3 Doors Down - "Everytime You Go"

[HereIsGone]

Apr 20, 2011 17:02:11 GMT -5 halo19 said:

One word short of a hot Paul Young remake.

Apr 23, 2011 22:31:01 GMT -5 atlantaboy said:

This is like a remake of that 80s song "Every Time You Go Away...You Take A Piece Of Me With You..." - if this gets big, they might have a lawsuit coming

Hey, what do you know? It's the same song.

[halo19]

The similarities are closer in song lyrics than in the actual structure. It's not the first case of it though.

[Nicholas2.0]

Apr 20, 2011 17:02:11 GMT -5 halo19 said:

One word short of a hot Paul Young remake.

That's what I think every time I read the song title! Would've spoken up, but I thought it was too big of a stretch, especially for a song I'm only aware of from hearing its hook in one of those '80s compilation CD ads shown regularly on TV back in the day.

To my credit, though, there is a slight pause in Young's song before he sings "away," so that most definitely factors into why I mentally finish his lyric whenever I read the 3 Doors Down title.

[thataveragejoe]

Not sure where everyone hears Here Without You...certainly sounds much more like It's Not My Time. Definitely better than When You're Young, but still too safe. Hot AC will be all over it.

[HereIsGone]

May 11, 2011 9:28:28 GMT -5 thataveragejoe said:

Not sure where everyone hears Here Without You...certainly sounds much more like It's Not My Time. Definitely better than When You're Young, but still too safe. Hot AC will be all over it.

Subject matter-wise.

Also, 8 adds this week.

[jvandyck87]

I expect that its peak positions will be similar to "When You're Young" but with a more sustained run on the chart. (Basically what "Train" did from their last album).

[HereIsGone]

Yeah. That sounds about right. It probably won't rocket up as fast but at least there aren't any big songs that I know of going for adds in the near future at the caliber of Rope or Country Song.

[lockebox]

Top 50 - Active

61 49 3 DOORS DOWN - Every Time You Go 91 51 40 0.265

[pen]

May 11, 2011 21:00:21 GMT -5 HereIsGone said:

Yeah. That sounds about right. It probably won't rocket up as fast but at least there aren't any big songs that I know of going for adds in the near future at the caliber of Rope or Country Song.

Fair To Midland's Musical Chairs.

(fingers crossed)

[jvandyck87]

May 13, 2011 10:12:31 GMT -5 pen said:

May 11, 2011 21:00:21 GMT -5 HereIsGone said:

Yeah. That sounds about right. It probably won't rocket up as fast but at least there aren't any big songs that I know of going for adds in the near future at the caliber of Rope or Country Song.

Fair To Midland's Musical Chairs.

(fingers crossed)

Right on, brotha.

But I think you and I have to root for longevity, because rocketing up the chart with one legitimate hit four years ago and with the new single being promoted by their new label E1 is an impossible scenario.

[Devin]

Enough of this bulls**t, I must listen to this!

*listens to "Musical Chairs"*

It's pretty good! I hear a Skillet/Breaking Benjamin/Alter Bridge combo to it, but that's just me.

[HereIsGone]

May 13, 2011 10:12:31 GMT -5 pen said:

Fair To Midland's Musical Chairs.

(fingers crossed)

Ehhh....probably not. It's not bad by any means, but I severely doubt it'll go that high. Maybe late teens or something.

[lockebox]

May 13, 2011 10:21:49 GMT -5 Devin said:

Enough of this bulls**t, I must listen to this!

*listens to "Musical Chairs"*

It's pretty good! I hear a Skillet/Breaking Benjamin/Alter Bridge combo to it, but that's just me.

Noooooooo. More System of a Down, Tool & Porcupine Tree. ;) I can hear 80's influences in the vocals, too.

[pen]

May 13, 2011 10:26:01 GMT -5 HereIsGone said:

May 13, 2011 10:12:31 GMT -5 pen said:

Fair To Midland's Musical Chairs.

(fingers crossed)

Ehhh....probably not. It's not bad by any means, but I severely doubt it'll go that high. Maybe late teens or something.

You gotta believe!

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Yeah. I quoted that.

[jvandyck87]

May 13, 2011 10:43:20 GMT -5 lockebox said:

May 13, 2011 10:21:49 GMT -5 Devin said:

Enough of this bulls**t, I must listen to this!

*listens to "Musical Chairs"*

It's pretty good! I hear a Skillet/Breaking Benjamin/Alter Bridge combo to it, but that's just me.

Noooooooo. More System of a Down, Tool & Porcupine Tree. ;) I can hear 80's influences in the vocals, too.

I hear what both of you are saying. They kinda mix modern active rock with prog metal and nu-metal influences and cool classical piano lines. To me it's hard to compare Darroh's vocals to anyone, especially if you see him live. Glad you dug it, Dev. :)

EDIT: And I hear you, Mat on the Porcupine Tree of course. PT and Fair To Midland are both in my all time top 5 favorite bands.

And Dev, if you ever have time to check out an album that I think you'll dig start to finish, Fair To Midland's Fables From A May Fly from '07 is probably for me the most consistent album to come out in the last five years. It's the only record in that time period that I've loved EVERY song off of. (except for Porcupine Tree's Fear Of A Blank Planet, but that only has 6 songs on it). But from the amount that I know so far of your taste, I think Fair To Midland would be more up your alley. FTM has a bit of a folk element, which adds to my feeling that they'd be up your alley. They call themselves Progressive Folk-metal on myspace.

[Shadows in the Dark]

I really hope this can perform well despite "When You're Young" flopping. This has hit written all over it.

[Devin]

Well I definitely hear the nu-metal/christian rock sound on "Musical Chairs", with the violin/cello/piano and heavy guitar riffs and Benjamin-like vocals during the verses, but I hear a System of a Down/Incubus thing in "Dance of the Manatee" (which I checked out after ;) ). I think it'll grow if I keep listening, but it's interesting. And I love interesting.

[HereIsGone]

May 13, 2011 11:28:15 GMT -5 Shadows in the Dark said:

I really hope this can perform well despite "When You're Young" flopping. This has hit written all over it.

I do hope this does some damage too but I gotta wonder. Is it really considered flopping if the song reached 9 on Active? I mean, aside from their lead singles, it's pretty much on the higher end of the chart runs overall.

[Devin]

^ It reached #12 on active. It reached #9 on Mainstream Rock Tracks.

[jvandyck87]

I think it did reach top 10 on active mid-week and I think it peaked in the top 10 and even possibly at #9 on BDS active rock, so she might not technically be wrong.

If by "flop" you mean, "non-hit", then the song probably wasn't a flop. If by flop you mean, "a performance significantly worse than should have been expected, then it was just a straight-up "flop". However, I felt the last few years that they were becoming less relevant, and that "It's Not My Time" just came out at the right time to be a hit. "When You're Young" coming out in '08 probably would have done better.

[HereIsGone]

May 13, 2011 17:09:17 GMT -5 jvandyck87 said:

I think it did reach top 10 on active mid-week and I think it peaked in the top 10 and even possibly at #9 on BDS active rock, so she might not technically be wrong.

If by "flop" you mean, "non-hit", then the song probably wasn't a flop. If by flop you mean, "a performance significantly worse than should have been expected, then it was just a straight-up "flop". However, I felt the last few years that they were becoming less relevant, and that "It's Not My Time" just came out at the right time to be a hit. "When You're Young" coming out in '08 probably would have done better.

Sorry, I meant Billboard's chart (it's the only thing that's listed on Wiki to be able to compare with past singles). Should have clarified.

But in any case, whenever I think of flop, I mean what would be considered poor performance on the chart in general, not attached to a band per se, so I meant in terms of what you said about the hit/non-hit. Although I will certainly admit that the peak position was lower than I'd anticipate.

[jvandyck87]

But I think your definition of flop is one that'd be unfair to a lot of bands. If a brand new band has a lead single that hits #25, that's not a flop. If 3 Doors Down did, it would be. So I think you have to at least mix some of the second definition in. To what degree, that's where things become much more subjective.

[HereIsGone]

Well, yeah. I'd adjust for new bands who've never really charted before, but on the other hand, you can't say that 3 Doors Down flopped because their lead single didn't follow the pattern of those from past albums. Disappointing? Yes. Flop? No. That was the point I was trying to make.

[jvandyck87]

I think you could make a case that it flopped. You just wouldn't, partly because you like the band, and partly because you may have different standards for what constitutes a flop. Time will tell a bit, but if six months from now no one's playing the song and the album appears to already be essentially done at radio, then that would indicate a substantial enough downturn in popularity that in the grand scheme of their career would be considered by many people a flop. The fact that this album seems to just have them retreading the same ol' same ol', I can't say I'm that surprised by it. I honestly believe that 3 Doors Down releasing the heavier and more unique sounding "Citizen/Soldier" to promote the National Guard in movie theaters helped "It's Not My Time" overachieve and led to an era that was overall more successful than the previous one at rock radio.

[HereIsGone]

May 13, 2011 20:04:55 GMT -5 jvandyck87 said:

I think you could make a case that it flopped. You just wouldn't, partly because you like the band, and partly because you may have different standards for what constitutes a flop. Time will tell a bit, but if six months from now no one's playing the song and the album appears to already be essentially done at radio, then that would indicate a substantial enough downturn in popularity that in the grand scheme of their career would be considered by many people a flop. The fact that this album seems to just have them retreading the same ol' same ol', I can't say I'm that surprised by it. I honestly believe that 3 Doors Down releasing the heavier and more unique sounding "Citizen/Soldier" to promote the National Guard in movie theaters helped "It's Not My Time" overachieve and led to an era that was overall more successful than the previous one at rock radio.

Oh, trust me, I know a flop run when I see one, regardless if it's a band I like. It's happened recently and I was so pissed off. But you're right. My definition is probably not the same as someone else's.

I'm just getting so tired of assuming bands are done at radio because of one weak/weaker single. It gets my goat.

[jvandyck87]

Well calling this song a flop doesn't mean this band is done at radio. And you're admitting that you have an emotional attachment as you used the phrases "pissed off" and "gets my goat". But the idea that you know a flop run when you see one as if to say this isn't one...you're right it's not an outright flop, but it underperformed at all of their radio formats. I think the most devastating thing is how it performed at Hot AC. That's why I'd say it's a flop. Every album thus far has had multiple top 5 hits at Hot AC or had a top 3 hit. Their lead singles chronologically hit #4, #3, #3, and #1 on the Billboard Adult top 40 chart according to wikipedia. For this song to not even reach the top 25, especially considering it's not one of their heavier songs, in addition to it being EASILY their lowest charting single at EVERY format...there are way too many arguments to support it being a flop to say that it factually wasn't. I also agree that it was popular enough for you to make your argument, but I think you'd be in the minority opinion unfortunately. :/

EDIT: I will add that even if this entire era proves to be a dramatic downturn in success for 3 Doors Down, they've shown that they can rebound. S/T was a solid rebound at radio following the drop-off of Seventeen Days. Unfortunately this time, they've dropped off a lot further, so they'll be needing a successful 2nd or 3rd single to avoid falling from contemporary relevance. Their next era, they may be aged underdogs. Luckily for them, they're the type of band that could do some damage as old guys haha.

[HereIsGone]

May 13, 2011 20:39:26 GMT -5 jvandyck87 said:

Well calling this song a flop doesn't mean this band is done at radio. And you're admitting that you have an emotional attachment as you used the phrases "pissed off" and "gets my goat". But the idea that you know a flop run when you see one as if to say this isn't one...you're right it's not an outright flop, but it underperformed at all of their radio formats. I think the most devastating thing is how it performed at Hot AC. That's why I'd say it's a flop. Every album thus far has had multiple top 5 hits at Hot AC or had a top 3 hit. Their lead singles chronologically hit #4, #3, #3, and #1 on the Billboard Adult top 40 chart according to wikipedia. For this song to not even reach the top 25, especially considering it's not one of their heavier songs, in addition to it being EASILY their lowest charting single at EVERY format...there are way too many arguments to support it being a flop to say that it factually wasn't. I also agree that it was popular enough for you to make your argument, but I think you'd be in the minority opinion unfortunately. :/

EDIT: I will add that even if this entire era proves to be a dramatic downturn in success for 3 Doors Down, they've shown that they can rebound. S/T was a solid rebound at radio following the drop-off of Seventeen Days. Unfortunately this time, they've dropped off a lot further, so they'll be needing a successful 2nd or 3rd single to avoid falling from contemporary relevance. Their next era, they may be aged underdogs. Luckily for them, they're the type of band that could do some damage as old guys haha.

Dude, you're reading more into this than I'd intended. When I was wondering why people thought it was such a flop, I meant on Active alone. I am not talking about Hot AC or even Alternative. Just Active.

Quite frankly, I'm not surprised at When You're Young's lack of success on Hot AC. Format's gone to hell with all the CHR crap filtering through. It's not conducive to rock crossovers. Hell, Three Days Grace's Lost In You is struggling to even get top 40. It's not just 3 Doors Down there.

Besides, this is not the worst-performing single they've had. That dubious honour goes to Landing In London.

Edit: When I said that I hate people assuming bands are done after a bad single, I meant that it's annoying when people are quick to assume doomsday scenarios for the rest of the album they have not even heard yet when the lead single doesn't do well.

[jvandyck87]

May 13, 2011 21:08:53 GMT -5 HereIsGone said:

Besides, this is not the worst-performing single they've had. That dubious honour goes to Landing In London.

Hehe I guess, but you're comparing a 5th single to a lead single. I'd like to see what a 5th single off any of their other albums would have done. I would think that they would have performed similarly to LIL.

[HereIsGone]

Oh, I am definitely aware of it. But I figure, if you make the claim like that and it's not technically true, well, it's up for correction like anything else. I mean, people were trying to correct me earlier so it goes both ways. Nothing personal. :)

But yeah, 5th singles...don't usually happen.

Ironically enough, they had considered making it the lead single for Seventeen Days. Now that would have been a reeeeally bad decision.

[jvandyck87]

Probably true. Though I hated "Let Me Go", which was the song I'd blame for beginning their decline from superstar status that Away From The Sun had pretty much cemented them. However, I don't know of anything on Seventeen Days that would have been a better choice at continuing their dominance.

Don't worry though, I'm not gonna call "Let Me Go" a flop hehe.