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Post by PDC1987 on May 9, 2011 18:30:14 GMT -5
The answer to the question in the topic title is a flat-out NO.
There is no debate here.
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Post by tshawn74 on May 10, 2011 13:38:44 GMT -5
I think that Janet is one of the most iconic figures of our time. I don't think her death will have the same coverage as Michael. But, I do believe that when she's gone, her life WILL BE celebrated. She's been very successful in her own right and has accomplished a hell of a lot in her career:
CONTROL: *Youngest black female to have a no.1 Pop album *First album from a female to land five Top 5 Pop singles *First album from a female to land six Top 40 singles *First album to land five no.1 singles on the R&B charts
RHYTHM NATION: *Miss You Much became the first single to simultaneously hit no.1 on the Dance, Pop and R&B charts. *First album to land four no.1 singles on the Dance charts. *First album to land seven Top 5 singles on the Pop charts. *First album from a female to land seven Top 40 singles on the Pop charts *First album from a female to land seven Top 10 singles on the Pop charts *First album from a female to land seven Top 10 singles on the R&B charts *Black Cat becomes the first single to simultaneously hit no.1 on the Pop and Rock charts *First album to have a no.1 Pop single on three different calendar years *Rhythm Nation Tour becomes the most successful debut tour in history.
janet.: *First album from a female to debut at no.1 (Soundscan era) *First week sales of 350,000 were the highest for a female at that time. *That's the Way Love Goes becomes the first single to debut at no.1 on the R&B Airplay charts *First artist to have three consecutive albums score five or more Top 10 Pop singles each *You Want This becomes Janet's 15th Gold single, surpassing a record long held by Aretha Franklin
Design of a Decade: *Scream duet with Michael becomes the first single to debut in the Top 5 on the Pop charts *Runaway becomes the first single from a female to debut in the Top 10 on the Pop charts
The Velvet Rope: *First album from Janet's record-breaking $80 million dollar deal with Virgin Records *I Get Lonely becomes Janet's 18th consecutive Top 10 Pop single. A record for a female
All For You: *Janet's fifth consecutive no.1 Pop album. A record for a female. *First week sales of 605,128 is the highest of her career and the highest for a black female at the time. *All for You becomes the first single to simultaneously be added to every CHR/Pop, CHR/Rhythmic, and CHR/Urban station that reports to Billboard. A record 333 stations added the song on the very first day of release.
20 Y.O.: *Call On Me debuts @no.19 on the R&B Airplay charts. The highest debut since TLC's No Scrubs (which debuted @no.13). *Call On Me becomes Janet's 30th Top 10 R&B single. Tied with R. Kelly among artists with the most Top 10 R&B singles since 1992. *Call On Me becomes Janet's 16th no.1 R&B single ranking her 5th among artists with the most no.1 R&B singles and 2nd, behind Aretha Franklin, among females with the most no.1 R&B singles.
Discipline: *First black female to score six no.1 Pop albums. *Ranked by Billboard as the 7th most successful artist in Billboard history and 3rd most successful female.
Number Ones: *Make Me becomes Janet's 19th no.1 Dance single. A record for a black female. *Ranked by Billboard as the 5th most successful R&B artist of the last 25 years. *Janet becomes the first artist to have a no.1 single on any Billboard chart in the '80s, '90s, '00s, and '10s.
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Post by K Newman on May 10, 2011 16:21:18 GMT -5
janet.:*First album from a female to debut at no.1 I don't think this is correct.
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Post by Dammn Baby on May 10, 2011 22:51:15 GMT -5
janet.:*First album from a female to debut at no.1 I don't think this is correct. The first time in the Soundscan era. Not sure about prior to that.
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Post by Verisimilitude on May 10, 2011 23:00:49 GMT -5
I don't think this is correct. The first time in the Soundscan era. Not sure about prior to that. I believe it was Whitney's Houston's "Whitney" album that first accomplished that feat in 1987.
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Post by Dammn Baby on May 10, 2011 23:06:48 GMT -5
The first time in the Soundscan era. Not sure about prior to that. I believe it was Whitney's Houston's "Whitney" album that first accomplished that feat in 1987. That is correct. And it was the fifth album by a solo artist to do so.
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Post by MikeCheck12 on May 14, 2011 11:29:15 GMT -5
When you consider just Black females who have made their debut in the last 30 years, she definitely stands out. Without a doubt. If we carve it out to African American females of the past 30 years, who is more influential than Janet Jackson? ?
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Post by tshawn74 on May 14, 2011 15:24:21 GMT -5
When you consider just Black females who have made their debut in the last 30 years, she definitely stands out. Without a doubt. If we carve it out to African American females of the past 30 years, who is more influential than Janet Jackson? ? NOBODY!!!
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Post by marcjm on May 14, 2011 22:06:26 GMT -5
When you consider just Black females who have made their debut in the last 30 years, she definitely stands out. Without a doubt. If we carve it out to African American females of the past 30 years, who is more influential than Janet Jackson? ? I think Whitney Houston could be the one who is slightly more influential than Janet. She influenced the whole big-voiced style that so many singers-male and female-have employed. Plus, she was able to have undeniable success on the charts and became a household name. Janet and her are close, but Whitney edges her out though.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on May 14, 2011 22:57:21 GMT -5
Without a doubt. If we carve it out to African American females of the past 30 years, who is more influential than Janet Jackson? ? I think Whitney Houston could be the one who is slightly more influential than Janet. She influenced the whole big-voiced style that so many singers-male and female-have employed. Plus, she was able to have undeniable success on the charts and became a household name. Janet and her are close, but Whitney edges her out though. Britney Spears, Beyonce, DC, Justin Timberlake, Puff Daddy and just about every other new comer under the sun has been influenced by Janet. Whitney hasn't influenced anyone. The big voiced singers of today were largely influenced by Mariah not Whitney.I can't think of a single artist who was influenced by Whitney honestly.
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Post by tshawn74 on May 15, 2011 8:09:08 GMT -5
I think Whitney Houston could be the one who is slightly more influential than Janet. She influenced the whole big-voiced style that so many singers-male and female-have employed. Plus, she was able to have undeniable success on the charts and became a household name. Janet and her are close, but Whitney edges her out though. Britney Spears, Beyonce, DC, Justin Timberlake, Puff Daddy and just about every other new comer under the sun has been influenced by Janet. Whitney hasn't influenced anyone. The big voiced singers of today were largely influenced by Mariah not Whitney.I can't think of a single artist who was influenced by Whitney honestly. me either. The labels weren't looking for the next Whitney, they were looking for the next Janet and you can see that with all of the copycats that came after her.
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Post by Kishi KCM on May 15, 2011 11:42:20 GMT -5
Whitney's influence >>> Mariah + Janet's influence
Fact.
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Post by atlantaboy on May 15, 2011 13:48:53 GMT -5
Whitney's influence >>> Mariah + Janet's influence Fact. Ehhh...aside from The Bodyguard, and maybe her debut album, I feel like most of Whitney's albums have been extremely un-influential I'd say Mariah is the most influential name on that list, by far
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2011 14:27:16 GMT -5
Before Whitney you really did not have any big voiced female R&B artists crossing over in the way that Whitney Houston was. I mean who came closest before her? Donna Summer? She's tied so heavily to dance music that I don't think anyone was looking for the "next Donna Summer" by the mid 80s. After Whitney, big voiced female R&B artists became common place throughout the late 80s and 90s.
It has nothing to do with individual albums. Who would say they were heavily influenced by The Bodyguard when the style of that music is very similar to the rest of Whitney's music? People who were influenced by Whitney Houston were influenced by Whitney's blueprint not any particular album.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on May 15, 2011 14:32:38 GMT -5
This has been a good discussion. I came in here expecting to find annoying fighting and stuff but it's been a good debate.
My two cents would involve all of her achievements, while definitely worth mentioning but they all seem limited to only chart achievements. What has Janet offered pop culture the way MJ or Madonna have?
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Post by stunnedout on May 15, 2011 21:48:55 GMT -5
No Janet isnt as much of a icon as Michael but she has def. made her contribution.
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Post by Kishi KCM on May 15, 2011 22:42:57 GMT -5
What has Janet offered pop culture the way MJ or Madonna have? Dance. While Michael already had "Thriller" and "Beat It" as iconic choreographed numbers, Janet kicked the door down with the "Control" and "Rhythm Nation" eras, having full-fledged dances in her dance videos. Many acts who made their debut after 1986 have taken a page out of Janet's book - choreography, musical arrangements, wardrobe/style, and stage performance. Some of today's biggest artists like Alicia Keys, Beyonce, Britney Spears, Chris Brown, Christina Aguilera, Ciara, Fergie, Jennifer Lopez, Keri Hilson, Lady GaGa, Nicki Minaj, P!nk, Rihanna, and Usher have been inspired by her.
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Post by Mr. Wonder on May 16, 2011 2:34:39 GMT -5
Janet's influence outweighs Whitney - and if it's convenient for Mariah to be Black right now - and Mariah's influence.
In you look at the most influential Black females, it doesn't get any bigger than Aretha and Janet imo. If we're looking at females as a whole, Janet ranks quite high on the totem pole; up there with Aretha, Madonna, and others.
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Post by K Newman on May 16, 2011 10:41:16 GMT -5
Before Janet's last few albums/nipplegate, she was my favorite female artist. I am still a fan though and will defend her if needed. But even I know that no, she is not as much of an icon as MJ. And even I know, that she hasn't even had as big imapct/influence as Whitney either.
In terms of female artists of the last 30 years, Madonna is obviously first. Whitney is a distant second. And Mariah and Janet battle it out for a distant third. I'd give the edge to Janet between her and Mariah though. I don't even know who would be fifth.
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Post by K Newman on May 16, 2011 10:44:58 GMT -5
]Britney Spears, Beyonce, DC, Justin Timberlake, Puff Daddy and just about every other new comer under the sun has been influenced by Janet. Whitney hasn't influenced anyone. The big voiced singers of today were largely influenced by Mariah not Whitney.I can't think of a single artist who was influenced by Whitney honestly. Actually, except TImberlake and PDiddy, those names also mention Whitney. In terms of musical history, the "big-voiced" singers are credited to Whitney over Mariah, largely due to timing. Whitney came first, so influenced Mariah and (Celine) and the rest. Both have admitted it too.
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Post by K Newman on May 16, 2011 10:46:43 GMT -5
Some of today's biggest artists like Alicia Keys, Beyonce, Britney Spears, Chris Brown, Christina Aguilera, Ciara, Fergie, Jennifer Lopez, Keri Hilson, Lady GaGa, Nicki Minaj, P!nk, Rihanna, and Usher have been inspired by her. I'm curious, has Lady Gaga mentioned Janet as an influence?
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Post by K Newman on May 16, 2011 10:48:19 GMT -5
Janet's influence outweighs Whitney - and if it's convenient for Mariah to be Black right now - and Mariah's influence. In you look at the most influential Black females, it doesn't get any bigger than Aretha and Janet imo. If we're looking at females as a whole, Janet ranks quite high on the totem pole; up there with Aretha, Madonna, and others. Janet isn't up there with Aretha and Madonna. She's made a huge impact, but not on Aretha level to be honest. I personally give her the edge over Mariah, but it's debatable, a good argument could be made for Mariah.
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Post by ♫.Fan on May 16, 2011 15:29:11 GMT -5
Janet was the 5th wheel in the pop scene at her prime, and way behind MJ. Oh, and about Whitney she influenced the main spectrum of pop, the fad Gaga, the legend Xtina, and the icon Britney among others - LB: Who is your greatest inspiration musically? BS: Whitney Houston. I've loved her since I was a kid. - www.harpersbazaar.com/magazine/cover/britney-spears-talks-gossip-and-family
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Post by Mr. Wonder on May 16, 2011 18:32:33 GMT -5
Janet's influence outweighs Whitney - and if it's convenient for Mariah to be Black right now - and Mariah's influence. In you look at the most influential Black females, it doesn't get any bigger than Aretha and Janet imo. If we're looking at females as a whole, Janet ranks quite high on the totem pole; up there with Aretha, Madonna, and others. Janet isn't up there with Aretha and Madonna. She's made a huge impact, but not on Aretha level to be honest. I personally give her the edge over Mariah, but it's debatable, a good argument could be made for Mariah. Yes Janet is. When you think of Black women in the industry, Janet ranks among Aretha, not in the same rank literally, but she's definitely very high on the totem pole. And yes, Janet is up there with Madonna. The same artist who have cited Madonna as an inspiration have also cited Janet. Case and point, Britney Spears. The media likes to put on this charade that Britney is so influenced by Madonna when in reality she's nothing more than a Janet clone. And Gaga has spoken on Janet.
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Post by Kishi KCM on May 16, 2011 19:33:45 GMT -5
^ Thank you!! And Britney has mentioned Whitney, Mariah, MJ, Madonna, and Janet on different occasions as her inspiration. I doubt there's any performer out there who looks up to just ONE artist. Janet always cites MJ and her brothers as her inspiration, but it's clear that she's taken notes from Tina Turner, Cher, Diana Ross, Donna Summer, and even Stevie Wonder.
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Post by Peaches. [Ch, r. is] on May 16, 2011 19:39:18 GMT -5
So many post and none really answer the question... and the answer is still pretty clearly "no"
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Post by Kishi KCM on May 16, 2011 20:01:40 GMT -5
So many post and none really answer the question... and the answer is still pretty clearly "no" Um, many of us wrote "no".
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Post by Mr. Wonder on May 16, 2011 21:36:48 GMT -5
^^^That's what happens when you don't read LOL; and in regards to Britney, it's clear Janet is her biggest influence.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on May 17, 2011 11:36:14 GMT -5
^^^That's what happens when you don't read LOL; and in regards to Britney, it's clear Janet is her biggest influence. When Britney said she wanted to be Janet, she was serious. Whitney never had the credibility in the street world that Janet or even Michael did. Janet targeted herself as a more street female version of Michael Jackson. Among African American females of the last 30 years Janet's influence far outweighs the rest of the field...including Whitney.
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Post by Mr. Wonder on May 17, 2011 16:08:12 GMT -5
^^^That's what happens when you don't read LOL; and in regards to Britney, it's clear Janet is her biggest influence. When Britney said she wanted to be Janet, she was serious. Whitney never had the credibility in the street world that Janet or even Michael did. Janet targeted herself as a more street female version of Michael Jackson. Among African American females of the last 30 years Janet's influence far outweighs the rest of the field...including Whitney. Yes at MTV Icon. Britney even performed "Nasty" and "Black Cat" on her first tour. The only thing Whitney has contributed to the industry is her voice. She only has one landmark album (her debut). All of the clones Control produced, right down to the R&B teen queens of the 90s all cited Whitney as an influence, but it's clear as their careers progressed, they became more and more Janet influence. And in a current worlds of performers where powerhouse singers are nearly obsolete, Janet's influence radiates more in pop culture than Whitney's.
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