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Post by marv1978 on Feb 4, 2011 22:11:20 GMT -5
??? Yeah it is, the band decides which cuts to send to radio the band can put theyre input in and some pushy artists like Poison and Pink 4 some reason both come 2 mind or like mellencamp did with "jack and dianne" he fought the rec. co. 2 have it released against theyre wishes but most times, trust me its either in the promotional dept of rec. biz that decides or atleast has final say! Once u sign the dotted line :) I really don't think people believe i know the biz, i wouldnt believe me either but i have actually been in Clive Davis office in NY city at the Sony building 3rd floor just in 2009 Once u hear it from theyre side it all makes since lol. it's a buisness and they love the artists that make them $$$$$$ on publishing and royalties the most. He actually spoke of Rob Thomas being the songwriter of my generation lol, plus inask tons of questions i was like a kid in toyland
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Post by lockebox on Feb 4, 2011 22:34:25 GMT -5
Did all this happen in some dream you had last night?
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Post by Rumors on Feb 5, 2011 10:26:40 GMT -5
I actually think the quality of the singles this era have been okay. However, as I said when I heard Misery, I didn't hear a smash with that song and the so-so downloads of a lead single from a previously huge band bears that out. The song didn't connect with non-fans. I agree with atlantaboy on this one, their popularity has just decreased. I'm not sure having better songs would have helped much. Much of their popularity on that first record was built on image and selling Adam as a sex symbol in those steamy videos. It worked. I also thought the video for Misery was just terrible with no imagination at all. That also didn't help. They are probably at a level of popularity that they can sustain through a few more albums.
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Post by Hook on Feb 5, 2011 10:45:26 GMT -5
Much of their popularity on that first record was built on image and selling Adam as a sex symbol in those steamy videos. It worked. I completely disagree. This Love and SWBL weren't massive radio hits because of Adam's image, it was because they were great songs. Misery did its job. There's no reason to think they shouldn't have put that out as the first single. The big problem was GALM as the follow-up. If they had released a different single, possibly NGLTB or Stutter, this whole era might have gone differently.
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Post by atlantaboy on Feb 5, 2011 11:12:07 GMT -5
^I think the album was selling pretty poorly though from the beginning (when the only single out was Misery) - I guess a really good second single could've rebounded it, but I think it would've had to have been stronger than Misery - basically, it looks like people who bought the album off hearing Misery, in general, weren't impressed with the rest of the songs, and therefore the album didn't get good "buzz"
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Post by The Party Captain on Feb 5, 2011 12:22:55 GMT -5
They're a pop rock band, guys. How many pop rock bands sustain that level of popularity for three albums and 8-9 years?
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Post by Rumors on Feb 5, 2011 13:10:18 GMT -5
They're a pop rock band, guys. How many pop rock bands sustain that level of popularity for three albums and 8-9 years? None actually that I can think of but not many bands in the past 10-12 years have had the push that Maroon5 got. Millions and millions of dollars were pumped into this band to make them stars or more accurately to make Adam a star. I'm sure that there is some major disappoint in their camp over how quickly their star has fallen. I'm not a fan of this band but I thought they could remain in that superstar echleon much longer than they did. But as we have all mentioned time and time again on these boards, pop fans are very, very fickle and move on to the next thing very quickly. Most bands have a more loyal "rock" fan base to help soften that blow. They are probably now at a level of success that they will be able to maintain. This album was probably a leveling off period for them. The Fray also didn't do nearly as well on their second album but I consider them much more of a HotAC band. Maroon5 has always been a pop band to me. They may do reallly well on HotAC but their sound is purely pop.
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Post by Hook on Feb 5, 2011 13:22:07 GMT -5
^ I disagree with the last part. Especially with how Hot AC has evolved in the past few years, M5's sound is perfect for the format. Despite the underperformance of GALM, I still see them as being a core Hot AC band for however many more years they decide to record.
Honestly, I'm not surprised that they aren't huge pop superstars at this point. If anything, the expectations for this era were probably too high. They still opened with 140k first week, which isn't terrible, and they've done fine touring. Just because they haven't been able to match the success of SAJ doesn't mean they're finished.
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Post by HereIsGone on Feb 5, 2011 13:22:58 GMT -5
They're a pop rock band, guys. How many pop rock bands sustain that level of popularity for three albums and 8-9 years? Matchbox twenty,the Goo Goo Dolls and Lifehouse? Haha. Sorry for being cheeky for actually trying to answer that. It's literally what popped into my head. I know I'm wrong (and looking into a time machine for 2 of the 3). But yeah, Hot AC / pop loves to spit things out fast. As what was said before, I think you'd have a legitimately better shot at maintaining a base if you're in Active Rock / Alternative. I mean, artists don't seem to be penalized for hitting the 10+ year mark and still releasing music.
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Post by atlantaboy on Feb 5, 2011 13:39:32 GMT -5
Maroon 5 has been around for just over 7 years
The Goo Goo Dolls were solid on Hot AC from 1996-2006 (10 years), Matchbox 20/Rob Thomas for 13 years (1997-2010), Nickelback for 9 years and counting (2001-2010) and Lifehouse for 9 years and counting (2001-2010)
If the songs on this CD were solid, they'd be fine - and if they write really good songs (and switch up the sound a bit) for their next CD, IMO they'll be fine
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Post by HereIsGone on Feb 5, 2011 13:42:25 GMT -5
Hot damn, I'm not completely off my rocker. Neat. Oh, and Home was still made top 10 regardless of what you've said about the album so that makes it 14, not 10 years. I wouldn't count them out yet, really.
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Post by atlantaboy on Feb 5, 2011 13:46:42 GMT -5
Hot damn, I'm not completely off my rocker. Neat. Oh, and Home was still top 10 so that makes it 14, not 10. I wouldn't count them out yet if Notbroken was a fluke flop. Honeslty, I wouldn't count anyone out (especially not Nickelback and Rob/Matchbox 20 since they haven't even shown signs of declining) BTW it's 12 years and counting now for Train (1999-2011)!!
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Post by HereIsGone on Feb 5, 2011 13:48:27 GMT -5
Hot damn, I'm not completely off my rocker. Neat. Oh, and Home was still top 10 so that makes it 14, not 10. I wouldn't count them out yet if Notbroken was a fluke flop. Honeslty, I wouldn't count anyone out (especially not Nickelback and Rob/Matchbox 20 since they haven't even shown signs of declining) BTW it's 12 years and counting now for Train (1999-2011)!! Ok. Just making sure you didn't imply anything with saying 10 years. Oh, and I hadn't even thought of Train. Then again, didn't they have a big lull with an album or two? (and I very well may be mistaken since I don't own any Train albums so do excuse me if I am wrong on that.)
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Post by atlantaboy on Feb 5, 2011 13:51:28 GMT -5
^I mean, musically and lyrically I think Rzeznik's stuck in a rut, but it's just a gut feeling - he could wake up a year from now and write the biggest song of his career
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Post by HereIsGone on Feb 5, 2011 14:25:30 GMT -5
It's been said through some articles that he is writing at the moment and he's said he does not want another huge gap between albums again. Maybe this change of pace is indicative of something since he generally does not write on the road. Maybe a spark of some type? Who knows.
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Post by marv1978 on Feb 5, 2011 17:47:55 GMT -5
Did all this happen in some dream you had last night? moderator, isn't calling someone a liar a warning 4 being banned. i'd rather someone call me anything but a liar, that my good name! fighting words....i don't lie! and don't have to prove anything 2 u, so if your teeny mind can only think to insult in a debate then i guess maybe we need to contact your parents to ground u lol..are you 13?
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Post by lockebox on Feb 5, 2011 18:20:51 GMT -5
You needed to take that a little more lightheartedly, but ok.
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Post by atlantaboy on Feb 8, 2011 21:50:35 GMT -5
So I definitely wouldn't count Maroon 5 out yet...
64 35 MAROON 5 Never Gonna Leave Th... 394 75 319
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Post by Hook on Feb 8, 2011 22:13:57 GMT -5
Most added with 21, even higher than the new Colbie Caillat single. It never even had a release date, did it?
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Post by marv1978 on Feb 8, 2011 22:18:02 GMT -5
i hope this can be huge!! there are 2 songs i really want released
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Post by Hook on Feb 8, 2011 22:37:59 GMT -5
^ Which songs? I'd love Stutter and Hands All Over to be released, though I know HAO isn't happening.
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Post by marv1978 on Feb 8, 2011 23:24:49 GMT -5
^ Which songs? I'd love Stutter and Hands All Over to be released, though I know HAO isn't happening. "Stutter" and "How" close behind "Hands All over" you know i'd be happy with Stutter and Hands all Over because both are catchy and great songs! i'd really be in heaven if somehow "How" made it as a single lol i wish they could release singles like they did in the 80s i remember bryan adams reckless had like 6-7 singles same with michael jackson, def leppard and bruce springsteen albums, but i can only dream :)
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Post by Hook on Feb 10, 2011 10:16:53 GMT -5
53 34 MAROON 5 Never Gonna Leave Th... 494 133 361 2.061 This is off to a nice start. I even heard it on my local HAC already. Sounds great on the radio.
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Post by The Party Captain on Feb 20, 2011 2:57:34 GMT -5
^ Which songs? I'd love Stutter and Hands All Over to be released, though I know HAO isn't happening. "Stutter" and "How" close behind "Hands All over" you know i'd be happy with Stutter and Hands all Over because both are catchy and great songs! i'd really be in heaven if somehow "How" made it as a single lol i wish they could release singles like they did in the 80s i remember bryan adams reckless had like 6-7 singles same with michael jackson, def leppard and bruce springsteen albums, but i can only dream :) Ah the age of overkill. You don't have to look too far. Nickelback's album had 6 or 7. Same goes for Daughtry's debut.
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Post by marv1978 on Feb 20, 2011 22:30:22 GMT -5
"Stutter" and "How" close behind "Hands All over" you know i'd be happy with Stutter and Hands all Over because both are catchy and great songs! i'd really be in heaven if somehow "How" made it as a single lol i wish they could release singles like they did in the 80s i remember bryan adams reckless had like 6-7 singles same with michael jackson, def leppard and bruce springsteen albums, but i can only dream :) Ah the age of overkill. You don't have to look too far. Nickelback's album had 6 or 7. Same goes for Daughtry's debut. awwi know im old im 32 and i know artists still do that sometimes, i just miss the frequency and radio/fan loyalties of yesteryears lol, i mean billy joel had a hige hit in 94 with river of dreams 20 years after Piano Man, these days one bad cd and you're black balled most times imo
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Post by lockebox on Feb 21, 2011 18:03:42 GMT -5
Very true. This band is in danger of becoming irrelevant.
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Post by Devin on Feb 21, 2011 18:24:50 GMT -5
So far in this era:
Hands All Over (not a single, but still) >>> Misery >>>>>> Never Gonna Leave This Bed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Give A Little More
I have yet to hear more songs from this album.
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Post by lockebox on Feb 21, 2011 18:30:27 GMT -5
Ah, you like the one I recommended. ;)
Personally, I wish they would make more material like "Harder to Breathe".
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Post by Devin on Feb 21, 2011 18:39:06 GMT -5
^ Yes, they should try and gain some ground back on rock with material like "Hands All Over" and "Harder to Breathe". That and "This Love" are my favs from Songs About Jane.
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Post by HereIsGone on Feb 21, 2011 19:05:58 GMT -5
I don't have the album so I listened to Hands All Over on YouTube. Quite a delightfully sassy number. :)
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