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Post by singingsparrow on Dec 6, 2003 16:27:10 GMT -5
I feel it is appropriate to start a thread on this as obviously in the course of this year we have seen a number of Hot AC its that were betrayed on CHR/Pop, and even Hot AC friendly CHR/Pop hits that have struggled or failed on Hot AC.
Here are some I had in mind:
*******Hot AC Successes/CHR/Pop Failures*******
Josh Kelley: "Amazing": By god, what happened here? He could have well become the next John Mayer, and CHR/Pop screwed his promotion up. "Amazing" went Top 10 on Hot AC, and if CHR/Pop took him seriously, not only could he have gone Top 30 at least but also peaked higher on Hot AC. Not so "Amazing" an ending! :(
Live: Heaven: Another huge betrayal. Here Live was destined to get their biggest mainstream hit ever since "Lightning Crashes" by far, but despite peaking at #4 on Hot AC, it barely went Top 40 on CHR/Pop, barely earning them their first Top 40 hit in almost a decade. The ending result: their worst album sales of their career thus far (less than 200,000) and even reluctance to release a second single from an album ("Birds of Pray") that had so much potential.
Goo-Goo Dolls: "Sympathy"/John Mayer: "Why Georgia": Two acoustic Hot AC Top-10 hits, with "Why Georgia" peaking at #50 and "Sympathy" missing out on charting altogether. And arguably if the Goo-Goo Dolls disappointment makes some sense with the band failing to sell 100,000 copies of "Gutterflower" in a year, the John Mayer cross-over flop is more unforgivable.
*******Hot AC-Friendly CHR/Pop Hits That Failed Or Underperformed on Hot AC*******
Maroon 5: Harder To Breathe: OK, so it actually has a bullet as a recurrent for some time now. Still, suprisingly, "Harder To Breathe" actually peaked higher on CHR/Pop than it did on any other format. (It peaked at #16 on Hot AC in its original run). By all means, it could well have gone #1 or at least Top 3. Now Hot AC should really take them seriously for their next single, said to be "This Love"
Fuel: Falls On Me: What's the big hold-up with this Top 30 hit on CHR/Pop? It barely has gone Top 30 on Hot AC. Surely it should be just outside of the Top 10 by now, next to Train's "When I Look To The Sky" or so.
Sincerely,
Noah Eaton
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Post by jimmy74747 on Dec 6, 2003 19:05:05 GMT -5
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Post by Mega248 on Dec 6, 2003 20:22:47 GMT -5
The reason the Josh Kelley song did nothing at pop is because the waited way too long to release it. Exactly the same thing can be said about "Chimps" by the BNL.
Here are a few more:
Sugar Ray "Is She Really Going Out With Him": This didn't even chart(or come close to charting) at CHR/Pop, yet it made the top 20 at Hot AC and even lasted long enough to go recurrent.
John Rzeznik "I'm Still Here": Pop completely fucked up on this song, but it still managed a #10 peak on Hot AC.
Vanessa Carlton "Ordinary Day": This went to #9 at CHR/Pop, yet it was never even released to Hot AC. Still peaked at #29 though.
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Post by Rumors on Dec 7, 2003 11:24:06 GMT -5
No additions right now but I just wanted to comment on Fuel. I think their album is in trouble. Have they had one or two songs chart on HotAC before? I just think PDs aren't supporting the group. A lot of artists come and go. Fuel looks to be a group that will only have one successful album.
Also, the new single isn't as strong as previous singles.
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Post by ExActLy99 on Dec 7, 2003 13:15:14 GMT -5
Totally agree, this song peaked at #43, it deserved at least Top 20, but even Top 10 in my opinion!
Also, last fall, Sheryl Crow's "Steve McQueen" should've gotten more Pop success.
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Post by allow that on Dec 7, 2003 13:18:24 GMT -5
In my opinion, Hot AC hits failing at Pop is an everyday occurrence. This is unfortunate, since usually it's my favorite Hot AC hits that fail at Pop... like Live's "Heaven," Sarah's "Fallen," Goo Goo Dolls "Sympathy" etc etc etc ETC!!!
It's really rare though when a big Hot AC song IS a hit at Pop and not Hot AC though. "Harder to Breathe" and "Ordinary Day" are the 2 major expamples that come to mind. Another example is "Stacy's Mom"
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Post by singingsparrow on Dec 7, 2003 14:17:02 GMT -5
No additions right now but I just wanted to comment on Fuel. I think their album is in trouble. Have they had one or two songs chart on HotAC before? I just think PDs aren't supporting the group. A lot of artists come and go. Fuel looks to be a group that will only have one successful album. Also, the new single isn't as strong as previous singles. "Hemmorhage (In My Hands)" and "Bad Day" both charted Hot AC (I don't know their peaks). And I agree that Fuel may be the next doomed band for any further commerical triumph. I don't see their second single doing anything on Alernative and Active Rock either. P.O.D and Eve 6 may also most likely be on the precipice, the latter I believe has radio-friendly material that if only promoted could do something, including their latest "At Least We're Dreaming". I am a bit suprised "Falls On Me" managed to go Top 30 on CHR/Pop however. Sincerely, Noah Eaton |
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Post by Radical347 on Dec 7, 2003 16:27:57 GMT -5
I don't even know why Harder to Breathe got as high as it did on Hot AC. It is so NOT a Hot AC song. It should have crossed over straight from Alt. to Pop, rather than from Alt. to AAA to Hot AC to Pop because it didn't fit the middle 2 formats at all.
I don't know why Stacy's Mom got as high on Hot AC as it did, either. I can't imagine many soccer moms singing along to that.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Dec 7, 2003 18:00:18 GMT -5
Chantal Kreviazuk's 'In This Life' hit #17 on Hot AC but wasn't even released to CHR/Pop. I wonder if there would be a better chance for it if it had been released there now?
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Post by allow that on Dec 7, 2003 19:50:34 GMT -5
I can't imagine many soccer moms singing along to that. LMAO. Even though, I can totally imagine it. A song about someone their son/daughter's age fantasizing over a fellow soccer mom? What would make one feel more youthful than that? (In a very weird sort of way) |
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Post by irice22 on Dec 7, 2003 20:00:04 GMT -5
Goo-Goo Dolls: "Sympathy"/John Mayer: "Why Georgia": Two acoustic Hot AC Top-10 hits, with "Why Georgia" peaking at #50 and "Sympathy" missing out on charting altogether. And arguably if the Goo-Goo Dolls disappointment makes some sense with the band failing to sell 100,000 copies of "Gutterflower" in a year, the John Mayer cross-over flop is more unforgivable. Although, "Why Goergia" did not go for adds on CHR/Pop. |
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Post by JCMF3 on Dec 8, 2003 0:08:39 GMT -5
Hot AC hits that failed on CHR/POP:
Nina Gordon - Tonight And The Rest of My Life
Natalie Merchant - Break Your Heart
Faith Hill - Cry
Sarah McLachlan - Fallen [?] This may be needed for the list with the current trends
CHR/POP hits that should have done better on Hot AC:
R. Kelly & Celine Dion - I'm Your Angel (wow, this song should have gone top 20 on Hot AC for sure...)
Kid Rock - Only God Knows Why (nearly PERFECT for Hot AC... but it only peaked at like #22)
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Post by chebingeo on Dec 8, 2003 1:18:27 GMT -5
Hot AC Hits That Failed on Pop:
Natalie Merchant - Life is Sweet
Anggun - Snow on the Sahara
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Post by halo19 on Dec 8, 2003 13:27:49 GMT -5
I don't even know why Harder to Breathe got as high as it did on Hot AC. It is so NOT a Hot AC song. It should have crossed over straight from Alt. to Pop, rather than from Alt. to AAA to Hot AC to Pop because it didn't fit the middle 2 formats at all. I don't know why Stacy's Mom got as high on Hot AC as it did, either. I can't imagine many soccer moms singing along to that. I get the feeling that HTB was popular on Hot AC, because most record companies know that if they do not spend as much money on that and AAA, it won't be as big of a crossover. The AAA $ were probably replaced from alt. I consider "Bad Day" hot a/c, but not "Hemmorhage" |
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Post by singingsparrow on Dec 8, 2003 13:48:58 GMT -5
I get the feeling that HTB was popular on Hot AC, because most record companies know that if they do not spend as much money on that and AAA, it won't be as big of a crossover. The AAA $ were probably replaced from alt. I consider "Bad Day" hot a/c, but not "Hemmorhage" The first time I heard "Kryptonite" I thought that was just terrible for Hot AC. Too loud and too Alternative. But the way 3 Doors Down have leaked right into Hot AC successfully, I think now more than ever would consider Fuel's "Hemmorhage" good for Hot AC. Heck, I at once thought Lifehouse's "Hanging By A Moment" was too loud for Hot AC. Sincerely, Noah Eaton |
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Post by halo19 on Dec 8, 2003 13:53:44 GMT -5
It's because it's too dark for soccer moms. However, BMTL seems to heavy for that format as well, and most bands that Eyeball complains about for being "too rock" don't fit here. However, there are a bunch of songs, such as "Crazy In Love", which aren't even close to fitting the format. I guess vh1 is also an influence on hot a/c ratings.
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Post by BigD on Dec 11, 2003 17:16:54 GMT -5
I think "Hemorrhage" peaked around #8 if I remember correctly. KYSR in LA played an acoustic version that fit the Hot AC format much better.
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Post by JCMF3 on Dec 11, 2003 21:57:55 GMT -5
I think "Hemorrhage" peaked around #8 if I remember correctly. KYSR in LA played an acoustic version that fit the Hot AC format much better. I don't remember the song getting that high on Hot AC!! :o :o It only peaked at #21 on pop, so I thought it had a similar peak on Hot AC. |
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Post by EvanJ on Dec 12, 2003 14:28:13 GMT -5
Well "Bad Day" made the Top 20 so wouldn't it have made sense for "Hemorrhage (In My Hands)" to do better than that.
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Post by NORTHCOAST on Dec 12, 2003 17:36:48 GMT -5
I don't usually like to sound like an idiot, but I don't understand half of the posts on this thread. ??? Not too conversant with radio business I guess. Can someone explain the different formats and how the chart of one format affects another?
Thanks! I love learning this stuff. You guys amaze me sometimes!
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Post by Daniel Shywaoub on Dec 13, 2003 21:32:42 GMT -5
Also, last fall, Sheryl Crow's "Steve McQueen" should've gotten more Pop success. Shoot, the kids don't even know who Steve is!  |
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Post by johnnywest on Dec 19, 2003 10:07:14 GMT -5
That was one of my favorite songs from 2000. Unfortunately, it only peaked on the pop chart somewhere in the mid 40s.
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