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Post by jenglisbe on Oct 9, 2018 9:25:59 GMT -5
Come on, Janet!!
How come the list at the bottom doesn't show Radiohead or Rage Against the Machine?
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Post by Nick on Oct 9, 2018 9:29:49 GMT -5
Stevie Nicks and Def Leppard are currently leading the fan votes.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Oct 9, 2018 9:30:28 GMT -5
hitsdailydouble.com/news&id=313705&title=TODD,-DEVO,-PRINE-ON-ROCK-HALL-BALLOT Tuesday, October 9, 2018 TODD, DEVO, PRINE ON ROCK HALL BALLOT Todd Rundgren, John Prine and Devo are on the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame ballot for the first time. Joining those neglected greats are three other worthy first-timers— Roxy Music, Stevie Nicks and Def Leppard—as well as more recent acts Radiohead, The Cure and Rage Against the Machine who have been through this process before. None of the acts nominated are in their first year of eligibility. To be eligible, an individual artist or band must have released its first commercial recording at least 25 years prior. Among the returning nominees are: Janet Jackson, Kraftwerk, LL Cool J, MC5, Rufus & Chaka Khan and The Zombies.Ballots will be sent to a voting body of more than 1,000 artists, historians and members of the music industry. Fans can vote beginning today and up until 12/9 here. The induction ceremony will be held 3/29 at Barclays Center in Brooklyn. Did we mention that Todd Rundgren is finally on the ballot? Is everyone wearing their Energy Dome?
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Post by HolidayGuy on Oct 9, 2018 9:31:13 GMT -5
Here's the rundown of nominees, in terms of years they've been eligible and how many nominations they've had thus far:
* The Cure- 16th year of eligibility; Second nomination * Def Leppard- 15th year of eligibility; First nomination * Devo- 17th year of eligibility; First nomination * Janet Jackson- 12th year of eligibility; Third nomination * John Prine- 23rd year of eligibility; First nomination * Kraftwerk- 24th year of eligibility; Fifth nomination * LL Cool J- 10th year of eligibility; Fifth nomination * MC5- 28th year of eligibility; Fourth nomination * Radiohead- Second year of eligibility; Second nomination * Rage Against the Machine- Second year of eligibility; Second nomination * Roxy Music- 22nd year of eligibility; First nomination * Rufus featuring Chaka Khan- 20th year of eligibility; Third nomination (Khan had two solo nominations in recent years) * Stevie Nicks- 13th year of eligibility; First nomination (an inductee as part of Fleetwood Mac) * Todd Rundgren- 24th year of eligibility; First nomination * The Zombies- 30th year of eligibility; Fourth nomination
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2018 9:34:25 GMT -5
Wow, great nominee list this year!
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Post by Caviar on Oct 9, 2018 9:36:01 GMT -5
Janet Jackson, Stevie Nicks and Def Leppard Nominated for Rock & Roll Hall of FameFolk, new wave, hip-hop, R&B, rap-rock, heavy metal and good old-fashioned rock ’n’ roll are among the many genres (and subgenres) represented by the latest shortlist of nominees for induction into the ever-broadening Rock & Roll Hall of Fame. Stevie Nicks (already an inductee as a member of Fleetwood Mac), Def Leppard, John Prine, Roxy Music, Devo and Todd Rundgren are the first-time nominees for the 2019 class, it was announced on Tuesday, joining a more diverse selection of returning acts who have not made the final cut, including Janet Jackson, Radiohead and Rage Against the Machine. The rapper LL Cool J was nominated for a fifth time, and would become the seventh hip-hop act inducted, the first since Tupac Shakur in the class of 2017. Others who have been passed over before and were granted another chance: Kraftwerk (four previous nominations); MC5 (three); the Zombies (three); Rufus featuring Chaka Khan (two); and the Cure (one). A mostly opaque nominating committee decides on the Rock Hall shortlist every year; artists become eligible for nomination 25 years after the release of their first recording. Ballots are then sent to an international voting body of more than 1,000 artists, historians and music industry figures who consider “an artist’s musical influence on other artists, length and depth of career and the body of work, innovation and superiority in style and technique,” the Rock Hall said. A fan ballot will also be available online and in person at the Rock Hall’s museum in Cleveland. The final list of inductees, which typically number five artists, is announced in December. The 2019 induction ceremony is scheduled for March 29 at the Barclays Center in Brooklyn. Excerpts from the show will be broadcast later by HBO and SiriusXM radio. In recent years, the Rock Hall has expanded its definition of rock ’n’ roll following criticism about its lack of racial, gender and artistic diversity. This year’s inductees included two black women — Nina Simone and Sister Rosetta Tharpe, who received the Award for Early Influence — although no living women or people of color were featured. Bon Jovi, the Cars, Dire Straits and the Moody Blues rounded out the group. Janet Jackson Stevie Nicks Def Leppard John Prine Roxy Music Devo Todd Rundgren LL Cool J Kraftwerk MC5 Zombies Rufus Feat. Chaka Khan The Cure Radiohead Rage Against the Machine? www.nytimes.com/2018/10/09/arts/music/rock-hall-of-fame-2019-nominees.html *bumping to this page*
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Post by Caviar on Oct 9, 2018 9:36:45 GMT -5
Come on, Janet!! How come the list at the bottom doesn't show Radiohead or Rage Against the Machine? The Times article was poorly written. I've updated it.
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Post by Gary on Oct 9, 2018 12:06:34 GMT -5
If they continue their recent pattern of backfilling overlooked acts - it looks like Def Leppard, Stevie Nicks and Janet Jackson
Otherwise, as it pertains to rock - kind of a weak list
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Post by jenglisbe on Oct 9, 2018 13:09:50 GMT -5
If they continue their recent pattern of backfilling overlooked acts - it looks like Def Leppard, Stevie Nicks and Janet Jackson Otherwise, as it pertains to rock - kind of a weak list Radiohead should be an easy pick, not sure why they didn't get in before.
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Post by #LisaRinna on Oct 9, 2018 16:29:54 GMT -5
Fingers crossed for Queen Janet!
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Post by Nick on Oct 9, 2018 17:22:51 GMT -5
Why Stevie Nicks' Rock & Roll Hall of Fame nomination is historicBy Troy L. Smith, Cleveland.com CLEVELAND, Ohio - Stevie Nicks could become the first woman to be inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame twice - once with her band and now, potentially, as a solo artist. Nicks joins 14 other artists on this year's ballot. Her induction would be a huge step forward for an institution that has received (and certainly earned) criticism for its lack of female inductees. Twenty-two men have been inducted into the Rock Hall twice. That list includes all four members of the Beatles, Neil Young, Eric Clapton (He's in their three times), Lou Reed and Rod Stewart. Nicks is the first woman to even get the chance, having been inducted already with Fleetwood Mac in 1998. Cases have been made over the years for artists like Tina Turner, Diana Ross and Janis Joplin (with Big Brother and the Holding Company). But nothing has come of it. Nicks' nomination shouldn't come as a surprise to fans. She has been in the lead of the museum's new "Voice Your Choice" in-person fan vote since it launched in April. The Rock Hall induction process has been full of such "coincidences" for years now. Consider that every winner of the annual Fan Vote (which only gets you on a fan ballot that's added to the voting pool) has wound up earning induction that same year. However, Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Foundation president Joel Peresman insists the fan votes and the nomination process aren't directly related. "The new in-museum voting system does not factor into the nomination process as the members of the nominating committee aren't made aware of that," says Peresman. "And we rely on their independent thinking, which in this case happened to match up." Whether you believe Peresman or not, Nicks' nomination remains historic. And fans can still have their say with the annual Fan Vote online. The museum will also use its "Voice Your Choice" system, which Nicks already dominated, to add to the Fan Vote. The Rock Hall's Class of 2019 is expected to be announced in December. The honorees will be inducted next April during a ceremony held in New York City. www.cleveland.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2018/10/why_stevie_nicks_rock_roll_hal.html
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Post by Caviar on Oct 9, 2018 17:45:30 GMT -5
Omg..had no idea Tina Turner hasn't been inducted! omg WHY!
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Post by Verisimilitude on Oct 9, 2018 18:01:01 GMT -5
Omg..had no idea Tina Turner hasn't been inducted! omg WHY! She is, just not solo. (She's inducted with Ike only sadly)
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Post by jenglisbe on Oct 9, 2018 18:42:05 GMT -5
Omg..had no idea Tina Turner hasn't been inducted! omg WHY! Women in general have had a tough time getting in, but I guess in terms of her solo work she mostly just has Private Dancer.
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Post by Dammn Baby on Oct 10, 2018 17:11:15 GMT -5
Omg..had no idea Tina Turner hasn't been inducted! omg WHY! Women in general have had a tough time getting in, but I guess in terms of her solo work she mostly just has Private Dancer. She has a great body of work, but even if it was just Private Dancer, that's one of the most iconic comebacks in rock history. If Janis Joplin is in for Pearl (essentially), then Tina should be a no-brainer.
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Post by jenglisbe on Oct 10, 2018 17:31:47 GMT -5
Women in general have had a tough time getting in, but I guess in terms of her solo work she mostly just has Private Dancer. She has a great body of work, but even if it was just Private Dancer, that's one of the most iconic comebacks in rock history. If Janis Joplin is in for Pearl (essentially), then Tina should be a no-brainer. I do agree it's odd. Even more than Janis being in for essentially one album (though maybe they consider her with with Big Brother & Holding Company even if they shouldn't), The Ronettes are basically in for 1 song.
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Post by WolfSpear on Oct 11, 2018 4:50:12 GMT -5
I know this going to sound... antagonistic. Stevie Nicks is a great singer and songwriter, but does her solo works merit this? Or is it that and "Silver Springs", "Landslide", "Rhiannon" etc... that helps her case?
Def Leppard is not an easy case either.
Then again, one of what, 5 bands? in recording history have two 10 million sellers? That in itself is a rare feat... along with a handful of hits.
The buck stops short when we talk about long term impact (Bon Jovi influences people though?) and everything post-1992 loses touch with casual listeners.
Roxy Music and The Cure Roxy Music should have been in long ago... bad voting panel by far. The Cure isn't an instant nod, but they did play a vital role in establishing post-punk.
Then again, where's Joy Division and New Order...
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Post by jenglisbe on Oct 11, 2018 9:48:52 GMT -5
I know this going to sound... antagonistic. Stevie Nicks is a great singer and songwriter, but does her solo works merit this? Or is it that and "Silver Springs", "Landslide", "Rhiannon" etc... that helps her case? Def Leppard is not an easy case either. Then again, one of what, 5 bands? in recording history have two 10 million sellers? That in itself is a rare feat... along with a handful of hits. The buck stops short when we talk about long term impact (Bon Jovi influences people though?) and everything post-1992 loses touch with casual listeners. Roxy Music and The Cure Roxy Music should have been in long ago... bad voting panel by far. The Cure isn't an instant nod, but they did play a vital role in establishing post-punk. Then again, where's Joy Division and New Order... I agree with you re: Nicks’ solo work, and in theory the songs she wrote for Fleetwood Mac do not count since FM is already in the HoF in part for those songs. That doesn’t mean voters won’t think about them anyway. Mariah Carey’s solo work is a lot more influential than Nicks’ solo work, yet no nomination. I can’t understand the criteria at this point, really. I would have never put Bon Jovi in, but if they’re in, then Def Leppard should be.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Oct 11, 2018 11:41:54 GMT -5
Stevie Nicks also has those duets with HOF inductees Tom Petty and Don Henley, which could be a boost. I've always thought her solo work wasn't as strong on the whole vs. Fleetwood Mac, but it could be a myriad of things involved with her that voters consider.
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Post by Unhinged on Oct 11, 2018 12:27:05 GMT -5
Hoping Janet Jackson and Def Leppard can make the cut this year.
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Post by jenglisbe on Oct 11, 2018 12:56:28 GMT -5
Stevie Nicks also has those duets with HOF inductees Tom Petty and Don Henley, which could be a boost. I've always thought her solo work wasn't as strong on the whole vs. Fleetwood Mac, but it could be a myriad of things involved with her that voters consider. Those duets were from her solo work, though; they were her first two solo singles. In terms of Nicks’ solo work, I think in general people could name at most 5 of her solo songs. None of them were particularly influential, though “Edge of Seventeen” could be said to have some impact since it was sampled by Destiny’s Child. I just think if we consider her solo career to be HoF-worthy, then in terms of consistency there are a lot of people who should be eligible.
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Post by Gary on Oct 11, 2018 16:00:36 GMT -5
Eagles’ guitarist Joe Walsh slams Rock & Roll Hall of Fame: ‘There’s a lot of politics’ By Stephanie Nolasco | Fox News
Eagles' guitarist Joe Walsh had some stern words for the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame.
The 70-year-old rocker, who spoke about the organization with TMZ Thursday, held his nose in disgust when asked about its methods for selecting artists to be inducted.
“There’s a lot of politics in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame,” explained Walsh. “The corporate sponsors get to pick [the nominees], and then the people get to vote. There’s a lot of people, I don’t know why they’re in there and there’s a lot of people, I don’t know why they’re not.”
While Walsh declined to name a specific artist who was deserving of a nomination, he did point out one childhood hero had yet to be acknowledged.
“There was a guy that didn’t make it last year called Link Wray,” he shared. “He had a song called ‘Rumble’ in the ‘50s, and all us guitar players wanted to be Link Wray. And he didn’t get in because nobody knows about him.”
Back in December, Ultimate Classic Rock reported Black Keys frontman Dan Auerbach campaigned for Wray to be inducted with last year’s Hall of Fame class.
“He was the first to ever have aggression in guitar music,” said Auerbach, 39. “Nobody had ever been menacing before, they were all frilly and melodic and he was just menacing… it was a whole new thing. There would be none of us without Link Wray. When any great form of art starts, there has to be some visionaries, and he and his family were visionaries.”
Rolling Stone magazine reported Wray, who is often credited as the father of the power chord, died in 2005 at age 76 of natural causes.
Walsh hasn’t been the only one to criticize the Hall of Fame. In February, Def Leppard singer Joe Elliott told Fox News the band didn’t need to become a member to maintain its success.
“My opinion on the whole thing about the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame will soften somewhat when it becomes a fan-driven choice, as opposed to a committee who decides whether you’re cool enough to be a part of their cliquey club,” he explained. “It’s not going to make our careers any bigger or any better to be in there.
“It may be an honor, but it’s only an honor if it’s fan-driven. To be chosen by someone who I don’t even know who they are just to become a member of a club like that? It doesn’t really have any meaning to me. So until they change the rules or make it more fan-based, it’s not going to make or break anything we do. That’s how I feel about the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame. Too many great bands have not been put in or it took 10,12 nominations just to be accepted.” Joe Elliott spills Def Leppard secretsVideo
Stevie Nicks, who’s already in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame as a member of Fleetwood Mac, has been nominated for inclusion as a solo artist next year, along with other first-time nominees Def Leppard, Todd Rundgren, Devo John Prine and Roxy Music.
Nine other artists are returning to the ballot for another try, including Janet Jackson, Radiohead and The Cure.
Generally about five to seven nominees each year are voted into the Hall, located in Cleveland, Ohio. Past inductees and industry experts vote on who gets in, and fans have a ballot, too. Winners are announced in December, with the 34th annual ceremony scheduled for March 20, 2019 at Brooklyn’s Barclays Center.
HBO will broadcast the induction at a later date and SiriusXM will have a live simulcast.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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Post by jenglisbe on Oct 11, 2018 16:21:05 GMT -5
Fully fan voted? No. Then you’d really never seen a Link Wray get in.
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Post by Nick on Oct 11, 2018 17:24:57 GMT -5
Stevie Nicks is currently in the lead as far as fan voting, I see her being the main female to get in. Janet and Chaka have been passed over before and most likely will be passed over again. This has been mainly a boys club as you all know.
In all fairness whether you know Stevie's solo work or not, she has influenced more female singers than you think. She is also the only member of FM who could/can have successful solo tours. She has certainly earned a spot in the RRHOF.
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Post by RainMan94 on Nov 5, 2018 0:46:21 GMT -5
Just a few observations I've thought of recently:
-I would love to see Rufus/Chaka Khan finally inducted after so many nominations. If Gladys Knight & the Pips and the O'Jays can get in with essentially the same chart success, why can't they? Still wondering the same thing about why the Spinners haven't been inducted yet either.
-One band I'm surprised hasn't been nominated yet is Foreigner. If Cheap Trick, Journey, and The Cars can get inducted, why can't they even get nominated? They might not have the same name recognition as the others but they have several songs I'd consider classics and with the recent trend of classic rock bands being inducted recently, I figure they would at least be considered. Maybe soon.
-I honestly think Radiohead didn't get inducted last year because of the remark they made shortly before the announcement was made of who would be inducted. I'm not a huge fan of theirs, but I feel it's common sense they're one of the most influential bands of the past 25 years.
-I've heard someone on the board of voters has a problem with The Monkees being inducted in. I believe it has something to do with that they weren't a "real" rock'n'roll band since they had success due to their TV series. Does it really matter though? I feel like "Last Train to Clarksville," "I'm a Believer," "Pleasant Valley Sunday," and "Daydream Believer" are 1960s classics and are part of general pop culture at this point. It just seems like a huge void to me that they've yet to be inducted, let alone nominated.
Does anyone else have similar observations or thoughts on what I've noticed? I'd like to know the thought process behind nominations/inductions.
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Post by tanooki on Nov 5, 2018 1:45:52 GMT -5
The Monkees have never even be nominated? That's some bs right there
I don't believe the Big Bopper has been nominated either so..
missin some rock n roll legends there ya dumb dumbs
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Post by jenglisbe on Nov 5, 2018 9:01:30 GMT -5
Stevie Nicks is currently in the lead as far as fan voting, I see her being the main female to get in. Janet and Chaka have been passed over before and most likely will be passed over again. This has been mainly a boys club as you all know. In all fairness whether you know Stevie's solo work or not, she has influenced more female singers than you think. She is also the only member of FM who could/can have successful solo tours. She has certainly earned a spot in the RRHOF. I agree she’s influenced many females, but how much of that is due to her work with Fleetwood Mac as opposed to her solo work? As in, songs like “Gold Dust Woman” and “Landfslide” are what get covered, and those are FM songs. She’s already in the HoF for that work.
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Post by Gary on Nov 5, 2018 13:24:00 GMT -5
Each year, the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Foundation's nominating committee selects the group of artists nominated in the performer category.
Ballots are then sent to more than 1,000 historians, members of the music industry and artists—including every living Rock Hall inductee—and the five performers receiving the most votes become that year's induction class. Beginning in 2012, fans were given the chance to vote for the nominees they'd like to see inducted into the Rock Hall. The top five vote-getters in the public poll form one ballot, which is weighted the same as the rest of the submitted ballots.
Eligibility
Artists—a group encompassing performers, composers and/or musicians—become eligible for induction 25 years after the release of their first commercial recording. Besides demonstrating unquestionable musical excellence and talent, inductees will have had a significant impact on the development, evolution and preservation of rock & roll.
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Performers This category honors bands or solo artists which demonstrate musical excellence. Such a descriptor includes (but isn't limited to) influence on other performers or genres; length and depth of career and catalog; stylistic innovations; or superior technique and skills.
Ahmet Ertegun Award This award (which was formerly known as the non-performer category) honors songwriters, producers, disc jockeys, record executives, journalists and other industry professionals who have had a major influence on rock & roll.
Early Influences These artists pre-date the birth of rock & roll, but have had a profound impact on music's evolution and its iconic artists.
Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Award for Musical Excellence This award honors performers, songwriters and producers who have changed the course of music history. These artists have dedicated their lives to creating influential, important music infused with originality, and have achieved a level of timeless distinction.
The Singles New in 2018, this category of recognition focuses on the songs which have established a permanence in our history and influenced rock and roll. These songs have had an immense cultural impact and merit a place in history.
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Post by Glove Slap on Nov 5, 2018 14:44:02 GMT -5
Kraftwerk being so low in the poll is disgraceful.
I love Stevie, but her FM contributions and solo highlights often blur for some. As a solo act, there's definitely others in that group that merit induction prior.
But no female artist is getting slammed harder for not being in serious contention than Kate Bush.
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Post by Nick on Nov 5, 2018 18:37:05 GMT -5
Stevie Nicks is currently in the lead as far as fan voting, I see her being the main female to get in. Janet and Chaka have been passed over before and most likely will be passed over again. This has been mainly a boys club as you all know. In all fairness whether you know Stevie's solo work or not, she has influenced more female singers than you think. She is also the only member of FM who could/can have successful solo tours. She has certainly earned a spot in the RRHOF. I agree she’s influenced many females, but how much of that is due to her work with Fleetwood Mac as opposed to her solo work? As in, songs like “Gold Dust Woman” and “Landfslide” are what get covered, and those are FM songs. She’s already in the HoF for that work. Let's not forget Stevie has written all her Fleetwood Mac songs she's sung lead on, with the exception of "Seven Wonders". Also "Dreams" was their only #1 Hot 100 single. As for her solo career, "Stand Back" and "Edge Of Seventeen" remain iconic. It would also be cool to finally see a woman get inducted more than once. Eric Clapton and all four members of the Beatles are multiple inductees.
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