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Post by Devin on Dec 7, 2012 8:38:47 GMT -5
This is just as alternative as Mumford & Sons, and they hit #1. Huge difference in the lyrics, though Singing about cannibals, meat eaters, and lions = Alternative Singing about finding your home = pop Lol you are taking the lyrics of their songs way to literal. "Home" is about offering your love to another, which is along the same lines of Mumford & Sons' #1 hit "I Will Wait." Actually, just to further my argument against yours, the first line of "I Will Wait": Well I came home... ;)
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Post by atlantaboy on Dec 7, 2012 17:38:19 GMT -5
Huge difference in the lyrics, though Singing about cannibals, meat eaters, and lions = Alternative Singing about finding your home = pop Lol you are taking the lyrics of their songs way to literal. It's not about the meaning of the lyrics, dude - it's about the presentation of the lyrics, word choice, and their intended audience I'd love for CHR to play Mumford and for Alternative nationwide to play Phillip Phillipps, but from my point of view, the two are clearly not in the same genre of the pop vs. alternative spectrum "I Will Wait" is slightly more pop-leaning (lyric-wise) than anything from Mumford's first CD, but I know that they haven't even tried to promote it to pop at this point in time The other major obstacle to pop airplay is that Mumford & Sons hasn't put out a single yet that has garnered consistent Top 20 I-Tunes sales PRIOR to receiving CHR airplay
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Post by thisbeautifulmess on Dec 9, 2012 0:21:10 GMT -5
Why make a big deal about a song that's #39 and won't get much higher? How about debating why "Ho Hey" is an alternative hit? Or why "Hey there Delilah" was ever an alternative hit?
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Post by bluestar4 on Dec 11, 2012 11:44:22 GMT -5
Why make a big deal about a song that's #39 and won't get much higher? How about debating why "Ho Hey" is an alternative hit? Or why "Hey there Delilah" was ever an alternative hit? It's a pop song that isn't that great and has no place on Alternative. I frequently use "Ho Hey" as an example of why Alternative's going downhill. "Hey There Delilah" was an Alternative hit? I guess that's why when the song was being overplayed on pop my local alternative station had a DJ state on-air that they would never stoop so low by playing that song.
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Post by stetz on Dec 11, 2012 15:57:40 GMT -5
I'm getting some cynical vibes at this point. Poor analogy, but imagine if our backlash were being applied to people instead.
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Post by jvandyck87 on Dec 11, 2012 21:29:34 GMT -5
I can't say that your analogy is poor if I don't understand it, but the fact that I don't understand it doesn't bode well. Nevertheless please do explain. My curiosity has been piqued. :)
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Post by stetz on Dec 11, 2012 23:27:50 GMT -5
Like we're saying songs don't belong here, not based on quality, but based on type. Imagine if we were telling people they couldn't be at a given location based on there race or some other observational trait. Alternative is hardly a genre these days, and if a song is of fairly good quality, I really don't have an issue with anything charting on here, regardless of its other audiences. I wish I could articulate my point better, but I hope that made some sense.
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Post by jvandyck87 on Dec 12, 2012 0:03:50 GMT -5
Yeah I think I do disagree with your point. Alternative may not be a well-defined genre, but I think it at least serves to connote a style and aesthetic in music. The fact that you think quality should determine eligibility for alternative to me is actually more troublesome to me as that fits more with a supremacy analogy as related to people like the one you were making. While there are certain genres I'll never love, there are very well-crafted pop, country, hip-hop, R&B, etc. songs that clearly don't belong on alternative radio, but their exclusion shouldn't be taken to mean that they're not worthy so much as they don't fit. Alternative's key demographic is educated, middle-to-upperclass teenagers and young adults, and I would say, mostly caucasian. Maybe I can read your point on one hand to say that making that their demographic is elitist. My counter-argument would be to perceive your point as saying alternative music is a home for quality music and that music not preferred by this demographic is of a lesser quality, which to me would be more elitist. But I think that's the opposite of what you're intending. Ultimately alternative is a radio format for people with a taste preference for certain music, but not all high quality music can fit under that umbrella and at the end of the day, quality in music is highly subjective...unless your opinion agrees with mine in which case it's fact.
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Post by bluestar4 on Dec 12, 2012 1:27:24 GMT -5
Like we're saying songs don't belong here, not based on quality, but based on type. Imagine if we were telling people they couldn't be at a given location based on there race or some other observational trait. Alternative is hardly a genre these days, and if a song is of fairly good quality, I really don't have an issue with anything charting on here, regardless of its other audiences. I wish I could articulate my point better, but I hope that made some sense. People and music are completely different. When I turn on a country station, I don't expect/want to hear a song by Kanye West or Katy Perry. It doesn't matter how good I think the song is, it doesn't fit the format. Therefore, when I turn on the alternative station, I don't want to start hearing a song pop has been playing the hell out of for the past couple months. If people were saying they didn't want a song on a certain song on alternative because the artist wasn't white I would see where you are coming from. However, this song has a home on Pop, Hot AC, AC, and AAA. It doesn't need to be on alternative.
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Post by Walking Contradiction on Dec 12, 2012 1:52:19 GMT -5
I think this song fits on Alternative a lot better than Kanye West fits on country. But I guess as I've said before, seeing a song get played on Alternative after it's already hit more mainstream formats does seem a little odd. That said, it's not a huge deal to me, since I like the song and don't think it's that much of a stretch for the format aesthetically, plus it probably won't go much higher. I'd get more worried if this became a trend rather than just a few isolated incidents. As for the comparisons to Mumford & Sons, I do see atlantaboy's point - there's definitely a greater amount of darkness and depth in their lyrics, and an overall edgier and more organic feel to their music compared to this song. Plus there's the fact that they write and play all their own stuff. That said, this song is still a pretty admirable attempt at an indie-folk type song, especially considering that it came from American Idol. I actually like this song more than "Ho Hey", which I never cared for, though I don't really object to Alternative playing it.
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Post by stetz on Dec 12, 2012 11:54:19 GMT -5
I do see what everyone's saying, and yeah I made my point fairly extreme to make my point. I guess what I'm trying to say is that none of this is clearcut black & white.
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Post by jvandyck87 on Dec 12, 2012 13:38:22 GMT -5
Ahhh well when you put it like that, I concur! haha
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Post by tn05 on Dec 15, 2012 12:22:13 GMT -5
Why make a big deal about a song that's #39 and won't get much higher? How about debating why "Ho Hey" is an alternative hit? Or why "Hey there Delilah" was ever an alternative hit? It's a pop song that isn't that great and has no place on Alternative. I frequently use "Ho Hey" as an example of why Alternative's going downhill. "Hey There Delilah" was an Alternative hit? I guess that's why when the song was being overplayed on pop my local alternative station had a DJ state on-air that they would never stoop so low by playing that song. It peaked at No. 3 back in 2007, so it did go pretty far on Alt.
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Post by crash46 on Dec 15, 2012 15:22:23 GMT -5
For gods' sakes, Alternative is all about acting or looking a certain way. It has nothing to do with sounding a certain way.
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Post by Chato on Dec 15, 2012 16:59:24 GMT -5
Alternative to what? That's the question to be answered when considering which song has its place on alternative radio. There are probably tens of thousands of different, individual answers to that question. In the end most of us are probably clinging to a time when alternative radio "used to be great".
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Dec 15, 2012 22:07:06 GMT -5
Are we still stuck in the past where alternative was essentially a duplicate of rock again?
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