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Post by spencer on Jan 14, 2014 9:39:36 GMT -5
Oh, I think those ads get their attention, but it's the other memo's agenda they follow, so yeah, I too don't expect anything other than, maybe, a vocalist nomination.
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Post by neally on Jan 14, 2014 12:40:13 GMT -5
The Top-Earning American Idols 2013 Carrie Underwood has come quite far since winning American Idol in 2005—and it’s safe to say the show has made good on its titular promise. Underwood tops this year’s list of the highest-paid Idol alums, pulling in $31 million thanks to platinum-selling Blown Away, extensive touring and endorsement deals with the likes of Olay. Not only is that more than any Idol contestant, but it exceeds the annual earnings of last year’s judges Mariah Carey, Nicki Minaj and Keith Urban. All in all, Underwood has earned $83 million over the past five years, and she’s one of many acts continuing to profit from her exposure on the show. Kelly Clarkson ranks second with $7 million, banking the bulk of her bucks on the road. She’s followed by 2012 winner Phillip Phillips and 2009 runner-up Adam Lambert, who are tied for third with $5 million apiece. www.forbes.com/sites/zackomalleygreenburg/2014/01/14/top-earning-american-idols-2013/?utm_campaign=forbestwittersf&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social
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Post by 14887fan on Jan 14, 2014 14:30:19 GMT -5
She made as much as the necklace she wore to the Grammys last February, lol.
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Post by StrongBreakaway on Jan 14, 2014 15:23:49 GMT -5
^ She probably sold it
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Post by 14887fan on Jan 14, 2014 16:02:25 GMT -5
^ She probably sold it She never bought it in the first place.
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Post by StrongBreakaway on Jan 14, 2014 16:21:52 GMT -5
^ She probably sold it She never bought it in the first place. ugh, humour-less people
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Post by 14887fan on Jan 14, 2014 16:32:14 GMT -5
She never bought it in the first place. ugh, humour-less people I know, right?
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Post by jptexas on Jan 14, 2014 16:35:34 GMT -5
Christopher Plummer will be appearing on The Talk on Thursday supposedly talking about SOM. Hopefully, he liked the Live version.
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Post by 14887fan on Jan 14, 2014 23:49:42 GMT -5
Carrie's covered a ton in the Idol premiere tomorrow night. "Before He Cheats" (more than once, if I recall correctly) "Blown Away" "Cupid's Got A Shotgun"
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Post by SHOOTER on Jan 15, 2014 2:13:02 GMT -5
Her earnings SHAT on the rest of the top-10! Damn girl!
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Post by desertfloods on Jan 15, 2014 7:27:50 GMT -5
Oh, I think those ads get their attention, but it's the other memo's agenda they follow, so yeah, I too don't expect anything other than, maybe, a vocalist nomination. Yeah, it's never really an issue of people not noticing her. The best, fanciest, most outstanding ad isn't going to do much.
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Post by jenglisbe on Jan 16, 2014 10:29:28 GMT -5
I got sales for the first week of 2014. Blown Away's Soundscan total ending January 5, 2014 was 1,634,400. It sold 3,551 that week.
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Post by jptexas on Jan 17, 2014 13:03:16 GMT -5
$31 million, damn, that's EOTY money, well in her case it's just $31 million, and it'll always be
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Post by lookinghot on Jan 18, 2014 8:26:34 GMT -5
Why is she no longer a country award darling? Shes like eight years into her career blowing the lids off her contemporaries and yet no eoty...so odd.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Jan 18, 2014 9:51:32 GMT -5
Why is she no longer a country award darling? Shes like eight years into her career blowing the lids off her contemporaries and yet no eoty...so odd. Your guess is as good as mine. I have tree theories, and I think it's a mix of them. 1: Carrie's success came too early; her success from 2005-2008 was too big to ignore, so she essentially had to be given the awards she earned because: A) There wasn't another female (at the time) achieving the success she was, and B) She was easily the biggest artist in the entire format at the time. So when "new" ones started coming, they were welcomed with open arms because for a few years, Carrie was kind of alone with regards to crossover/sales/radio success. 2: Artistic discrepancies (for lack of a better word), Carrie has never been widely acclaimed by critics. In fact, I'd argue she's one of the most hated country artists among critics. Even "Blown Away" was trashed by many; and it's widely referred to amongst fans and 'passers-by' that it's her best work yet. This is a problem, of course, when artists like Miranda come out with music that is consistently praised by critics. It may not seem to matter, but a lot of these critics are members of the ACMs and CMAs, so if they're bigger "fans" of Miranda or Taylor, they're likely not voting for Carrie. 3: Politics: When Carrie started out, she was perhaps on the strongest label in country music. At the time, Brooks and Dunn were at the [SECOND] peak of their career [IN THE MID 2000s], Brad Paisley was huge, etc... Arista Nashville had a lot of pull in the industry, and Carrie was really the only female worth supporting. Sony, now, has Miranda Lambert under their umbrella and since her breakout in 2009/2010, she seems to be the female they're backing the most; particularly with awards and such. In addition, there's the cluster-f**k that is Blake/Reba/Kelly/Miranda & friends who without a doubt have a far-reaching impact in the voting process. I'm not saying they manipulate the voting process directly, but their power combined has a lot to do with recent award win outcomes, in my opinion. Miranda winning last year over Carrie at the CMAs for 'Female'? I feel that's kind of hard to justify when comparing their stats. It can never be proven indefinitely, but I do think politicking is a MASSIVE way in which award nominations and wins are "earned", and when you're not a part of the power-clique that is Blake/Reba/Miranda/Narvel/Kelly/etc... it's hard to win awards.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2014 15:00:18 GMT -5
Carrie has never been widely acclaimed by critics. In fact, I'd argue she's one of the most hated country artists among critics. Sure, she may not have consistent and universal critical acclaim, but the idea that she's one of the most hated country artists among critics is thoroughly preposterous. When Carrie started out, she was perhaps on the strongest label in country music. At the time, Brooks and Dunn were at the peak of their career... I must have missed the part of her career that took place in the 1990s.
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Post by matty005 on Jan 18, 2014 15:02:11 GMT -5
Why is she no longer a country award darling? Shes like eight years into her career blowing the lids off her contemporaries and yet no eoty...so odd. Your guess is as good as mine. I have tree theories, and I think it's a mix of them. 1: Carrie's success came too early; her success from 2005-2008 was too big to ignore, so she essentially had to be given the awards she earned because: A) There wasn't another female (at the time) achieving the success she was, and B) She was easily the biggest artist in the entire format at the time. So when "new" ones started coming, they were welcomed with open arms because for a few years, Carrie was kind of alone with regards to crossover/sales/radio success. 2: Artistic discrepancies (for lack of a better word), Carrie has never been widely acclaimed by critics. In fact, I'd argue she's one of the most hated country artists among critics. Even "Blown Away" was trashed by many; and it's widely referred to amongst fans and 'passers-by' that it's her best work yet. This is a problem, of course, when artists like Miranda come out with music that is consistently praised by critics. It may not seem to matter, but a lot of these critics are members of the ACMs and CMAs, so if they're bigger "fans" of Miranda or Taylor, they're likely not voting for Carrie. 3: Politics: When Carrie started out, she was perhaps on the strongest label in country music. At the time, Brooks and Dunn were at the peak of their career, Brad Paisley was huge, etc... Arista Nashville had a lot of pull in the industry, and Carrie was really the only female worth supporting. Sony, now, has Miranda Lambert under their umbrella and since her breakout in 2009/2010, she seems to be the female they're backing the most; particularly with awards and such. In addition, there's the cluster-f**k that is Blake/Reba/Kelly/Miranda & friends who without a doubt have a far-reaching impact in the voting process. I'm not saying they manipulate the voting process directly, but their power combined has a lot to do with recent award win outcomes, in my opinion. Miranda winning last year over Carrie at the CMAs for 'Female'? I feel that's kind of hard to justify when comparing their stats. It can never be proven indefinitely, but I do think politicking is a MASSIVE way in which award nominations and wins are "earned", and when you're not a part of the power-clique that is Blake/Reba/Miranda/Narvel/Kelly/etc... it's hard to win awards. 4. Miranda is a darn good artist too. I agree with most of your statements, but one big one you're missing is that Miranda has had a huge few years as well. I agree that Carrie should have won a couple (especially 2013) but one of the main reasons you leave out is her competition.
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Post by jptexas on Jan 18, 2014 16:29:50 GMT -5
Sorry, Miranda has never had the sales, songs overall, singing ability, or earning potential as Carrie. Yet , she wins. Something is off.
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Post by matty005 on Jan 18, 2014 16:33:19 GMT -5
Some of those are opinions, and while you're right on others, there are things that Miranda has that Carrie didn't (critical success).
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Post by jptexas on Jan 18, 2014 17:00:38 GMT -5
So true, but why is the question, even Miranda seems embarrassed at her winning over Carrie.
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Post by matty005 on Jan 18, 2014 17:04:08 GMT -5
So true, but why is the question, even Miranda seems embarrassed at her winning over Carrie. She probably thought Carrie deserved it too. I'm not saying she didn't deserve it, I am just saying Miranda has had some pretty great years herself and that is why it has been harder for Carrie to win,
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Post by 14887fan on Jan 18, 2014 23:35:24 GMT -5
I really don't know why people still speculate. Joe Galante stepped down as president of Arista. Gary Overton came in. At the time that Joe Galante, the once-superior power of Music Row, stepped out, Carrie's "Play On" era fell flat on its face with its singles, Miranda Lambert's popularity grew, she got attached to Blake Shelton and the Narvel Blackstock group, and they've won ever since.
The music doesn't matter. The critical acclaim doesn't matter. The commercial reception doesn't matter. The radio play doesn't matter. The music videos don't matter. The touring doesn't matter. All that matters is the politics and your campaigning group is behind it all. At the end of the day, Carrie will remain getting shut out from these shows while Blake Shelton will continue to win Album of the Year for spending thousands of dollars to host a campaign (including buttons, for f**k's sake) for any and all CMA voters after his concert finishes at the Bridgestone Arena in downtown Nashville.
I thought we all figured this out after Brian Mansfield's tweets a few months ago.
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Post by lookinghot on Jan 19, 2014 4:29:21 GMT -5
I'm just a casual fan so I don't pay attention to all the other junk going on. Honestly Carrie is the only country artist I truly follow so the industries politics are not something I was aware of.
I don't think competition is a valid excuse either, Carrie has been front and center pretty much since she burst on the scene. She's eclipsed her contemporaries in so many ways, yet is left to hang to dry. what else can she really accomplish to garner a eoty award? She's the most played woman on country radio for christs sake.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Jan 19, 2014 9:37:12 GMT -5
Carrie has never been widely acclaimed by critics. In fact, I'd argue she's one of the most hated country artists among critics. Sure, she may not have consistent and universal critical acclaim, but the idea that she's one of the most hated country artists among critics is thoroughly preposterous. When Carrie started out, she was perhaps on the strongest label in country music. At the time, Brooks and Dunn were at the peak of their career... I must have missed the part of her career that took place in the 1990s. I was thinking about the second huge wave in the mid 2000s of their career. And yes, their career took place mostly in the 90s, but many of their biggest hits took place in the mid-2000s. I was strictly referring to their success during the 2000s during which time B&D was a leading act on Arista. Also... Among today's most popular country artists, I really don't think it's preposterous to say she's one of the most hated ones. Perhaps "disliked" would be a better word, but still, she isn't their favorite. Your guess is as good as mine. I have tree theories, and I think it's a mix of them. 1: Carrie's success came too early; her success from 2005-2008 was too big to ignore, so she essentially had to be given the awards she earned because: A) There wasn't another female (at the time) achieving the success she was, and B) She was easily the biggest artist in the entire format at the time. So when "new" ones started coming, they were welcomed with open arms because for a few years, Carrie was kind of alone with regards to crossover/sales/radio success. 2: Artistic discrepancies (for lack of a better word), Carrie has never been widely acclaimed by critics. In fact, I'd argue she's one of the most hated country artists among critics. Even "Blown Away" was trashed by many; and it's widely referred to amongst fans and 'passers-by' that it's her best work yet. This is a problem, of course, when artists like Miranda come out with music that is consistently praised by critics. It may not seem to matter, but a lot of these critics are members of the ACMs and CMAs, so if they're bigger "fans" of Miranda or Taylor, they're likely not voting for Carrie. 3: Politics: When Carrie started out, she was perhaps on the strongest label in country music. At the time, Brooks and Dunn were at the peak of their career, Brad Paisley was huge, etc... Arista Nashville had a lot of pull in the industry, and Carrie was really the only female worth supporting. Sony, now, has Miranda Lambert under their umbrella and since her breakout in 2009/2010, she seems to be the female they're backing the most; particularly with awards and such. In addition, there's the cluster-f**k that is Blake/Reba/Kelly/Miranda & friends who without a doubt have a far-reaching impact in the voting process. I'm not saying they manipulate the voting process directly, but their power combined has a lot to do with recent award win outcomes, in my opinion. Miranda winning last year over Carrie at the CMAs for 'Female'? I feel that's kind of hard to justify when comparing their stats. It can never be proven indefinitely, but I do think politicking is a MASSIVE way in which award nominations and wins are "earned", and when you're not a part of the power-clique that is Blake/Reba/Miranda/Narvel/Kelly/etc... it's hard to win awards. 4. Miranda is a darn good artist too. I agree with most of your statements, but one big one you're missing is that Miranda has had a huge few years as well. I agree that Carrie should have won a couple (especially 2013) but one of the main reasons you leave out is her competition. Very true, I should have addressed that more - Miranda did have a huge couple of undeniable years; she definitely deserved her 2010, 2011, and arguably her 2012 win. I was more focused on 2013 when writing this. I really don't know why people still speculate. Joe Galante stepped down as president of Arista. Gary Overton came in. At the time that Joe Galante, the once-superior power of Music Row, stepped out, Carrie's "Play On" era fell flat on its face with its singles, Miranda Lambert's popularity grew, she got attached to Blake Shelton and the Narvel Blackstock group, and they've won ever since. The music doesn't matter. The critical acclaim doesn't matter. The commercial reception doesn't matter. The radio play doesn't matter. The music videos don't matter. The touring doesn't matter. All that matters is the politics and your campaigning group is behind it all. At the end of the day, Carrie will remain getting shut out from these shows while Blake Shelton will continue to win Album of the Year for spending thousands of dollars to host a campaign (including buttons, for f**k's sake) for any and all CMA voters after his concert finishes at the Bridgestone Arena in downtown Nashville. I thought we all figured this out after Brian Mansfield's tweets a few months ago. I agree completely about the politicking. I would like to say, however, that I do think the different things you listed do matter, somewhat at least. A lot of the time, politics reign supreme with regards to award wins and nominations. But occasionally, for example, an album with critical acclaim, undeniable sales, and lots of radio hits may win over an album that's a part of the "clique". So yeah, politics nowadays are definitely and inarguably a massive reason why Carrie hasn't won country awards in years. However, if she were releasing critically acclaimed music that ALSO had undeniable industry impact, I think she'd have a shot, personally. Since about 2009, Carrie has ranked second or third amongst the three leading country females in both critical acclaim and overall success. Both Miranda and Taylor rank higher than her in terms of critical acclaim, and Taylor ranks higher than both Carrie and Miranda commercially (this is debatable within the confines of country music, but that doesn't seem to matter to voters much at all). This was arguable during "Blown Away", but Miranda's less successful and highly critically acclaimed album, "Four the Record" proved to win awards over Carrie. It's hard to ignore this when talking about awards, because the question remains unanswered that if Carrie released both a highly successful and critically acclaimed album, would she win awards? Does that make sense? I definitely don't disagree, I just think it's worth discussing because there are unanswered questions...
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Post by neally on Jan 19, 2014 13:29:24 GMT -5
My 2 cents on the matter is that politics, as well outlined by those above me are the main reason for no ETOY award (or even nomination in the past several award seasons). In terms of the lack of significant critical success, if I separate my bias for Carrie as an artist, I can see why Carrie's music may play a significant role in this: all but one of the singles from 'Blown Away' were straight-up POP/HOT AC tracks, whereas her more "country"-sounding ones were never used as singles. To date, much of her career has been focused on releasing "poppish" singles with bigger budget music videos (especially this past era), much like her Pop counterparts. While I enjoy that music and those music videos, the same cannot be said about Miranda Lambert now or earlier in her career.
Since Carrie is not a crossover artist, such as Taylor Swift is, I believe that for Carrie to be considered critically from the country community, she would need to refrain from releasing songs like 'Good Girl', 'Casanova', 'Undo It', songs more popular with her younger fanbase. Her voice on a more sonically country album would be crystal and probably receive more critical attention, but at the expense of commercial success- a decision she and her team would have to make and be prepared to live with. I also do think her impressive vocal versatility may be a bit threatening to the country critics as well, since, IMO, she is the only female country artist whose voice can easily traverse genres, making her marketable for non-country gigs, such as 'The Sound of Music'. Thoughts ?
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Post by onebuffalo on Jan 19, 2014 15:11:44 GMT -5
I was thinking about the second huge wave in the mid 2000s of their career. And yes, their career took place mostly in the 90s, but many of their biggest hits took place in the mid-2000s. I was strictly referring to their success during the 2000s during which time B&D was a leading act on Arista.
Also... Among today's most popular country artists, I really don't think it's preposterous to say she's one of the most hated ones. Perhaps "disliked" would be a better word, but still, she isn't their favorite.
If one must get technical, Brooks & Dunn's top three hits are as follows:
1. Ain't Nothing 'Bout You-2001 2. Boot Scootin' Boogie-1992 3. My Maria-1996
So, I must submit that their biggest hits did NOT take place during the mid-2000s. Getting back to Carrie Underwood, as previously stated, if she were the big crossover queen like Taylor Swift, Underwood would have multiple C.M.A. Entertainer of the Year wins to go along with those from the A.C.M. (2009 and 2010). If Underwood were to get into the McEntire/Blackstock/Clarkson/Shelton/Lambert 'megaclique', then Underwood would be winning all the awards. If Miranda Lambert were to win the C.M.A. Female Vocalist of the Year award again (her fifth, making her the most awarded female in the category of all-time), then I will be listening to another form of music.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Jan 19, 2014 16:17:18 GMT -5
I was thinking about the second huge wave in the mid 2000s of their career. And yes, their career took place mostly in the 90s, but many of their biggest hits took place in the mid-2000s. I was strictly referring to their success during the 2000s during which time B&D was a leading act on Arista. Also... Among today's most popular country artists, I really don't think it's preposterous to say she's one of the most hated ones. Perhaps "disliked" would be a better word, but still, she isn't their favorite. If one must get technical, Brooks & Dunn's top three hits are as follows: 1. Ain't Nothing 'Bout You-2001 2. Boot Scootin' Boogie-1992 3. My Maria-1996 So, I must submit that their biggest hits did NOT take place during the mid-2000s. Getting back to Carrie Underwood, as previously stated, if she were the big crossover queen like Taylor Swift, Underwood would have multiple C.M.A. Entertainer of the Year wins to go along with those from the A.C.M. (2009 and 2010). If Underwood were to get into the McEntire/Blackstock/Clarkson/Shelton/Lambert 'megaclique', then Underwood would be winning all the awards. If Miranda Lambert were to win the C.M.A. Female Vocalist of the Year award again (her fifth, making her the most awarded female in the category of all-time), then I will be listening to another form of music. I said "many", not "all" or "top three". I had "Believe", "Red Dirt Road", "Play Something Country", etc... in mind. All of which were huge hits making them one of Arista's leading artists in the mid 2000s. That was the route of my point... I wasn't ever arguing that B&D had more success in the 2000s than 1990s, and that had absolutely nothing to do with my point. It's just another example of how someone took the opportunity to take a jab at my post, and completely mis-acknowledged the entire point of it. Other than that, I'm with you on the last part lol.
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Post by jptexas on Jan 19, 2014 22:45:01 GMT -5
Hypothetically speaking, think about this question. With miranda winning all these female vocalists awards and probably the one coming up, if the label had to choose only ONE to keep as their artist, Which one would they keep, Miranda or Carrie? I think we all know the answer. So, why do the awards go towards Miranda? One makes the money , while the other gets rewarded. Think about it. It's political.
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Post by spencer on Jan 20, 2014 12:50:25 GMT -5
Some of those are opinions, and while you're right on others, there are things that Miranda has that Carrie didn't (critical success). I would say more 'critical approval' is the only thing Miranda has achieved than Carrie. And while Miranda's record sales, chart positions, Improved they never rose to equal let alone exceed those of Carrie Underwood. Miranda's forttunes changed because of one song, and may I add one that she did not have a hand in writing. As for performance, I know that this is subject to personal preference, but if one needed some hard data, perhaps concert tour receipts could be something to look at. How do you think some of the more recent nominees stand up next to other eligible country artists?Looking at some of the more recent winners of the male and female vocalist winners, I have come to the conclusion that 'vocalist awards' have really very little to do with quality. So, yes Miranda has had a few 'better' years in her career, but I cannot say they were the best, in that they put her ahead of other artists competing for the same prize. Miranda's new found success.improved things for her' relative to, her own previous achievements, but not relative to a number of other artists, Carrie being one of them.. So why does she (and her husband to some extent) continue to be the award darlings at country award shows? Probably because the powers that be have deemed it so. To be clear, I believe there are many talented country artists, Miranda and Blake being two of many, but when awards are supposedly determined by an established criteria that includes hard data it becomes hard to justify how the individual(s) with weaker stats get the nominations let alone the prize.
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Post by dfrogger on Jan 20, 2014 12:50:53 GMT -5
I always find it amusing when people are so concerned about how Carrie is overlooked or snubbed as some have termed it. I relate how Carrie is treated to Toby Keith. He once won everything and then not at all. I loved his reaction to it by flipping them all off and becoming one of the most successful artists by diversifying his portfolio. He showed how it really does not matter about awards or critics but what matters is maintaining fan loyalty, continuing to grow, and investing his money wisely in multiple endeavors in other areas. He is the top country bread earner even over Taylor...in fact he owns a piece of her $$ through his break away deal with SB and BM. Carrie is able to do the same if she so chooses to but that is up to her. I dislike when people try to defend her.. to me it makes others who are not fans look at her as if she is weak on her own and a cry baby when it actually is not her but her fans.. Carrie is quite capable of being all who she wants to be and do, but; the question needs to be answered by her only...what all does she want? Perhaps she is happy right where she is now and does not need anymore or perhaps she wants to reach for the stars...only she can answer this and I for one will be happy for her no matter what I think she should do or not do or receive and not receive. Carrie is her own person and if she is tired of being stomped on or feels overlooked then she will have to decide on her own how "to flip them all off" and become successful without the awards just like Toby did...not her fans. And you know what? I think she is doing that slowly but surely on her own right now. She does not need accolades from anyone other than her fans to be successful and pertinent to any music genre! JMO
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