must, or rather just play 30-60 seconds of those songs so we still get to hear a bit, but not taking 3-4 minutes of "precious" airtime. Just to clarify, that was your local station, not AT40, that cut out those 7 songs. I was able to get a copy of it and all 100 songs (plus last year's #1) were included.
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Post by friday on Dec 22, 2010 18:27:28 GMT -5
"Illogical" would probably be a compliment to describe this move. So, basically, they still want to have 8 hours' worth of interviews, gossip, and whatnot, but want to fit it into 4 hours' worth of songs. In other words, they want to have their cake and eat it too. I mean, they could have sold a more legitimate reason to shorten the year-end review, and maybe some of us would have accepted it, but the quasi-rerun on New Year's Day totally invalidates any argument they might have made. Come up with something for the second weekend if it's not a regular chart. "Top Songs of the Last 40 Years," "Most Mentioned Chart Acts in Us Weekly in 2010," I don't care. But this might be the lamest possible thing they could have done.
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Post by richie on Dec 22, 2010 19:07:28 GMT -5
They actually might get worse ratings for the second week's "no suspense" countdown, than they would have for the 100-51 week.
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Post by at40forever on Dec 22, 2010 20:04:25 GMT -5
Gang, here's the word from Seacrest's people: Dec 25th-26th - TOP 40 OF THE YEAR, VER 1 (same for both CHR and Hot AC) Jan 1st-2nd - TOP 40 OF THE YEAR, VER 2 (Fresh Material - same for both CHR and Hot AC) Jan. 8th - 9th - CHR & HOT AC: Regular Show with guest host: KESHA Explanation Ryan used to do a top 100 over two weekends. Apparently, no one wanted to hear songs 50 to 100 . So this year they are doing two Top 40 of the year shows β same songs but different interviews/content. So it is not the same show but each show will feature the same top 40 songs that everyone wants to hear. Absolutely stupid and pointless >:(
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Dec 22, 2010 21:07:01 GMT -5
They actually might get worse ratings for the second week's "no suspense" countdown, than they would have for the 100-51 week. I think for the most part, and correct me if I'm off base here but I think when AT40 make their show, the song positions and suspense part of it have nothing to do with what the show is about. If it was about the chart itself then they would be doing a Top 100. The chart positions and suspense now is secondary to the interviews, gossip and simply playing as many of the Power Rotation songs as they can. That's why they have extras throughout and a no-recurrent rule, because they need to have a constant upkeep of high rotation songs over the course of 4 hours. So unfortunately, I don't think ratings will be lower because of the lack of original "countdown" because that's not what their focus is anymore.
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Post by richie on Dec 22, 2010 22:05:48 GMT -5
I think for a lot of people, AT40 is their only source of chart information. I don't think the music is secondary, but just not as prominent as in earlier years. The extras are usually somewhat older than the chart songs. I don't think I'll be tuning in to the second week of this year-end thing.
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Post by shadster on Dec 22, 2010 23:09:52 GMT -5
Perhaps this decision was made becuz x-mas day is on Saturday...........and there may be some stations that ONLY air AT40 on Saturday (I can't think of a single one), an thus would NOT be able to air the show as basically every station goes all x-mas on X-mas day. And then MaYbE next year we will again get a full top100?!?! Wishfull thinking perhaps, but at least an island of opportunity in an ocean of diharrhea
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Dec 23, 2010 0:05:42 GMT -5
but at least an island of opportunity in an ocean of diharrhea Is that an actual expression or are you borrowing from a Jason Mraz track? ;)
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Post by friday on Dec 23, 2010 0:34:49 GMT -5
Perhaps this decision was made becuz x-mas day is on Saturday...........and there may be some stations that ONLY air AT40 on Saturday (I can't think of a single one), an thus would NOT be able to air the show as basically every station goes all x-mas on X-mas day. And then MaYbE next year we will again get a full top100?!?! Wishfull thinking perhaps, but at least an island of opportunity in an ocean of diharrhea I know KBKS in Seattle does, and that's a valid point actually. The only real benefit from doing this is if someone missed the countdown on Christmas weekend, they have an opportunity to catch it again on New Year's weekend. Of course, if that's true, then next year they'd do the same thing to placate stations who only air the show on Sundays, when Christmas will fall in 2011. My guess is if stations don't want to air the year-end shows, then they just don't. I remember, when Casey Kasem was still hosting in the early 2000s, Z100 never aired the year-end specials, claiming Casey was "on vacation this week." That's changed with the current incarnation of the show. But maybe that's another reason for the switch, to give stations that normally drop the year-end shows a chance to air the special one week and still insert their own programming the other week.
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Post by Lozzy on Dec 23, 2010 8:02:10 GMT -5
Gang, here's the word from Seacrest's people: Dec 25th-26th - TOP 40 OF THE YEAR, VER 1 (same for both CHR and Hot AC) Jan 1st-2nd - TOP 40 OF THE YEAR, VER 2 (Fresh Material - same for both CHR and Hot AC) Jan. 8th - 9th - CHR & HOT AC: Regular Show with guest host: KESHA Well, this sucks. So, other than different "filler", we're getting the exact same chart two weeks in a row? That's about the dumbest thing I've ever heard. >:( We'll I did. And, evidently, so did everyone else who responded to this thread. Apparently, we're nobody. So this year they are doing two Top 40 of the year shows β same songs but different interviews/content. So it is not the same show but each show will feature the same top 40 songs that everyone wants to hear. Complete bull, I say. The 100-51 half of the year-ender has always been my favorite part of the show because (a) the rankings are less predictable and (b) most of the songs haven't been played to death a million times over. Is the "average pop radio listener" really that brain dead that they have the hear the exact same overplayed songs over-and-over-and-over again? (Clearly, the answer is "yes", but I'm being rhetorical) (Sorry for the rant, but I needed to vent...still bitter though. ) Fully agree with that. I take back any slight understanding of why they would just do a top 40 if they're scrapping 41-100 for the same chart two weeks in a row!?!? That just shows they'll do anything to give the massive hits that extra spin. The lower half was always my favourite part, just like Cerebro said, because it was quite unpredictable, so there was a lot of suspense, and especially in the past when I didn't download every song I could think of, I would hear forgotten moderate hits that I loved. Last year I still enjoyed the top 50, but it wasn't the same because every song had been played to death.
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Post by Lozzy on Dec 23, 2010 8:08:28 GMT -5
Perhaps this decision was made becuz x-mas day is on Saturday...........and there may be some stations that ONLY air AT40 on Saturday (I can't think of a single one), an thus would NOT be able to air the show as basically every station goes all x-mas on X-mas day. And then MaYbE next year we will again get a full top100?!?! Wishfull thinking perhaps, but at least an island of opportunity in an ocean of diharrhea I know KBKS in Seattle does, and that's a valid point actually. The only real benefit from doing this is if someone missed the countdown on Christmas weekend, they have an opportunity to catch it again on New Year's weekend. Of course, if that's true, then next year they'd do the same thing to placate stations who only air the show on Sundays, when Christmas will fall in 2011. My guess is if stations don't want to air the year-end shows, then they just don't. I remember, when Casey Kasem was still hosting in the early 2000s, Z100 never aired the year-end specials, claiming Casey was "on vacation this week." That's changed with the current incarnation of the show. But maybe that's another reason for the switch, to give stations that normally drop the year-end shows a chance to air the special one week and still insert their own programming the other week. That's still not a logical reason. What have they done in past years like this? (That's not a rhetorical question.) A lot of stations seem to already air AT40 twice, such as WNKI on Saturday mornings and Sunday afternoons, giving people a bigger chance to hear the show. The stations that want to air the Christmas weekend show but can't do it on Christmas day can easily give their regular hosts the day off and play it on Monday sometime. There's absolutely no valid excuse that I can see.
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Post by Lozzy on Dec 23, 2010 8:12:28 GMT -5
They actually might get worse ratings for the second week's "no suspense" countdown, than they would have for the 100-51 week. I think for the most part, and correct me if I'm off base here but I think when AT40 make their show, the song positions and suspense part of it have nothing to do with what the show is about. If it was about the chart itself then they would be doing a Top 100. The chart positions and suspense now is secondary to the interviews, gossip and simply playing as many of the Power Rotation songs as they can. That's why they have extras throughout and a no-recurrent rule, because they need to have a constant upkeep of high rotation songs over the course of 4 hours. So unfortunately, I don't think ratings will be lower because of the lack of original "countdown" because that's not what their focus is anymore. I don't expect much, if any, of a ratings drop. Most of the people that listen are probably just casual listeners tuning in on the way to work or something like that - and they wouldn't care about what song is where or that the show was recorded early or that the breakouts were purged last year like we do. And the majority of listeners obviously love the power songs like "California Gurls," "Dynamite," etc., so they'd be happy to hear those songs again, and not trying to be arrogant or anything, but I wouldn't be surprised if half of them don't even notice.
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Post by Lozzy on Dec 23, 2010 8:13:05 GMT -5
Last year, they cut out about 4 songs from each half, which I'm pretty sure they announced, but then just didn't play. "Dead and Gone" comes to mind for that, which was strange as it was so high (#12 I think), but yet that's what they did. They can choose what they feel are the worst songs to play and just skip them altogether if they must, or rather just play 30-60 seconds of those songs so we still get to hear a bit, but not taking 3-4 minutes of "precious" airtime. Just to clarify, that was your local station, not AT40, that cut out those 7 songs. I was able to get a copy of it and all 100 songs (plus last year's #1) were included. Oh, lucky!
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