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Post by greenlight on Jun 28, 2012 8:18:57 GMT -5
He's dead on radio, another single would be a waste of time. This era will go down as a pretty visible flop. Better luck next era for him. If the premise is that there is nothing wrong with his first two singles, a third or even another era is a complete waste of time since his sexuality won't change, and the delay from his last success won't be shortened. Of course, even if the songs are the problem, after two failed singles, getting radio play would be a mountain to climb, but who knows? There may be a smash in waiting in the album.
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Post by istemem on Jun 28, 2012 8:19:28 GMT -5
The gap was not 2.5 years between singles, and this is what counts in terms of keeping his name in people mind. There was only a little more than a year between the end of IIHY and BTKIM. If BTKIM had been a good single, it would have taken off anyway , may be just a bit more slowly, and if NCOE had been a good single, it would have saved the era. But it wasn't to be wwfm started to fade spring of 2010, and iihy wasn't huge. Radio and most people remember Adam as the singer of wwfm, not iihy, which means Adam had one big song and album, then a long time off radio. btikm had little promo, went nowhere. Trespassing lacks a lead single, is not selling well. Those factors hurt ncoe, which is a fine song. This is not rocket science.
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Post by greenlight on Jun 28, 2012 9:18:03 GMT -5
The gap was not 2.5 years between singles, and this is what counts in terms of keeping his name in people mind. There was only a little more than a year between the end of IIHY and BTKIM. If BTKIM had been a good single, it would have taken off anyway , may be just a bit more slowly, and if NCOE had been a good single, it would have saved the era. But it wasn't to be wwfm started to fade spring of 2010, and iihy wasn't huge. Radio and most people remember Adam as the singer of wwfm, not iihy, which means Adam had one big song and album, then a long time off radio. btikm had little promo, went nowhere. Trespassing lacks a lead single, is not selling well. Those factors hurt ncoe, which is a fine song. This is not rocket science. Oh well, if NCOE cannot succeed despite being a good single, nothing will. RCA can close the Adam Lambert project now. ???
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Post by istemem on Jun 28, 2012 9:51:27 GMT -5
Oh well, if NCOE cannot succeed despite being a good single, nothing will. RCA can close the Adam Lambert project now. ??? In the US, possibly and temporarily, but not anywhere else. ncoe is getting spins and promo in the UK, where its ai is higher than it is in the US, which means Trespassing has more of a lead single there than it did in the US. He was seen as making a comeback in the US, but he's just a new act in the UK, which might help.
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Post by Poison Pill on Jun 28, 2012 10:09:42 GMT -5
Adam should be releasing songs like Mad World? ??? Use your imagination... I didn't say he should be releasing songs like Mad World. I'm saying the soulful rock-pop Adam was the basis of his greatest Idol moments and the Adam millions fell in love with and voted for. Then after the show, he comes out with a male Gaga image, chooses a drag photo as his album cover, and releases a first single about rough gay sex and gives a raunchy tasteless performance as his introduction to non-Idol audiences. Basically, I feel that Adam's Idol fans were expecting this: And got this:
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Post by greenlight on Jun 28, 2012 10:12:14 GMT -5
Oh well, if NCOE cannot succeed despite being a good single, nothing will. RCA can close the Adam Lambert project now. ??? In the US, possibly and temporarily, but not anywhere else. He's getting spins and promo in the UK, where his ai is higher than it is in the US. Trespassing has a lead single there, or more of a lead single there than it did in the US. The UK/Ireland are the last two countries where the album has yet to be released, and the last hope. So far, NCOE airplay is not indicative of a future UK hit but we'll know in two or three weeks one way or the other. It is released on July 8th, and the album July 9th, so will never be stand-alone lead single, with high sales. I am not sure why the label has done it this way, specially since Adam's UK promo is now out of sync with the releases. May be they are relying on the buzz coming from the Queen gigs, but I doubt that Queen fans will be into Trespassing style. :o
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Post by istemem on Jun 28, 2012 10:43:00 GMT -5
The UK/Ireland are the last two countries where the album has yet to be released, and the last hope. So far, NCOE airplay is not indicative of a future UK hit but we'll know in two or three weeks one way or the other. It is released on July 8th, and the album July 9th, so will never be stand-alone lead single, with high sales. I am not sure why the label has done it this way, specially since Adam's UK promo is now out of sync with the releases. May be they are relying on the buzz coming from the Queen gigs, but I doubt that Queen fans will be into Trespassing style. :o ncoe might not be up for sale, but it's been getting spins for weeks, and has a higher ai now than both singles did, combined, in the US. That, hopefully, will affect both single and album sales. Also, buzz is buzz. Queen buzz isn't only going to affect Queen fans.
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Post by greenlight on Jun 28, 2012 11:00:38 GMT -5
ncoe might not be up for sale, but it's been getting spins for weeks, and has a higher ai now than both singles did, combined, in the US. That, hopefully, will affect both single and album sales. Also, buzz is buzz. Queen buzz isn't only going to affect Queen fans. NCOE is not getting an amount of spins indicative of a hit in the UK so far. But never mind, no need to speculate, we'll know how well the era goes there soon enough. But, in the mean time, we can't really base the assertion that Adam will be fine on what may happen in the UK.
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Post by istemem on Jun 28, 2012 12:28:00 GMT -5
NCOE is not getting an amount of spins indicative of a hit in the UK so far. But never mind, no need to speculate, we'll know how well the era goes there soon enough. But, in the mean time, we can't really base the assertion that Adam will be fine on what may happen in the UK. ncoe has a higher ai in the UK than btikm and ncoe combined in the US (fact, not speculation). That might help UK sales (speculation, not fact). You can't base an assertion on a speculation, I agree.
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Post by Lolly on Jun 28, 2012 12:46:37 GMT -5
Adam should be releasing songs like Mad World? ??? Use your imagination... I didn't say he should be releasing songs like Mad World. I'm saying the soulful rock-pop Adam was the basis of his greatest Idol moments and the Adam millions fell in love with and voted for. Then after the show, he comes out with a male Gaga image, chooses a drag photo as his album cover, and releases a first single about rough gay sex and gives a raunchy tasteless performance as his introduction to non-Idol audiences. I'll be right back to response to this comment after I go throw away my 2012 calander and go find a 2009 calendar!
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Post by downsouth on Jun 28, 2012 13:34:06 GMT -5
Silver Lining-if we go ahead and call him a flop in the US, those Idol worshippers will feel success and hopefully move on to hating the next idol that threatens their own.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Jun 28, 2012 19:30:00 GMT -5
He needs a duet with a diva (P!nk? or..?) to get his foot in the door again, and THEN break off from that to his own thing.
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Post by Sir Benji on Jun 28, 2012 19:52:15 GMT -5
I think Adam suffers from the same typical sophomore Idol problem - he was never given the chance to figure out what sound works for him or what direction he wants to go in and was therefore never able to carve out an audience other than his Idol fans. His sexuality may play some part but I don't think it's the only factor. Bingo. Not to mention the single choices have not been good, and tbqh I feel like RCA dosen't really know how to market him . I feel like they are trying the "let's throw something against the wall and hope it sticks" approach. As many people know I don't care for Adam Lambert as a person at all, However he is very talented vocalist and "Tresspassing" is a great album. There is no reason it shouldn't go Gold.
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Post by snowflakes on Jun 29, 2012 15:38:42 GMT -5
Adam Lambert - Never Close Our Eyes - Live on Friday Download UK The kids are so cute.
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Post by snowflakes on Jun 30, 2012 19:21:58 GMT -5
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Post by Envoirment on Jul 8, 2012 17:25:15 GMT -5
#17 on UK itunes. Looks like it's going to be his biggest hit in the UK. "For Your Entertainment" peaked at #37.
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Post by highjohn on Jul 9, 2012 7:46:50 GMT -5
Only because his crazed US fans have set up so many fake or dummy UK Itunes accounts along with the UK crazed fans to give the impression the song is really selling. They are providing the lulz on twitter with their desperation. They also think the BBC will notice chart position and play the song. It's really quite comical the way they are feverishly trying to game him up the chart. If #17 is the best they can do after all their games, oh well. Lambert is finished on US radio, nothing he does anywhere else in the world is going to matter, as his colossal failure this era will hang over everything he does. Big rumor that Idol is considering him for a judge next season. Sounds about right - Idol judging panel is the place washed up singers and 2nd tier acts go to try and stay relevant. He's pretty washed up stateside, so maybe he's considering it.
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Post by p0isonparadise. on Jul 9, 2012 8:38:40 GMT -5
You sound thirsty.
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Post by Envoirment on Jul 9, 2012 8:47:06 GMT -5
Only because his crazed US fans have set up so many fake or dummy UK Itunes accounts along with the UK crazed fans to give the impression the song is really selling. They are providing the lulz on twitter with their desperation. They also think the BBC will notice chart position and play the song. It's really quite comical the way they are feverishly trying to game him up the chart. If #17 is the best they can do after all their games, oh well. Lambert is finished on US radio, nothing he does anywhere else in the world is going to matter, as his colossal failure this era will hang over everything he does. Big rumor that Idol is considering him for a judge next season. Sounds about right - Idol judging panel is the place washed up singers and 2nd tier acts go to try and stay relevant. He's pretty washed up stateside, so maybe he's considering it. Or it could be that the song was being spun by the capital network, which has a tendency to make songs hits here in the UK. It's also up to #15 and I wouldn't call that bad at all. It's the highest he's been on UK itunes. Might I also just ask, did you only create your account to hate on Adam? Seriously, you are just as bad as the "crazed fans".
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Post by greenlight on Jul 9, 2012 11:29:11 GMT -5
I also think that #15 is not bad at all, particularly since the album is also available. It is better than I expected considering the airplay.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2012 14:44:45 GMT -5
Don't feed the troll. Messy.
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Post by greenlight on Jul 10, 2012 8:49:53 GMT -5
According to the manager of chart show TV, @leytonb on twitter, Trespassing is #3 in the UK midweeks with 3869 copies sold, and NCOE is #12 with 6339 sold.
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Post by istemem on Jul 10, 2012 10:16:53 GMT -5
According to the manager of chart show TV, @leytonb on twitter, Trespassing is #3 in the UK midweeks with 3869 copies sold, and NCOE is #12 with 6339 sold. Not so brilliant question on my part but I know nothing: Is that good? ???
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Post by greenlight on Jul 10, 2012 12:25:07 GMT -5
According to the manager of chart show TV, @leytonb on twitter, Trespassing is #3 in the UK midweeks with 3869 copies sold, and NCOE is #12 with 6339 sold. Not so brilliant question on my part but I know nothing: Is that good? ??? #3 for Trespassing is good, hopefully it will hold for the rest of the week. The final numbers are usually about 2 or 2.5 times the Tuesday midweeks, so should end up around 8/10k. It's not a lot for a #3, last week the #4 sold 13k, but it's a quiet week. #12 for NCOE is not bad considering the airplay. If these chart positions hold, may be radio will play the song more. The BBC radios do add songs that sell well to their playlists, and a #3 for Trespassing may help. In brief, it's not great, but not bad, in my opinion.
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Post by crazychick on Jul 10, 2012 17:25:44 GMT -5
I haven't been tracking the UK stuff closely, but I read that most of the spins are coming from one station (Capital Radio). Is that true? Aren't any of the BBC Radio stations playing NCOE?
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Post by greenlight on Jul 11, 2012 5:28:05 GMT -5
I haven't been tracking the UK stuff closely, but I read that most of the spins are coming from one station (Capital Radio). Is that true? Aren't any of the BBC Radio stations playing NCOE? Capital Radio comprises several stations, including one in London, but yes, most of NCOE spins have come from them, although some other stations have started playing it a little in the last few days, but not the BBC stations. They have never given more than the odd spin to any of Adam's songs so far.
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Post by istemem on Jul 11, 2012 12:04:43 GMT -5
#3 for Trespassing is good, hopefully it will hold for the rest of the week. The final numbers are usually about 2 or 2.5 times the Tuesday midweeks, so should end up around 8/10k. It's not a lot for a #3, last week the #4 sold 13k, but it's a quiet week. #12 for NCOE is not bad considering the airplay. If these chart positions hold, may be radio will play the song more. The BBC radios do add songs that sell well to their playlists, and a #3 for Trespassing may help. In brief, it's not great, but not bad, in my opinion. Thank you, that was very helpful :)
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Post by greenlight on Jul 15, 2012 23:11:55 GMT -5
The official UK chart positions are NCOE #17, and Trespassing #16. By UK standards, it is far from great, and unlikely to trigger an increase in radio play. I am not sure where Adam can go from there
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Post by esoteric76 on Jul 17, 2012 11:29:53 GMT -5
Anyone else agree that "Cuckoo" is the smash track that will turn the Titanic around? Let's go here!
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Post by foxxden on Jul 17, 2012 12:34:27 GMT -5
Anyone else agree that "Cuckoo" is the smash track that will turn the Titanic around? Let's go here! I don't believe there is any hope for this era, but yes "Cuckoo" should have been released instead of "BTIKM" or "NCOE".
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