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Post by syrus on Sept 20, 2011 23:30:39 GMT -5
This won't save the album.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2011 23:40:41 GMT -5
This won't save the album. yeah no because the album isn't top 10 and holding it's own in sales or anything. even with this absolute mess in regards to her management's handling of the singles, the album's doing fine so I don't see why it would need "saving" in the first place.
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Post by youngstunna07 on Sept 21, 2011 0:15:35 GMT -5
This won't save the album. yeah no because the album isn't top 10 and holding it's own in sales or anything. even with this absolute mess in regards to her management's handling of the singles, the album's doing fine so I don't see why it would need "saving" in the first place. +1 Some people are acting like the album has fell from out of the Top 50 or something LOL. Its doing fine, if they have been handling the singles better the album probably would be over 1m sold by now in the US.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2011 0:20:25 GMT -5
One of my favorites on the album. Should be interesting to see how the video will turn out without any dancing (since shes pregnant?).
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Post by d.t.m on Sept 21, 2011 0:34:02 GMT -5
This one might go Top 20, but that's about it.
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Post by worldwide on Sept 21, 2011 8:14:17 GMT -5
What a mess! This era is a mess.
I like it, somehow think it's kind of late now.
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Post by KingB on Sept 21, 2011 8:18:41 GMT -5
One of my favorites on the album. Should be interesting to see how the video will turn out without any dancing (since shes pregnant?). the video was shot months ago
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Post by KingB on Sept 21, 2011 8:19:44 GMT -5
What a mess! This era is a mess. I like it, somehow think it's kind of late now. how is it late? the album only came out 3 months ago
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Post by ashley on Sept 21, 2011 11:06:23 GMT -5
I think this could've been a summer hit. Probably won't do much now.
Still, this is an amazing song. I'm glad it's getting a release.
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Post by #LisaRinna on Sept 21, 2011 11:17:11 GMT -5
This one might go Top 20, but that's about it. Those were also the predictions for the 2nd single and that went top 20 on the Hot 100, airplay, sales, Pop. It also turned out to be a top 5 hit at Rhythmic, Urban (#1 on BDS and 133 spins from #1 on Mediabase) and the R&B chart.
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Post by lum on Sept 21, 2011 11:21:59 GMT -5
Amazing song. Can't believe I'm starting to become a B fan Still, Love On Top>>>
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2011 11:41:50 GMT -5
I think it's really stupid to send this to CHR/Pop before Urban/Rhythmic. After the performance of the first two singles at CHR/Pop, this is basically bound to underperform here. By the time this gets an Urban/Rhythmic release, it's already going to have the stigma of a CHR/Pop flop. "Best Thing I Never Had" went to #2 at Urban radio, and "Party" was taking off there before it even went for adds. "Countdown" was sure to be the third Urban hit off the album. They should have just given up on CHR/Pop for the time being. She's doing fine at Urban/Rhythmic, and the album is holding up so there's really no point in collecting CHR/Pop flops.
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Post by ₫anny Jerz ♔ on Sept 21, 2011 12:14:13 GMT -5
I think it's really stupid to send this to CHR/Pop before Urban/Rhythmic. After the performance of the first two singles at CHR/Pop, this is basically bound to underperform here. By the time this gets an Urban/Rhythmic release, it's already going to have the stigma of a CHR/Pop flop. "Best Thing I Never Had" went to #2 at Urban radio, and "Party" was taking off there before it even went for adds. "Countdown" was sure to be the third Urban hit off the album. They should have just given up on CHR/Pop for the time being. She's doing fine at Urban/Rhythmic, and the album is holding up so there's really no point in collecting CHR/Pop flops. I totally agree. To add to that, it's absurd to release one of your two potential crossover hits (this and "End of Time") to Pop first. If it was going to smash, it would have to have crossed-over from being an Urban/Rhythmic first. Beyonce clearly doesn't have enough Pop support this era with the material she's recorded so it's just dumb to attempt a dual single release.
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Post by NeRD on Sept 21, 2011 12:17:21 GMT -5
I think it's really stupid to send this to CHR/Pop before Urban/Rhythmic. After the performance of the first two singles at CHR/Pop, this is basically bound to underperform here. By the time this gets an Urban/Rhythmic release, it's already going to have the stigma of a CHR/Pop flop. "Best Thing I Never Had" went to #2 at Urban radio, and "Party" was taking off there before it even went for adds. "Countdown" was sure to be the third Urban hit off the album. They should have just given up on CHR/Pop for the time being. She's doing fine at Urban/Rhythmic, and the album is holding up so there's really no point in collecting CHR/Pop flops. I totally agree. To add to that, it's absurd to release one of your two potential crossover hits (this and "End of Time") to Pop first. If it was going to smash, it would have to have crossed-over from being an Urban/Rhythmic first. Beyonce clearly doesn't have enough Pop support this era with the material she's recorded so it's just dumb to attempt a dual single release. Exactly.
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Post by Hussy on Sept 21, 2011 12:35:03 GMT -5
OMG messiest era ever !!! :S Beyonce what r u doing ???????
i dont think its a good choice to send this to POP, End Of Time would have been 1000x better !!!
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Post by d.t.m on Sept 21, 2011 13:04:16 GMT -5
I think it's really stupid to send this to CHR/Pop before Urban/Rhythmic. After the performance of the first two singles at CHR/Pop, this is basically bound to underperform here. By the time this gets an Urban/Rhythmic release, it's already going to have the stigma of a CHR/Pop flop. "Best Thing I Never Had" went to #2 at Urban radio, and "Party" was taking off there before it even went for adds. "Countdown" was sure to be the third Urban hit off the album. They should have just given up on CHR/Pop for the time being. She's doing fine at Urban/Rhythmic, and the album is holding up so there's really no point in collecting CHR/Pop flops. I totally agree. To add to that, it's absurd to release one of your two potential crossover hits (this and "End of Time") to Pop first. If it was going to smash, it would have to have crossed-over from being an Urban/Rhythmic first. Beyonce clearly doesn't have enough Pop support this era with the material she's recorded so it's just dumb to attempt a dual single release. I don't think her team is content with just having something rotating on URB/RHY w/o having anything at POP. They shoulda just got it right the first time and sent this here as lead, before she burned out at the format.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2011 13:36:05 GMT -5
This won't save the album. yeah no because the album isn't top 10 It isn't. : " 19. Beyonce, 4: 20,000 (785,000)" :kii: But yeah, it's selling fine. This era is a mess singles wise though. Just release a single and get it over with!
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Post by youngstunna07 on Sept 21, 2011 14:53:50 GMT -5
I think it's really stupid to send this to CHR/Pop before Urban/Rhythmic. After the performance of the first two singles at CHR/Pop, this is basically bound to underperform here. By the time this gets an Urban/Rhythmic release, it's already going to have the stigma of a CHR/Pop flop. "Best Thing I Never Had" went to #2 at Urban radio, and "Party" was taking off there before it even went for adds. "Countdown" was sure to be the third Urban hit off the album. They should have just given up on CHR/Pop for the time being. She's doing fine at Urban/Rhythmic, and the album is holding up so there's really no point in collecting CHR/Pop flops. Honestly sis I think Bey can care less about getting hits on Pop Radio this era, if she did she would of released Countdown to all formats as the first single instead of Run the World.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2011 14:54:46 GMT -5
This era is a hot mess. I seriously thought LOT would do well with the right promotion. At this point I don't see this doing anything, I can't even get into it and I've listened to this a few times already.
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Post by Music.ology on Sept 21, 2011 16:56:54 GMT -5
Obviously she's not focusing on selling this album, since she found out she was pregnant. At first place, she said this record was made thinking more about the music quality than potential hits. You can tell that the messy single chronology is all label decisions... since they are trying to pull out a hit from this album, and is failing because Beyoncé is sitting unbothered about it.
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Post by NeRD on Sept 21, 2011 19:29:33 GMT -5
Beyonce is on the level of hunger for success as Mariah is. You cant tell me that though this album was "quality" she wasnt looking for hits and another platinum certification. IF that was the case she wouldnt have followed the same formula with releasing a "orginal clubanger" then a contemporary ballad that was supposed to smash across all formats.
The reasons things have been so messy is because they've had two underperforming singles in a row, and they didnt know what direction to go next. Thats why we saw an adds date for LOT after they saw the reception it recieved after the VMAs. The label and her management (herself) hasnt known what to do since BTINH stalled in airplay. No smart label would have ever thought about making an adds date for a song like LOT to Pop radio in today's music climate.
They are lost, point blank. And Beyonce just has more important things to focus on like preparing to bring a new human into the world.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2011 20:25:25 GMT -5
I think it's really stupid to send this to CHR/Pop before Urban/Rhythmic. After the performance of the first two singles at CHR/Pop, this is basically bound to underperform here. By the time this gets an Urban/Rhythmic release, it's already going to have the stigma of a CHR/Pop flop. "Best Thing I Never Had" went to #2 at Urban radio, and "Party" was taking off there before it even went for adds. "Countdown" was sure to be the third Urban hit off the album. They should have just given up on CHR/Pop for the time being. She's doing fine at Urban/Rhythmic, and the album is holding up so there's really no point in collecting CHR/Pop flops. Honestly sis I think Bey can care less about getting hits on Pop Radio this era, if she did she would of released Countdown to all formats as the first single instead of Run the World. If she didn't care about getting pop hits, she wouldn't bother sending a different song to pop than she's sending to Urban.
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Post by David on Sept 21, 2011 22:59:01 GMT -5
This is just under CNM? They could just be testing it. I will wait for an adds date.
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Post by d.t.m on Sept 21, 2011 23:13:31 GMT -5
Beyonce is on the level of hunger for success as Mariah is. You cant tell me that though this album was "quality" she wasnt looking for hits and another platinum certification. IF that was the case she wouldnt have followed the same formula with releasing a "orginal clubanger" then a contemporary ballad that was supposed to smash across all formats. The reasons things have been so messy is because they've had two underperforming singles in a row, and they didnt know what direction to go next. Thats why we saw an adds date for LOT after they saw the reception it recieved after the VMAs. The label and her management (herself) hasnt known what to do since BTINH stalled in airplay. No smart label would have ever thought about making an adds date for a song like LOT to Pop radio in today's music climate. They are lost, point blank. And Beyonce just has more important things to focus on like preparing to bring a new human into the world. Exactly. You can't tell me they weren't expecting RTW to be a huge WW smash and anthem. BTINH was definitely plating it safe with damage control.
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Post by David on Sept 21, 2011 23:22:18 GMT -5
Wait.. So you're telling me Beyonce's typical release strategy is..
1st single - "original club banger" 2nd single - "ballad"
Let's see how her releases have truly panned out...
DIL: 1st single - "original club banger" 2nd single - "club banger"
Whoops. No ballad there. Let's move on to B'Day...
1st single - "uptempo" (not really a club banger though) 2nd single - "angry uptempo" (not a ballad or club banger either..)
So, that's wrong.. Let's go to IASF...
1st single - "ballad" 2nd single - "original club banger"
Ok, so that goes by her typical pattern... If you're dyslexic.
So, you see, they werent following any pattern. Maybe they were wanting hits? Sure, who doesn't? But maybe they were also aiming for something better. BTINH is safe, yes, I will give you that, but I still don't think SHE cares as much as, say, her label does about getting hits. They probably just don't care anymore and are gonna throw something out until it sticks.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2011 23:24:14 GMT -5
Well seeing how Beyonce said on the Year of 4(taped right before RTW was released and flop)that she didn't care about the hits and wanted to make a great cohesive album, she must be lying?
If Beyonce wanted a pop hit she could have easily, easily hired a bunch of producers and made a pop ready, sure fire hit. She could have leaped to Guetta, or AfroJack, or did a Cali Gurls rehash or something radio ready like Only Girls or Hold it against me....
Of course there gonna keep sending out songs to radio. Did y'all miss the press release where Columbia(not Beyonce)said they were gonna werk the fuck out of the album?
If people really believe Bey is at home right now frantically crying over flopping on pop, then...
Stuff isn't working at pop this go around, sucks, but that's the price she paid. She's still tearing up urban, still selling decently(top 10 of the year---outperformed artists who have had 2, 3, 4 hits). Biggest R&B release, ect.
So while I hope Countdown, or end of time, or I was here, or anything becomes a big pop hit...it ain't the end of the world. But of course haters are gonna flock to it. Funny thing is alot of the negative people are the same one's who defend "My December" for flopping because it wasn't mainstream...or the same one's who defended "Rated R" when it wasn't as big as "Good Girls Go Bad" because it was from the heart and it "real" and it didn't matter if it flopped(even though it ended up doing well and having a #1). But no, when Fame hungry, bitch face Beyonce does it, she's lying or doing damage control. smh
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Post by youngstunna07 on Sept 22, 2011 0:12:58 GMT -5
Well seeing how Beyonce said on the Year of 4(taped right before RTW was released and flop)that she didn't care about the hits and wanted to make a great cohesive album, she must be lying? If Beyonce wanted a pop hit she could have easily, easily hired a bunch of producers and made a pop ready, sure fire hit. She could have leaped to Guetta, or AfroJack, or did a Cali Gurls rehash or something radio ready like Only Girls or Hold it against me.... Of course there gonna keep sending out songs to radio. Did y'all miss the press release where Columbia(not Beyonce)said they were gonna werk the f**k out of the album? If people really believe Bey is at home right now frantically crying over flopping on pop, then... Stuff isn't working at pop this go around, sucks, but that's the price she paid. She's still tearing up urban, still selling decently(top 10 of the year---outperformed artists who have had 2, 3, 4 hits). Biggest R&B release, ect. So while I hope Countdown, or end of time, or I was here, or anything becomes a big pop hit...it ain't the end of the world. But of course haters are gonna flock to it. Funny thing is alot of the negative people are the same one's who defend "My December" for flopping because it wasn't mainstream...or the same one's who defended "Rated R" when it wasn't as big as "Good Girls Go Bad" because it was from the heart and it "real" and it didn't matter if it flopped(even though it ended up doing well and having a #1). But no, when Fame hungry, bitch face Beyonce does it, she's lying or doing damage control. smh Tell em! Its so funny cause Bey has even said in interviews many times that her focus wasn't on making smash singles this era. But people continue to try and claim shes lying and only saying that cause the singles have under performed. SMH You would think haters would be happy that Bey wasn't focusing on making smash singles, knowing what the outcome would of been. Bey has been there and done that! ;)
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Post by youngstunna07 on Sept 22, 2011 0:29:32 GMT -5
Honestly sis I think Bey can care less about getting hits on Pop Radio this era, if she did she would of released Countdown to all formats as the first single instead of Run the World. If she didn't care about getting pop hits, she wouldn't bother sending a different song to pop than she's sending to Urban. The way her label has been handling these singles, I wouldn't even be suprised if they just wound up sending only Party to Urban, and cancelling Countdown. LOL But we need the confirmation first.
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Post by R.K. on Sept 22, 2011 1:10:09 GMT -5
People can't stand this woman because she's just too talented, simply not to be accepted.
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Post by ClevelandRox on Sept 22, 2011 1:57:06 GMT -5
People can't stand this woman because she's just too talented, simply not to be accepted. LMAO that's what it is...
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