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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2011 22:41:00 GMT -5
Love me some Janet, but she'll never be in MJ's league.
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Post by Bluemargay on May 21, 2011 11:38:00 GMT -5
I don't know if many can name her songs off the top of their heads. With Michael there's Thriller, Beat It, Bad, Billie Jean, Rock With You, Wanna Be Starting Somethin, Black or White
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2011 11:39:11 GMT -5
I don't know if many can name her songs off the top of their heads. With Michael there's Thriller, Beat It, Bad, Billie Jean, Rock With You, Wanna Be Starting Somethin, Black or White It makes sense because Janet's Gold airplay is abysmal for someone who achieved her level of success, while Michael's classics still get played.
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Post by Bluemargay on May 21, 2011 11:42:23 GMT -5
I also laughed when someone Janet was the most influential Black woman of the past 30 years. I guess that person never heard of Oprah
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Post by MikeCheck12 on May 21, 2011 11:49:13 GMT -5
^ Oprah makes music?
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Post by Mr. Wonder on May 23, 2011 7:14:33 GMT -5
^^^That's what happens when you don't read LOL
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Post by flo on Jun 16, 2011 11:34:46 GMT -5
What I was thinking. What was Oprah's last record? I don't recall ???
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Post by HEADOFTHEPACK on Jun 16, 2011 11:48:00 GMT -5
Three pages on and we're still using figures to answer this question; Janet is definitely up there, no two ways about it, but the simple answer is no. Nor is she on par with Madonna. I don't want to downplay her influence (it's there), just to put it in perspective. Her success seems very condensed into a shorter period of time when you start throwing Madonna and MJ into the mix ie. potentially the most influential solo pop artists. It's just not the same, but that's hardly a criticism.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Jun 16, 2011 23:39:54 GMT -5
Janet lasted longer than Michael, so that has to be commended. It's just that Michael's singles were more HUGE than Janet's.
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Post by Mr. Wonder on Jun 16, 2011 23:58:38 GMT -5
^^^Michael lasted longer. Speaking on their break out albums, OTW - Invincible - 22 years; Control - All For You - 15 years.
What has helped Janet in the past few years is her acting, which has helped elongate her overall success while her music success is lacking as of now.
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Post by David on Jun 17, 2011 1:18:50 GMT -5
What I was thinking. What was Oprah's last record? I don't recall ??? Shittin On Them Hoes (featuring Da Brat). Did you not get her debut album "Richest Bitch In Da World"?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2011 1:48:08 GMT -5
^^^Michael lasted longer. Speaking on their break out albums, OTW - Invincible - 22 years; Control - All For You - 15 years. What has helped Janet in the past few years is her acting, which has helped elongate her overall success while her music success is lacking as of now. Off the Wall may have been Michael's first hugely successful album but he had top 5 hits in the US (as a solo artist) dating back 8 years before Off the Wall was released. His first 4 solo albums are also estimated to have sold somewhere in the neighborhood of 15M worldwide. If you were to look at top 10 hits on the Hot 100, Michael's streak was from 1971-2001 (30 years). Janet's was from 1986-2001 (15 years). Michael's period of success lasted much longer. I don't see how people can even debate that.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Jun 17, 2011 13:43:11 GMT -5
from the start of Janet's career onward, she lasted longer. MJ fizzled out in the mid-90's. I don't count Invincible as "continuing his streak of success" cuz it was a major flop in my eyes. Janet, however, continued to be successful past the mid-90's until 2001 or so. She had 2 top 5's (one being #1), whereas MJ had YRMW, which hit #10, but that was not viewed as a work of art by any means. Janet's were more credible. She lasted longer than her brother. You ask anyone outside of Pulse and they'll say Janet outlasted her brother.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2011 13:51:36 GMT -5
from the start of Janet's career onward, she lasted longer. MJ fizzled out in the mid-90's. I don't count Invincible as "continuing his streak of success" cuz it was a major flop in my eyes. Janet, however, continued to be successful past the mid-90's until 2001 or so. She had 2 top 5's (one being #1), whereas MJ had YRMW, which hit #10, but that was not viewed as a work of art by any means. Janet's were more credible. She lasted longer than her brother. You ask anyone outside of Pulse and they'll say Janet outlasted her brother. Michael's music career spanned from 1970 to 2009 (39 years). Janet's so far has spanned from 1982 to 2010 (28 years). The obvious fact is that Michael's career was cut short by his death, but he remained very relevant for the first 30 years of his career. Not only that, but he was selling out show after show in a huge arena when his concert tickets went on sale in 2009. Janet is touring theaters right now, and she hasn't had a Top 10 hit in 10 years. Her last 3 albums were total flops. Michael's "flop" album Invincible got him a Top 10 Hot 100 hit and another single that was a #2 R&B hit. Even if you're just counting years in the music business regardless of whether or not they were years as one of the top pop stars, Michael still had more years in the music business. Edit to respond to your edit: Janet's music career started 12 years after Michael's started, so I don't see how you can say she "lasted longer" just because she was bigger in the late 90's and 2001. He had 15 years of actual success as a pop star before Janet even broke through with Control. That's like saying Sean Kingston's career outlasted Aretha Franklin's because he had hits from 2007-2009 and Aretha didn't.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Jun 17, 2011 13:59:48 GMT -5
when have i ever said "when you add up the years all together, Janet has more?" The last true Michael Jackson hit was You Are Not Alone. That hit #1 in 1994. The Free Willy crap, and You Rock My World are hardly seen as relevant entries. Janet hit #1 2001 with All For You, and #4 with "Someone To Call my Lover". That was the end of her streak. Anything past that were flops. So Michael 1994, and Janet 2001. I'm not counting "total years in the biz". I'm saying Janet stayed more culturally relevant much longer than MJ.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2011 14:01:46 GMT -5
That reasoning makes absolutely no sense. That's like saying Sean Kingston's career outlasted Aretha Franklin's because he had hits from 2007-2009 and Aretha didn't.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Jun 17, 2011 14:08:01 GMT -5
LASTED longer, keyword being "lasted". MJ could've very well remained on top if he put out good music. But he didn't. Age has no relevance. Look at Madonna. She trumps them both.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2011 14:14:04 GMT -5
LASTED longer, keyword being "lasted". MJ could've very well remained on top if he put out good music. But he didn't. Age has no relevance. Look at Madonna. She trumps them both. Michael sold out 50 dates at the O2 arena in a matter of minutes back in 2009. Janet is touring theaters right now. He had a rerelease of a 25 year old album enter the Billboard 200 at #2 in 2008 (the same position 2/3 of Janet's last "studio" albums entered). Michael was hardly irrelevant in the years right before his death.
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Post by David on Jun 17, 2011 14:16:57 GMT -5
You are making absolutely no sense. Michael's career lasted almost 40 years. Janet's has lasted almost 30. How is 30 > 40?
BUT.. I think I see what you're getting at. You're saying Michael's career lasted from 1970-1994 (since that was his last big hit), while Janet's lasted from 1982-2001. Which, btw.. Still doesn't give Janet more years. 1970-1994 = 25 years and 1982-2001 = 20 years.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2011 14:19:57 GMT -5
By the way "You Are Not Alone" hit #1 in late 1995, not 1994. You are making absolutely no sense. Michael's career lasted almost 40 years. Janet's has lasted almost 30. How is 30 > 40? BUT.. I think I see what you're getting at. You're saying Michael's career lasted from 1970-1994 (since that was his last big hit), while Janet's lasted from 1982-2001. Which, btw.. Still doesn't give Janet more years. 1970-1994 = 25 years and 1982-2001 = 20 years. No his argument is Michael's last huge hit was in 1995 and Janet's last hit was in 2001, therefore 2001 was a later year than 1995 and so Janet's career lasted longer. I could say Katy Perry's career lasted longer than The Rolling Stones because Katy has a Top 10 hit right now and The Rolling Stones had their last Top 10 hit in 1990. It just sounds utterly ridiculous.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Jun 17, 2011 14:20:03 GMT -5
from the start of Janet's career onward, she lasted longer. MJ fizzled out in the mid-90's. I don't count Invincible as "continuing his streak of success" cuz it was a major flop in my eyes. Janet, however, continued to be successful past the mid-90's until 2001 or so. She had 2 top 5's (one being #1), whereas MJ had YRMW, which hit #10, but that was not viewed as a work of art by any means. Janet's were more credible. She lasted longer than her brother. You ask anyone outside of Pulse and they'll say Janet outlasted her brother. You're just re-writing history. You Rock My World not only did it hit #10 it also was nominated for a grammy. Janet didn't outlast Michael. Michael was on the scene in the 1960's. Janet didn't even get her first hit single until 1986. The last hit single by either of them was Butterflies which hit #14 on the HOT 100 without a video or single. Janet's last hit the Top 15 on the HOT 100 in 2001 with Someone To Call My Lover which hit #3. Everything Janet released after that has flopped. You have so many facts wrong it's hard to even take your post seriously.
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Jun 17, 2011 14:23:08 GMT -5
What I was thinking. What was Oprah's last record? I don't recall ??? s**ttin On Them Hoes (featuring Da Brat). Did you not get her debut album "Richest Bitch In Da World"? I sure got my copy; thanks to Oprah's Favorite Things. She was even the IT Girl that year. Good times.
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Post by Live Your Life on Jun 17, 2011 14:26:47 GMT -5
No.
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Post by David on Jun 17, 2011 14:32:22 GMT -5
By the way "You Are Not Alone" hit #1 in late 1995, not 1994. You are making absolutely no sense. Michael's career lasted almost 40 years. Janet's has lasted almost 30. How is 30 > 40? BUT.. I think I see what you're getting at. You're saying Michael's career lasted from 1970-1994 (since that was his last big hit), while Janet's lasted from 1982-2001. Which, btw.. Still doesn't give Janet more years. 1970-1994 = 25 years and 1982-2001 = 20 years. No his argument is Michael's last huge hit was in 1995 and Janet's last hit was in 2001, therefore 2001 was a later year than 1995 and so Janet's career lasted longer. I could say Katy Perry's career lasted longer than The Rolling Stones because Katy has a Top 10 hit right now and The Rolling Stones had their last Top 10 hit in 1990. It just sounds utterly ridiculous. Oh. That was my first thought, but then I was like.. His argument can't be THAT ridiculous..
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Post by PDC1987 on Jun 17, 2011 14:37:16 GMT -5
Janet lasted longer than Michael, so that has to be commended. It's just that Michael's singles were more HUGE than Janet's. Come back when Janet sells out 50 dates at the O2 arena or has a re-release of her 25 year old album scan over 500,000 in the US. If you add up the number of years between "Ben" and the US/international hits he got from Invicible/Number Ones even that blows Janet out of the water.
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Post by HEADOFTHEPACK on Jun 17, 2011 14:38:23 GMT -5
I could say Katy Perry's career lasted longer than The Rolling Stones because Katy has a Top 10 hit right now and The Rolling Stones had their last Top 10 hit in 1990. It just sounds utterly ridiculous. Essentially, yes. It doesn't hold up as an argument. Janet's musical career has been redundant since 2001, whereas MJ still has massive selling power. Invincible can only really be seen as a disappointment when its sales are compared to his earlier works (ie. some of the best-selling albums ever?). Just because Janet potentially had a later, more credible (whatever that means) hit than her brother, it does not make her the artist with the most longevity. You're gonna have to look a bit further back than the 80s, I'm afraid.
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Post by PDC1987 on Jun 17, 2011 14:39:28 GMT -5
when have i ever said "when you add up the years all together, Janet has more?" The last true Michael Jackson hit was You Are Not Alone. That hit #1 in 1994. The Free Willy crap, and You Rock My World are hardly seen as relevant entries. Janet hit #1 2001 with All For You, and #4 with "Someone To Call my Lover". That was the end of her streak. Anything past that were flops. So Michael 1994, and Janet 2001. I'm not counting "total years in the biz". I'm saying Janet stayed more culturally relevant much longer than MJ. YRMW and Butterflies were both hits at the appropriate radio formats and the album scanned over 2 million. The new track on Number Ones was a hit in various international territories.
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Jun 17, 2011 14:43:51 GMT -5
The longest career belongs to Adele since she currently has the #1 song and album. End of argument.
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Post by Lockheart on Jun 17, 2011 14:47:30 GMT -5
For the record, Michael's last song that was a "hit" was You Rock My World (very underrated imo). It was top 10 and his album Invincible sold over 2 million.
I honestly believe Janet is an icon in her own right, but they are just not in the same level as Michael. US and Worldwide, Michael moonwalks over Janet's career. Michael has contributed more to music, pop culture and racial equality than did Janet.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Jun 17, 2011 14:48:27 GMT -5
you people are impossible. for the last time, I'm NOT talking about total years in the business. When have i ever said anything even remotely close to that? MJ could've totally been making #1 smashes past You Are Not Alone, but his mainstream music career ended THERE. Janet's lasted until 2001. Any big star can go on a tour and sellout, all the big names do it (relatively speaking, of course). And no, you can't say Katy Perry vs. The Rolling Stones because they aren't even remotely comparable. The Rolling Stones stopped having mainstream hits years and years ago. MJ stopped having mainstream hits in 1995. Janet in 2001. I'm not talking about total years, MJ clearly wins that. If MJ would've had a #1 hit in 2002 than he would win. But he didn't. I don't care what re-issues of albums occurred, cuz that is not the point. That didn't mean you'd hear an MJ song on CHR radio. I'm not saying "who's career started earlier and lasted the longest." In the early to mid-90's, both MJ and Janet were having mainstream success on radio. Then MJ fizzled away and Janet kept having success. SHE LASTED LONGER. Why is that so hard to understand?
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