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Post by ingrownhairdyke on May 31, 2011 6:53:36 GMT -5
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Post by nardy08 on May 31, 2011 7:04:22 GMT -5
Ashanti?
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Post by nardy08 on May 31, 2011 7:10:43 GMT -5
Full Moon - 476,262 That is also incorrect, the album sold a little over 700k in the first few months alone and ended around 1.15 sold(and has a platinum cert.)
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Post by MikeCheck12 on May 31, 2011 8:01:22 GMT -5
Has Janet's "Number Ones" crossed 200,000 yet?
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Post by HolidayGuy on May 31, 2011 9:02:43 GMT -5
^I'd guess that it has not reached 200K quite yet. Someone else posted an update for Britney Spears' The Single Collection- if accurate, it's scanned some 14K since January. Madonna's Celebration was at 274K through early January, and it's now at almost 290K. So, I'd guess that Number Ones has not crossed 200K as of yet, since it was at 176K through mid-January. If it did, that would mean an average of 1,100 or so a week. Unless the tour has bumped up sales any. PTB? :)
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Post by Push The Button on May 31, 2011 9:38:28 GMT -5
Full Moon - 476,262 That is also incorrect, the album sold a little over 700k in the first few months alone and ended around 1.15 sold(and has a platinum cert.) This is the number that is in Soundscan's database.
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Post by HolidayGuy on May 31, 2011 9:58:25 GMT -5
Billboard has reported 1 million+ for Full Moon, so maybe there's another edition lost in the SS system or something.
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on May 31, 2011 10:08:01 GMT -5
-- Rankings based on (units sold/album): Whitney Houston (4.821 million/album) Celine Dion (4.416 million/album) Carrie Underwood (4.100 million/album) Britney Spears (3.963 million/album) Beyonce (3.671/album) Mariah Carey (3.439 million/album) Kelly Clarkson (2.664 million/album) Christina Aguilera (2.554 million/album) Pink (2.157 million/album) Jennifer Lopez (1.680 million/album) Rihanna (1.386 million/album) It's late and these are a lot of small numbers that I plugged into the calculator. So if there's any miscalculation let me know! I think Whitney's are off. I'm getting 2.485
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Post by slw84 on May 31, 2011 14:19:15 GMT -5
Thanks! Never thought Brandy was so low. Especially, since her debut is certified 4x platinum. I guess the music clubs make up the difference. And nearly all of Janet's titles should be re-certified. But that's really up to the label/artist. When you count the music clubs:p Control: 6x platinum Rhythm Nation: 8x platinum janet: 8x platinum Design of a Decade: 4x platinum The Velvet Rope: 4x platinum All For You: 3x platinum Since when did design of a decade and velvet rope need to be recertified. Aren't they a little over 3 million.
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Post by PDC1987 on May 31, 2011 14:26:56 GMT -5
The record sales for TVR and DoaD make them eligible for another cert, Janet sold really well at record clubs.
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Post by HolidayGuy on May 31, 2011 14:29:42 GMT -5
^Well, if BMG figures are accurate (I only question the lack of titles selling in a certain range- surely there would be more than a handful of titles selling in between 300K-4500K, for example)- that's roughly 1.5 million tacked onto the 2.4m+- so, in theory, it's probably eligible for a 4 million cert. The Velvet Rope has scanned more than 3m, and with club sales and such, it could have shipped 4m. Janet's albums on Virgin were regular price, so that normally would mean lesser sales than those that were available for discounts or as free selections, etc.
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Post by Mr. Wonder on May 31, 2011 18:01:56 GMT -5
The figures BMG issued had Janet at a little over 3 million albums there. With Soundscan and said club numbers, Janet's RIAA total is at minimum 36 million. Why there's no priority to re-certify her prior albums is beyond me. It really downplays the success she's had.
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Post by HolidayGuy on May 31, 2011 22:09:49 GMT -5
^I don't think it would be much more than 35m-36m.
if an act isn't on a label any longer, it's not a priority to certify product. That occurred once Janet left A&M, and the same with Virgin. I mean, it's possible a label may certify product from an act who's no longer with the label- it's happened- but in this day and age, when labels are not certifying many older albums- I wouldn't expect it.
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Post by Mr. Wonder on Jun 1, 2011 0:47:54 GMT -5
36 million is confirmed based on press releases and RIAA. There's really no telling how many albums A&M and Virgin shipped out to music clubs and what not. So it would be plausible for her certifications to hover around the 40 million mark.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Jun 1, 2011 9:12:31 GMT -5
^You mean the same press releases that said 20 million worldwide for the janet. album? (That's at least 4m, if not more, higher than the actual total) I haven't seen a breakdown of reported U.S. sales from any outlet- has there been an official one? 35m, 36m6- not much of a difference. But i can see 36m, based on these estimates: an additional million for Control, possibly 2 for RN, 2 for DOAD, maybe 3m for janet. (definitely 2m) and 1m for TVR. (3m for All For You is a no-brainer, as it has scanned more than 3m). Looks like 36m is most plausible, unless for some reason her first album shipped 500K, which would tack on another .5. 40m would be too high.
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Post by dawhite76 on Jun 1, 2011 9:38:28 GMT -5
Do you have data for the truly "ultimate" divas - Barbra Streisand, Diana Ross, Olivia Newton-John and Linda Ronstadt? I appreciate their heydays pre-date the Soundscan era. But, it would be interesting to see how these "pioneer" divas have fared since.
Thanks!
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Post by PDC1987 on Jun 1, 2011 10:43:12 GMT -5
36 million is confirmed based on press releases and RIAA. There's really no telling how many albums A&M and Virgin shipped out to music clubs and what not. So it would be plausible for her certifications to hover around the 40 million mark. Press releases don't count. A press release for Mariah's last Xmas album called MOAIA/E=MC2 "global multi-platinum albums," and we all know about MJ's estate trying to claim that Thriller has sold 104 million copies in every press release possible when in fact even Sony claims it's in the 60 million range. Janet would be in the mid-30 million range if her RIAA album certs were up to date. Her SoundScan sales and record club sales are all known.
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Post by slw84 on Jun 1, 2011 20:23:55 GMT -5
^Well, if BMG figures are accurate (I only question the lack of titles selling in a certain range- surely there would be more than a handful of titles selling in between 300K-4500K, for example)- that's roughly 1.5 million tacked onto the 2.4m+- so, in theory, it's probably eligible for a 4 million cert. The Velvet Rope has scanned more than 3m, and with club sales and such, it could have shipped 4m. Janet's albums on Virgin were regular price, so that normally would mean lesser sales than those that were available for discounts or as free selections, etc. Ok, if we are including BMG sales than that works. Based on soundscan it seemed like she barely cross 2 and 3 million to go up in certs.
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Post by Lockheart on Jun 1, 2011 20:28:09 GMT -5
I just think that labels nowadays aren't as competitive as before. Nowadays, you'd only have one major artist per label/sub label. Back then, labels would boast of having a couple of major artists under their belt. Hence, certification isn't on top of their priority.
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Post by Mr. Wonder on Jun 2, 2011 11:17:55 GMT -5
Unfortunately I wasn't talking about press releases from record labels. So yeah. =\
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Jun 2, 2011 11:59:39 GMT -5
Press releases don't count. A press release for Mariah's last Xmas album called MOAIA/E=MC2 "global multi-platinum albums," How is that not true? ???
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Post by HolidayGuy on Jun 2, 2011 12:09:56 GMT -5
^Well, lumping the albums together and calling them "multi-platinum" albums is a bit much. Combined, they shipped more than 3m.
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Jun 2, 2011 12:27:44 GMT -5
^Well, lumping the albums together and calling them "multi-platinum" albums is a bit much. Combined, they shipped more than 3m. E=MC2 is multiplatinum on its own. A bit of a stretch yes, but techinically they're not lying. Unless they mentioned Memoirs being multiplatinum on its own.
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Post by NO WIRE HANGERS! on Jun 3, 2011 23:02:42 GMT -5
Do you have data for the truly "ultimate" divas - Barbra Streisand, Diana Ross, Olivia Newton-John and Linda Ronstadt? I appreciate their heydays pre-date the Soundscan era. But, it would be interesting to see how these "pioneer" divas have fared since. Thanks! I'd love this - especially for Barbra, as I'm a huge fan.
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Post by PDC1987 on Jun 3, 2011 23:32:24 GMT -5
Press releases don't count. A press release for Mariah's last Xmas album called MOAIA/E=MC2 "global multi-platinum albums," How is that not true? ??? Care to explain how it is true?
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Post by marcjm on Jun 5, 2011 15:49:08 GMT -5
I wonder can we get Soundscan numbers for Patti LaBelle, Aretha Franklin, Diana Ross-the iconic soul divas who made their debut in the 1960s?
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Post by badrobot on Jun 5, 2011 23:00:40 GMT -5
Why is platinum being referred to globally anyway? It's a different sales level for platinum in every country, and there is no "worldwide" platinum certification.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2011 23:26:22 GMT -5
I think what the label meant to say is that both albums hit platinum status in more than one country each, which is practicially true.
Memoirs: Platinum in Brazil and South Korea E=MC²: Platinum in Canada and the United States
But I agree, the press release is pretty misleading.
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Jun 6, 2011 12:08:54 GMT -5
^Exactly. But technically they are not lying.
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