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Post by erzo01 on Jan 20, 2011 7:53:36 GMT -5
New in Hot AC Cool New Music section of Allaccess.
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Post by Trent on Jan 20, 2011 11:18:22 GMT -5
I could see this going top 10 in Hot AC.
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Post by HereIsGone on Jan 20, 2011 13:08:57 GMT -5
I didn't have the album so I just listened to the song just now. Love it!
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Post by Hook on Jan 20, 2011 13:14:15 GMT -5
If GALM can get to #10, this should easily be Top 5 at HAC. Not one of my faves from the album, but a good song.
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Post by Kurt on Jan 20, 2011 17:42:53 GMT -5
I definitely think it's radio-friendly, so I'd hope it does well too. *crosses fingers*
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Post by atlantaboy on Jan 20, 2011 19:17:12 GMT -5
If GALM can get to #10, this should easily be Top 5 at HAC. Mediabase has Give A Little More peaking at #11 - did it hit #10 in Billboard?
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Post by marv1978 on Jan 20, 2011 20:20:30 GMT -5
If GALM can get to #10, this should easily be Top 5 at HAC. Mediabase has Give A Little More peaking at #11 - did it hit #10 in Billboard? yeah, and 4 some reason go to all access.com and in the mediabase section for hot ac top 50 look at its peak #10 too, weird and on the mediabase that just shows the top 40 it says #11, i guess the billboard peak will be the one published in joel whitburn's upcoming book of billboard adult hits, which has ac and hot ac archives in it. pretty cool, i got the last updated one!
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Post by The Party Captain on Jan 21, 2011 1:48:55 GMT -5
Hell yeah. I knew this was a Hot AC smash from the moment I heard it. I was wondering for a while because everywhere was showing "Stutter" as the next single, which I think would've flopped worse that GALM did.
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Post by gtomaro on Jan 21, 2011 11:35:41 GMT -5
Mediabase has Give A Little More peaking at #11 - did it hit #10 in Billboard? yeah, and 4 some reason go to all access.com and in the mediabase section for hot ac top 50 look at its peak #10 too, weird and on the mediabase that just shows the top 40 it says #11, i guess the billboard peak will be the one published in joel whitburn's upcoming book of billboard adult hits, which has ac and hot ac archives in it. pretty cool, i got the last updated one! BTW, when is that updated book (Joel Whitburn's Top Adult Hits) coming out?
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Post by marv1978 on Jan 21, 2011 14:48:27 GMT -5
yeah, and 4 some reason go to all access.com and in the mediabase section for hot ac top 50 look at its peak #10 too, weird and on the mediabase that just shows the top 40 it says #11, i guess the billboard peak will be the one published in joel whitburn's upcoming book of billboard adult hits, which has ac and hot ac archives in it. pretty cool, i got the last updated one! BTW, when is that updated book (Joel Whitburn's Top Adult Hits) coming out? i'm not sure its tba, i heard rumours of b4 christmas this year, i hope sooner, i wore the last one out lol,if i hear anything i'll post it with a link 4 u :)
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Post by Jay on Jan 21, 2011 15:22:07 GMT -5
Perfect choice.
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Post by gtomaro on Jan 21, 2011 15:31:21 GMT -5
BTW, when is that updated book (Joel Whitburn's Top Adult Hits) coming out? i'm not sure its tba, i heard rumours of b4 christmas this year, i hope sooner, i wore the last one out lol,if i hear anything i'll post it with a link 4 u :) Thanks.
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Post by singingsparrow on Jan 21, 2011 16:32:05 GMT -5
I agree it's probably the best choice they can make, but somehow I sense this is going to underperform off their declining momentum alone, and be their second-consecutive single to miss the Top Ten on Mediabase ("Give A Little More" managed a Top Ten entry on the Billboard chart companion)
I'm surprised they've declined so suddenly in their commercial stature, although I do believe their sound can't help but seem dated with the way Hot Adult Contemporary radio has shifted heavily towards recent Mainstream Top 40 flavors, in which both popular rock and rhythmic hues are represented but are underscored heavily by an electropop gloss.
Maroon 5, in contrast, is unmistakably current-sounding, but they seem to wear their influences more ostensibly, which are heavily Prince, Stevie Wonder and blue-eyed soul, and even then they sadly probably sound like relics to a considerable swath of listeners. John Legend, in spite of his sure success, probably hasn't dominated the charts for much the same reason, and he basically had to cater to obvious trends to make "Evolver" a greater success.
Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus
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Post by kt1990 on Jan 21, 2011 17:31:18 GMT -5
I really think this should do well on HAC. I'd hate for the era to be over so soon, so I'm rooting for this. It's probably one of the best on the album, too.
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Post by atlantaboy on Jan 21, 2011 20:45:44 GMT -5
I agree it's probably the best choice they can make, but somehow I sense this is going to underperform off their declining momentum alone, and be their second-consecutive single to miss the Top Ten on Mediabase ("Give A Little More" managed a Top Ten entry on the Billboard chart companion) I'm surprised they've declined so suddenly in their commercial stature, although I do believe their sound can't help but seem dated with the way Hot Adult Contemporary radio has shifted heavily towards recent Mainstream Top 40 flavors, in which both popular rock and rhythmic hues are represented but are underscored heavily by an electropop gloss. Maroon 5, in contrast, is unmistakably current-sounding, but they seem to wear their influences more ostensibly, which are heavily Prince, Stevie Wonder and blue-eyed soul, and even then they sadly probably sound like relics to a considerable swath of listeners. John Legend, in spite of his sure success, probably hasn't dominated the charts for much the same reason, and he basically had to cater to obvious trends to make "Evolver" a greater success. Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus I don't think there's anything wrong with Maroon 5's sound, cause Misery hit #1 easily - seems like the material on the current CD is probably kind of weak in a lot of people's eyes, cause the album is selling really poorly compared to their previous CDs
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Post by HereIsGone on Jan 21, 2011 20:50:26 GMT -5
You can't really use CD sales as the basis of your argument though. Nearly everyone's hurting in that regard. The singles sound fine to me, pretty much on par with the other eras. It's probably just radio complicating things.
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Post by atlantaboy on Jan 21, 2011 21:43:03 GMT -5
You can't really use CD sales as the basis of your argument though. Nearly everyone's hurting in that regard. Naw, their CD sales (compared to everyone else's current CD sales in 2010-2011) are really poor - nothing like the previous M5 CDs - if you compare the Billboard Top 200 initial chart runs, it's like night and day
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Post by singingsparrow on Jan 21, 2011 21:56:19 GMT -5
You can't really use CD sales as the basis of your argument though. Nearly everyone's hurting in that regard. The singles sound fine to me, pretty much on par with the other eras. It's probably just radio complicating things. Selling less than a third of its predecessor in its first week of release, like it or not, IS reasonable ground to basing such an argument on. Also worthy of note is that "Misery" was released as a digital single even a few weeks before it ascended the radio charts, and despite the high entry it also did not sell notably well. "Misery" managed to top the Adult Top 40 and go Top Ten on the Mainstream Top 40, so I fail to see how it's "radio complicating things". Besides that, some bands have done supremely well with very little radio support to this day, such as the Dave Matthews Band, who sold almost as well with scant airplay their most recent era than they did during the "Everyday" and "Busted Stuff" eras with generous airplay. Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus
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Post by HereIsGone on Jan 21, 2011 22:30:19 GMT -5
A third? Ok. I'll own up to the fact I hadn't bothered to check the actual sales data because it was so commonplace for bands to not be able to match previous era sales by a fair margin. I didn't think it was that bad.
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Post by marv1978 on Jan 22, 2011 14:14:30 GMT -5
A third? Ok. I'll own up to the fact I hadn't bothered to check the actual sales data because it was so commonplace for bands to not be able to match previous era sales by a fair margin. I didn't think it was that bad. the record biz trade mags i read, its funny, i always here how theyre starting to just now rebound from the effects of illegal file swapping of mp3s. like it or not, this still happens on torrent sites, itune codes 4 free, soundcard recording. the biz understands and its no mystery that some people, esp. casual music fans aren't gonna buy the material when they kind find it 4 free, "hands all over" was up on toorent sites nearly a month b4 its actual release!!!!!!!!!! its not rocket science and its funny when people are like man, that cd only went GOLD, but then 3 singles went platinum on itunes lol, its going back to a single driven market, i read this! itunes and other similar music vendors are offering 4 the most part, a chance to just buy thr tracks u want after listening to a 40-50 sec clip 2 decide...all this = lower lower cd sales, in the future cds will be obselete like cassettes,vinyl,8 tracks. the ones that remain selling decent are always like dave matthews, the boss, dylan because theyre fans are alot my dads age and dont know how 2 use itunes lmao and the younger artists like taylor swift, katy perry, pink because teenage girls don't want theyre iphones tooken away 4 getting that copyright letter in the mail, they buy the cd, read about them, buy the teen magz the whole shaabang! all the mindless rambling, were gonna see bands that sold 4-5 million struggle to go gold, no suprise. but the record biz is a biz and believe me they are still making $$$$$$$$$$$$ in other areas, radio royalties, merchandising, concerts and publishing baby!
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Post by The Party Captain on Jan 24, 2011 17:31:04 GMT -5
I believe this album is their best yet. We're just dealing with the law of diminishing returns here. Maroon 5 is more potent than ever. It's the world that has moved on.
Marv, you have good points there. One thing I think we are neglecting is the rise of independent labels thanks to the internet. In the 90s, we had blockbuster albums because it was a fairly closed market. Most people were only exposed to what they heard on the radio, late night TV, etc. This played straight into the hands of the major labels.
Today, people can search for music. It is easier to cultivate genre exploration. I can go on YouTube right now and listen to sitar, funk, or whatever tickles my fancy at the moment. I believe we are growing as a culture artistically. The Internet is causing a Renaissance. It's not here to serve the interests of the corporate fat cats. This is good for America.
Piracy is becoming irrelevant. Governments are cracking down. The average pirate is becoming more wary about being caught. People have YouTube playlists now. Streaming is what's really killing them, but there's no going back from that.
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Post by The Party Captain on Jan 24, 2011 17:33:44 GMT -5
You can't really use CD sales as the basis of your argument though. Nearly everyone's hurting in that regard. Naw, their CD sales (compared to everyone else's current CD sales in 2010-2011) are really poor - nothing like the previous M5 CDs - if you compare the Billboard Top 200 initial chart runs, it's like night and day It should be noted that with iTunes and Amazon, the record labels are still making sizable profit without hardly any tangible cost. Sorry, I ain't exactly crying for any of them.
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Post by marv1978 on Jan 24, 2011 22:55:00 GMT -5
I believe this album is their best yet. We're just dealing with the law of diminishing returns here. Maroon 5 is more potent than ever. It's the world that has moved on. Marv, you have good points there. One thing I think we are neglecting is the rise of independent labels thanks to the internet. In the 90s, we had blockbuster albums because it was a fairly closed market. Most people were only exposed to what they heard on the radio, late night TV, etc. This played straight into the hands of the major labels. Today, people can search for music. It is easier to cultivate genre exploration. I can go on YouTube right now and listen to sitar, funk, or whatever tickles my fancy at the moment. I believe we are growing as a culture artistically. The Internet is causing a Renaissance. It's not here to serve the interests of the corporate fat cats. This is good for America. Piracy is becoming irrelevant. Governments are cracking down. The average pirate is becoming more wary about being caught. People have YouTube playlists now. Streaming is what's really killing them, but there's no going back from that. ", people can search for music. It is easier to cultivate genre exploration. I can go on YouTube right now and listen to sitar, funk, or whatever tickles my fancy at the moment. I believe we are growing as a culture artistically. The Internet is causing a Renaissance. It's not here to serve the interests of the corporate fat cats. This is good for America" Good points, i never thought of it from that perspective! very true! :)
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Post by atlantaboy on Jan 25, 2011 6:36:38 GMT -5
I mean, all this is true, but it doesn't affect Maroon 5 disproportionally to everyone else - their CDs disappointing chart run on the Billboard Top 200 Album Chart has nothing to do with streaming, YouTube, ITunes, or anything else but what was viewed by the public as lower quality material Justin Bieber is probably the most streamed artist of the year, and his album sales are still through the roof
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Post by Trent on Feb 4, 2011 11:27:30 GMT -5
Top 50 in Hot AC!
68 48 MAROON 5 Never Gonna Leave This Bed 174 52 122 0.732
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Post by Hook on Feb 4, 2011 12:06:31 GMT -5
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Post by marv1978 on Feb 4, 2011 15:39:53 GMT -5
I mean, all this is true, but it doesn't affect Maroon 5 disproportionally to everyone else - their CDs disappointing chart run on the Billboard Top 200 Album Chart has nothing to do with streaming, YouTube, ITunes, or anything else but what was viewed by the public as lower quality material Justin Bieber is probably the most streamed artist of the year, and his album sales are still through the roof c'mon beiber lol, so was new kids n the block, britney, the monkees, the partridge family, kriss kross lol, teen girls buy his looks they are in puppy love and parents fork out cash to make theyre daughters happy thanking God its just Beiber and theyre not dealing with teenage mom yet lmfbo! but everyone knows, the correct singles sell a cd, if america or the radio doesn't play the best cuts from the cd it's not the bands fault. "Misery" "Stutter" "Never Gonna Leave This Bed" "Hands All Over" "How" in that order, i guarentee a better outcome! "GALM" was a great song & jam but not as radio friendly for a 2nd single!
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Post by marv1978 on Feb 4, 2011 15:44:19 GMT -5
I mean, all this is true, but it doesn't affect Maroon 5 disproportionally to everyone else - their CDs disappointing chart run on the Billboard Top 200 Album Chart has nothing to do with streaming, YouTube, ITunes, or anything else but what was viewed by the public as lower quality material Justin Bieber is probably the most streamed artist of the year, and his album sales are still through the roof c'mon beiber lol, so was new kids n the block, britney, the monkees, the partridge family, kriss kross lol, teen girls buy his looks they are in puppy love and parents fork out cash to make theyre daughters happy thanking God its just Beiber and theyre not dealing with teenage mom yet lmfbo! but everyone knows, the correct singles sell a cd, if america or the radio doesn't play the best cuts from the cd it's not the bands fault. "Misery" "Stutter" "Never Gonna Leave This Bed" "Hands All Over" "How" in that order, i guarentee a better outcome! "GALM" was a great song & jam but not as radio friendly for a 2nd single! but if were talking about music for teens or in a kids perspective, heck yea beiber rules! lol... no bands no matter how well they can play write and sing can compare to beiber lol to a teenage girl c'mon, my mom told me in the 70s girls were crazy over davy jones, david cassidy and leif garret and they got spotlight over Elton John, Rod stewart, and Billy Joel, nw fast forward 35 years, whos career would u want, just saying. this is pulse MUSIC board not just Pulse Radio Stats whatever hot will jump on the bandwagon Board. I love music and i am a fan!
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Post by atlantaboy on Feb 4, 2011 21:52:24 GMT -5
if america or the radio doesn't play the best cuts from the cd it's not the bands fault. ??? Yeah it is, the band decides which cuts to send to radio
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Post by marv1978 on Feb 4, 2011 22:09:04 GMT -5
if america or the radio doesn't play the best cuts from the cd it's not the bands fault. ??? Yeah it is, the band decides which cuts to send to radio the band can put theyre input in and some pushy artists like Poison and Pink 4 some reason both come 2 mind or like mellencamp did with "jack and dianne" he fought the rec. co. 2 have it released against theyre wishes but most times, trust me its either in the promotional dept of rec. biz that decides or atleast has final say! Once u sign the dotted line :) I really don't think people believe i know the biz, i wouldnt believe me either but i have actually been in Clive Davis office in NY city at the Sony building 3rd floor just in 2009
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