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Post by SAY IT RIGHT on Aug 2, 2007 0:39:40 GMT -5
Im not gonna read a whole essay about Fantasia and/or Jennifer Hudson. I dont need anything to be put in perspective. I have a better grasp of the charts then most people here. Its great that Fantasia got a r&b #1 but outside of the r&b world no1 cares. Thats the bottom line. It has nothing to do with how I feel about it or what I personally think makes a song a success. Unless you are hitting the pop charts you are not seen as a real success. U do realize that over half of the country doesnt even know "when i see u" exists? J Records needs to promote her song at pop in order for her to have an imapct outside fo the r&b world. Thats all to it. #1 at r&b is an accomplishment but until it crosses over, its just another r&b song.
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Post by jamaicantasiaboy on Aug 2, 2007 7:11:53 GMT -5
Im not gonna read a whole essay about Fantasia and/or Jennifer Hudson. I dont need anything to be put in perspective. I have a better grasp of the charts then most people here. Its great that Fantasia got a r&b #1 but outside of the r&b world no1 cares. Thats the bottom line. It has nothing to do with how I feel about it or what I personally think makes a song a success. Unless you are hitting the pop charts you are not seen as a real success. U do realize that over half of the country doesnt even know "when i see u" exists? J Records needs to promote her song at pop in order for her to have an imapct outside fo the r&b world. Thats all to it. #1 at r&b is an accomplishment but until it crosses over, its just another r&b song. Shut Up
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Post by necola on Aug 2, 2007 7:13:11 GMT -5
Im not gonna read a whole essay about Fantasia and/or Jennifer Hudson. I dont need anything to be put in perspective. I have a better grasp of the charts then most people here. Its great that Fantasia got a r&b #1 but outside of the r&b world no1 cares. Thats the bottom line. It has nothing to do with how I feel about it or what I personally think makes a song a success. Unless you are hitting the pop charts you are not seen as a real success. U do realize that over half of the country doesnt even know "when i see u" exists? J Records needs to promote her song at pop in order for her to have an imapct outside fo the r&b world. Thats all to it. #1 at r&b is an accomplishment but until it crosses over, its just another r&b song. Shut Up LOL
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Post by Kishi KCM on Aug 2, 2007 7:42:00 GMT -5
I agree with Say It Right though. It's wrong to hold Fantasia out from music listeners and pigeonhole her to strictly Urban stations. Everyone should be able to hear her music and decide for themselves how they feel instead of it being dictated for us. She'll just be written off as unsuccessful if she doesn't have any mainstream or rhythmic support.
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Post by mel46 on Aug 2, 2007 7:43:46 GMT -5
maybe we should request it at pop stations and hopefully they pic it up
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Post by jamaicantasiaboy on Aug 2, 2007 7:47:43 GMT -5
maybe we should request it at pop stations and hopefully they pic it up not a bad idea
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Post by mel46 on Aug 2, 2007 8:37:02 GMT -5
PROOF "ONLY ONE U" IS GOING FOR ADDS NEXT WEEK!!! URBAN URBAN AC
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Post by jewel88 on Aug 2, 2007 9:10:31 GMT -5
Most everyone has already said that in this thread. We agree with it, however, it is also wrong to discount her r n b hit.
You should write J records.
I'm sure she laughs at this statement when she looks at her bank account and housing arrangements.
Seriously, she probably would have been written off as unsuccessful regardless of whether the song is sent to pop or rhythmic. Some people define success in record sales (the album could suck but if you sale, it turns excellent some how) if you aren't 3 times platinum many people do discount the success, but that's the ignorant. She does not get the promo to go three times platinum.
Perhaps J didn't send her song to Rhythmic and Pop because they know she only has a few copies of her cd in circulation. Really, there is no need to have a cross genre hit when you only have 60k copies available for sale.
Hopefully they will do her right on album #3 and hopefully this unexpected #1 r & b hit will at least make THEM take notice. As it has MANY of us. Kind of hard to ignore an song that's been #1 for six weeks, billboard does write about it every week so their is some mainstream mention of it.
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Post by jewel88 on Aug 2, 2007 10:13:20 GMT -5
too bad you didn't read it, you could have learned something about the R n B chart and how hard it is to get a #1 hit on that chart.
ETA: At least now I see why you sound so ignorant and closed minded. You don't read, you just like to spew YOUR opinion. I didn't read your's either, only the first line that I quoted. But my reasoning is that you sound a bit full of yourself.
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Post by SAY IT RIGHT on Aug 2, 2007 10:48:13 GMT -5
#1 at r&b is an accomplishment but until it crosses over, its just another r&b song.
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Post by SAY IT RIGHT on Aug 2, 2007 10:48:48 GMT -5
I agree with Say It Right though. It's wrong to hold Fantasia out from music listeners and pigeonhole her to strictly Urban stations. Everyone should be able to hear her music and decide for themselves how they feel instead of it being dictated for us. She'll just be written off as unsuccessful if she doesn't have any mainstream or rhythmic support. Exactly my point. Thanks
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Post by Kishi KCM on Aug 2, 2007 11:04:46 GMT -5
No problem. But I won't take away Fantasia's accomplishment from her either. 6 weeks @ #1 on a major format chart is a laugh in the face to all her haters. Only One U will do fine and once again prove what Tasia can do!
I also agree with ~~Only~One~U~~ about the lack of circulation of her album. That's a hurdle that can be solved by the label, but they don't seem to be 100% behind her or any of their artists.
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Post by SAY IT RIGHT on Aug 2, 2007 12:15:33 GMT -5
I never said #1 at r&b wasnt an accomplishment, but of course the Fanny addicts want to take it to another level. The point was "when I see u" needs to crossover and her label needs to push it. People like Aretha Franklin who has the most R&B hits from any artist & the most R&B Grammys of any aritst, had dozens of crossover hits which is why her songs are ANTHEMS and are known outside of the r&b genre. They need to try and get Fantasia to that level.
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Post by michael7627 on Aug 2, 2007 16:12:28 GMT -5
if say it right was actually 100% correct that half the country doesn't know about the song then she would not be in the top 40 on the billboard HOT 100 and now she is @ # 32 so unlike you I know how the charts exactly work...u were right until u typed that this song is unknown to half the country...if it was # 1 and not even close to the top 40 then you would be correct!
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Post by SAY IT RIGHT on Aug 2, 2007 16:35:31 GMT -5
Actually, the reason she moved up the Hot 100 is because the rules changed last week and downloads count less on the Hot 100. Downloads were counting double for the last year or so. I'm glad she has moved up but she still hasnt crossed over and judging from her airplay and downlaods, half the country still doesnt know this song. But I guess u know everything, eventhough I have worked in radio andother media outlets. ;)
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Post by jewel88 on Aug 2, 2007 17:49:17 GMT -5
you really are beginning to look a little desperate. STILL even before the rules changed she still made it to #42 on the hot 100. The song is STILL gaining in AI's so it might have eventually hit the top 40 so that still makes you wrong with or without the new rules, more then half the country does know about her song as Michael pointed out.
Now why don't you run along?
Oh that's right, Top 40 Hit and #1 R n B, so now perhaps you can stop saying how much of a hit it isn't. It's an all around hit.
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Post by jamaicantasiaboy on Aug 2, 2007 17:51:37 GMT -5
Actually, the reason she moved up the Hot 100 is because the rules changed last week and downloads count less on the Hot 100. Downloads were counting double for the last year or so. I'm glad she has moved up but she still hasnt crossed over and judging from her airplay and downlaods, half the country still doesnt know this song. But I guess u know everything, eventhough I have worked in radio andother media outlets. ;) what will it take for you to shut that hole in yo face!
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Post by parkchicago on Aug 2, 2007 17:55:08 GMT -5
Say it Right, I don't see any Fantasia fans trying to say that one hit makes Fantasia the equal of Aretha. We're just happy she has a hit, and we want her label to get behind her and go for ads on rhythmic/top 40. True. ;) I think the song will stay at number 1 for at least another week, maybe two.
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Post by jewel88 on Aug 2, 2007 18:00:08 GMT -5
Actually, the reason she moved up the Hot 100 is because the rules changed last week and downloads count less on the Hot 100. Downloads were counting double for the last year or so. I'm glad she has moved up but she still hasnt crossed over and judging from her airplay and downlaods, half the country still doesnt know this song. But I guess u know everything, eventhough I have worked in radio andother media outlets. ;) what will it take for you to shut that hole in yo face! Don't forget she also should learn basic mathematics as well. Anyone not knowing that 42 on the hot 100 is more then 50% of the chart should really shut up. I think she's just extremely jealous of Fantasia, if she weren't she wouldn't keep coming back trying to make folks agree with her silly desperation and trying to diminish the success of a 6 week #1 song. Still #1 still a top 40 hit. Deal with it. Better then a flop on all formats. Oh my, now she's accusing us of saying Fantasia hit equals Aretha's 30-40 plus year career? Nobody said that, or anything like it.
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Post by CookyMonzta on Aug 2, 2007 18:45:24 GMT -5
Unless you are hitting the pop charts you are not seen as a real success. Bad move, bub. If that were true, some of our greatest singers would, in your eyes, be considered as failures... ...Of course, nothing could be further from the truth than that statement of yours. Do you know how many of James Brown's 57 top-10 R&B hits made the top 10 on the Hot 100? NINE! Only nine! Despite having as little impact in the world of pop and pop radio (such as it was back in the 1960s and 1970s), he is, and rightfully so, regarded as a supreme legend, bar none......Which goes to prove that one need not have to get the attention of pop radio to gain legendary status. The Billboard charts are full of singers, who were largely confined to the R&B, country and even rock charts, but nevertheless, like James Brown, became pop legends. Consider Louis Jordan, who had 54 top-10 R&B hits. He made the pop top 10 for the first time, with his 7th hit, "G.I. Jive", in 1942. It was his only number 1 pop hit, among 9 top-10 pop hits. Yet, he, too, is considered among supreme legends, considering that "Caldonia" (1945) is considered one of the forerunners of old-time (1950s) rock and roll. Of the 51 top-10 R&B hits in Aretha's career, 17 of them made the pop top 10. Fantasia has 3 top-10 R&B hits now. Another 3 top-10 R&B hits, and I would imagine even the so-called mainstream of pop would have to take her seriously. In this day and age, where albums are usually released every 2 years, if not longer, 20 top-10 R&B hits (maybe even as few as 15) can make a singer a supreme legend. In the 1960s and 1970s, some artists released 2 albums in the same calendar year. Depending on the material she gets on her next album, I wouldn't put it past Fantasia to score her 10th top-10 R&B hit before she is 30 (2014). Even if she never made the top 10 on the Hot 100, a truckload of R&B hits can make a singer a legend even in the eyes of the pop world. Like I said before, the charts are full of legends who rarely made the Hot 100.
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Post by michael7627 on Aug 2, 2007 20:08:26 GMT -5
yes you have worked and I work!
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Post by michael7627 on Aug 2, 2007 20:11:10 GMT -5
and the change only accounts for 5%...47 to 32...does not account for 5% point proven...now simply disapper from the Fantasia forum!
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Post by Evergreen on Aug 3, 2007 13:28:39 GMT -5
I love Fantasia. I truly and honestly think she's the greatest singer to EVER be born......period...........bar none.
And I still do not think the song was a huge smash, or even all that successful. It did well on Urban, but that's to be expected, same with Urban AC. Truth is, the label didn't have to send the song to radio stations for it to cross over. If it was going to cross over, it would have.
I'm perfectly content with Fantasia's B-List status and only moderately successful career. I'm not quite sure what's up with the people intent on knocking her success or the people trying to exhault her success to some grand status. He's does alright, decent, average, mediocre........and that's okay. Doesn't change the high quality of her music.
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Post by necola on Aug 3, 2007 13:58:17 GMT -5
OUCH..Spoken like a true fan
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Post by jewel88 on Aug 3, 2007 14:59:35 GMT -5
OUCH..Spoken like a true fan That's not a fan. I don't see in here were anyone said she was a superstar and is ruling the world. We are talking about the SONG and the song is a big hit and that is FACT, you don't top the charts six weeks on a song that not a BIG hit. He also think Amy Winehouse is winning R & B female vocal so he's sort of all over the place with his thoughts. That'll go to Beyonce , Fantasia or Jennifer before her. I just wish these posers would simply disappear.
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Post by substantial on Aug 3, 2007 16:15:26 GMT -5
I don't see in here were anyone said she was a superstar and is ruling the world. Exactly. I expected someones post to say Fantasia is the Queen of Soul and the ruler of the industry how they are reacting. ??? No one has said she was. But to pretend like 6 weeks at #1 on the R&B Chart is no biggie, isn't true. She's an R&B artist and she topped the chart in her genre - that is wonderful, the same would go for a country #1 or a jazz #1.
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Post by Evergreen on Aug 3, 2007 18:01:27 GMT -5
OUCH..Spoken like a true fan That's not a fan. I don't see in here were anyone said she was a superstar and is ruling the world. We are talking about the SONG and the song is a big hit and that is FACT, you don't top the charts six weeks on a song that not a BIG hit. He also think Amy Winehouse is winning R & B female vocal so he's sort of all over the place with his thoughts. That'll go to Beyonce , Fantasia or Jennifer before her. I just wish these posers would simply disappear. Sorry, still don't see it. When I think big hit, I think "Big Girls Don't Cry", "Irreplaceable", "Umbrella", "Buy U a Drank".........."When I See U" simply isn't even this league of songs, and not even the league below it "It's Not Over", "Girlfriend", "Makes Me Wonder", "Before He Cheats" The song did extremely well on it's format. I never tried to take that away from her, but in the grand scheme of things, there are so many more songs that truly were big hits, and crossed genre lines and dominated mulitple formats. "When I See U" simply wasn't one of those songs.............or did it and I missed it? Again, one doesn't have to think the world of Fantasia and praise her every accomplishment to be a fan. Did the song do well on it's format, of course. What it a huge single in the grand scheme of things, not even close. As far as talent goes, Fantasia is unmatched by anyone on the planet.......and far as her single and album performance, not good...........PERIOD!
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Post by necola on Aug 3, 2007 19:44:17 GMT -5
Oh watch out now Vincent said PERIOD, that mean the end..lol
Vincent, with the promotion that Fantasia got in reference to this single and this cd she did very well, you can't take away from her.
Number 1 for six weeks without promo like Carrie, Rhianna etc. is excellent and i do blame J Records and there team for this. You got her sitting at Number 1 overall on Urban Charts and J Records did not go in for the kill, shame on them!
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Post by jewel88 on Aug 3, 2007 19:50:15 GMT -5
Oh watch out now Vincent said PERIOD, that mean the end..lol Vincent, with the promotion that Fantasia got in reference to this single and this cd she did very well, you can't take away from her. Number 1 for six weeks without promo like Carrie, Rhianna etc. is excellent and i do blame J Records and there team for this. You got her sitting at Number 1 overall on Urban Charts and J Records did not go in for the kill, shame on them! Yeah, if he says PERIOD then it must be true. We might as well end the discuss. Seriously these folks really need to get over themselves. They are confusing THEM not likely the song PERSONALLY to meaning it is a bad song, NOPE it is a great song and his tastes just suck. Bad songs don't top the AIRPLAY chart for six weeks because people would stop requesting them and they would fall off. That's a fact. and that's the PERIOD! END of STORY. Plus, this is the "Only One U" thread. Why are folks polluting this thread with "When I See U" bashing?
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Post by necola on Aug 3, 2007 20:33:22 GMT -5
In agreement "Only One U" is going for adds they are playing it on WBLS in NY already
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