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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2013 19:18:14 GMT -5
Heart and Donna Summer got in last year
'Rock N Roll' from the era being looked at was not dominated by females anyway.
I do agree that Go-Go's and the Runaways are deserving
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Post by Ballroom Blitzed on Oct 16, 2013 19:38:05 GMT -5
I think Deep Purple deserves to be in. Led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath are in already, but Deep Purple was at least as important an as influential as either of those groups.
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Post by Glove Slap on Oct 16, 2013 19:58:09 GMT -5
Chic has a couple of female members, but, yes, Linda R. would be representing the females. The LA Times also picked up on the lack of estrogen on the ballot.... linkFor example: Why is Ronstadt the only woman on the list? Where are, for example, the Go-Gos or the Runaways? What about Janet Jackson? Or is she less "rock 'n' roll" than Cat Stevens?My sentiments exactly! I don't see Janet having a realistic shot for a long long time. Go-Go's & The Runaways will probably get in at some point, but they will likely take up the leftover slot like Heart did. Just sounds like some people are pressed and looking for things that aren't there. This period is more male dominated, as is music in general.
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Post by Verisimilitude on Oct 17, 2013 11:28:12 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2013 13:12:43 GMT -5
That is a 'fan ballot' and counts as a single vote in the selection process:
5 will make it to the fan ballot
Peter Gabriel Yes Deep Purple Nirvana Kiss
based on results so far
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Oct 17, 2013 13:25:33 GMT -5
Pat Benatar & Duran Duran should be in by now. As for this list, I'm hoping Hall & Oates and Linda Ronstadt get in. ^I agree about Pat Benatar. Not sure about Duran Duran..
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Post by Nick on Oct 17, 2013 17:12:00 GMT -5
^DD were one of the first bands who got popular on MTV in the early days. They also influenced future bands like The Killers and Korn among others. They had 15 Top 40 Billboard hits. Not to mention they write their own songs and play their own instruments. They are still active today more than 30 years later, so hell yeah they should be in.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2013 17:34:46 GMT -5
# of top 40 hits isn't really a criteria. If it were then some of the leading contenders now would have no chance
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Post by Nick on Oct 17, 2013 18:53:26 GMT -5
^True, but being influential and still recording/touring has got to mean something. The radio hits days may be long gone, but it happens to the best of them. Ask Madonna fans. ;)
It also bothers me when groups like Guns 'N Roses and Nirvana get in instantly. I like them, but look how long artists like Rush and Heart had to wait to get in. Poor Donna Summer had to die to get inducted.
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Post by jenglisbe on Oct 17, 2013 20:46:06 GMT -5
While hits aren't a direct factor, they are surely a factor. I mean, few bands are truly influential without also being successful on some level.
And I agree that it's crazy Nirvana and GNR got nominated so quickly, especially the latter, when acts that have had as much or more impact struggle.
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Post by Verisimilitude on Oct 17, 2013 20:59:12 GMT -5
While hits aren't a direct factor, they are surely a factor. I mean, few bands are truly influential without also being successful on some level. And I agree that it's crazy Nirvana and GNR got nominated so quickly, especially the latter, when acts that have had as much or more impact struggle. Yep, it's blatant nepotism with the panel, I think.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Oct 17, 2013 21:03:35 GMT -5
I think some level of mainstream success comes into plus, buy it's not a major factor. On the flip side, what about huge critical success and the like, with little mainstream success? We've seen acts fit that mold and not get inducted (or even nominated). We'll see what happens with acts like Bjork and PJ Harvey when they're eligible. if they're considered right away, there goes that theory.
Nick- Madge's fate/legacy was sealed long before the radio hits were "long gone"- she is one of those no-brainer ones. Duran Duran, who I enjoy and like, is not in that same league. Though I'm sure you're aware of that. ;)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2013 21:16:10 GMT -5
I still maintain that genre is factor. Rock N Roll artists will get nominated for the Rock N Roll Hall of Fame faster than non-rock artists. The Billboard Hot 100 (a pure pop chart during this period) and the # of hits won't get recognized as quickly.
Hall & Oates, the most commercially successful duo of the last 60 years is only now getting nominated. If they were a rock band, they would already be in.
GNR and Nirvana are no-brainers. Well GNR was, Nirvana will be.
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Post by MikeCheck12 on Oct 18, 2013 9:16:41 GMT -5
Bjork is already eligible.
I think PJ Harvey will definitely get a nomination.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Oct 18, 2013 11:03:36 GMT -5
^Ah, yes- the 2002 date is going back to that album she made when she was 12. It then was 13 years after that sh released a second album (a collaborative one), and then Debut in 1993. I wonder if the committee has overlooked that initial recording. That's quite a gap between solo albums, 1977-1993.
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Post by MikeCheck12 on Oct 18, 2013 11:45:54 GMT -5
That's entirely possible. The Committee is quite an unpredictable bunch, though.
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Post by jenglisbe on Oct 18, 2013 21:33:14 GMT -5
I just wish I understood why hip-hop artists and older R&B artists are considered worthy, but Janet Jackson, Whitney Houston, and Barbra Steisand are not.
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Post by Verisimilitude on Oct 18, 2013 21:34:32 GMT -5
I just wish I understood why hip-hop artists and older R&B artists are considered worthy, but Janet Jackson, Whitney Houston, and Barbra Steisand are not. They have more credibility among straight men.
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Post by swim on Oct 18, 2013 23:09:36 GMT -5
Anybody upset about Nirvana getting in on their first year probably doesn't listen to rock. No one since Nirvana has made a bigger impact on the genre as a whole. It's laughable to think otherwise.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2013 23:24:55 GMT -5
Regarding why more divas are not in the Rock Hall, gonna have to go with the genre thing again. Non-rock acts will have a tougher time and will be slower in gaining acceptance.
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Post by Glove Slap on Oct 19, 2013 0:45:06 GMT -5
Regarding why more divas are not in the Rock Hall, gonna have to go with the genre thing again. Non-rock acts will have a tougher time and will be slower in gaining acceptance. Yeah, most female pop acts tend to lose their luster and their reverence in the industry goes down after they stop being contemporary. Madonna is a major exception to that. Janet is more in line with what I'm talking about, her status is understated for the time being. I think Whitney will eventually get in, maybe not for some time though. You seem to have to have respect and reverence in the present day to get in. Look at ABBA, they were once cast off as 70s relics and that was that, but their legacy is very highly respected today. I don't really see why Streisand would be considered. Even with the broad descriptions of Rock, her career has never really been in that field aside from some exceptions. Her main focus was a more broadway setting.
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Post by Nick on Oct 19, 2013 7:14:19 GMT -5
Anybody upset about Nirvana getting in on their first year probably doesn't listen to rock. No one since Nirvana has made a bigger impact on the genre as a whole. It's laughable to think otherwise. I love rock music. I just personally think they should be inducted 25 years after "Nevermind". Most music fans never knew who the f*ck they were before "Smells Like Teen Spirit". I definitely agree about their impact though.
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Post by Libra on Oct 19, 2013 18:48:56 GMT -5
I'm surprised that Cat Stevens isn't in already. Considering he's been persona non grata in this part of the world for quite a long time...you shouldn't be so surprised.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Oct 20, 2013 7:40:21 GMT -5
The Rock Hall (again) has addressed the whole "rock and roll" thing: rockhall.com/blog/post/10154_the-roots-and-definition-of-rock-and-roll/The Roots and Definition of Rock and RollFriday, October 18 Posted by Rock Hall How do you define rock and roll? Each year, with the announcement of the next class of nominees for induction into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, a debate swirls as to what music is considered "rock and roll." The announcement of the 2014 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominees – the Paul Butterfield Blues Band, Chic, Deep Purple, Peter Gabriel, Hall and Oates, Kiss, LL Cool J, the Meters, Nirvana, N.W.A., the Replacements, Linda Ronstadt, Cat Stevens, Link Wray, Yes and the Zombies – brought with it passionate discussions as to not only who should be inducted, but also how the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Museum and people all over the world interpret and define rock and roll. Visitors to the Museum in Cleveland will find a large type-and-graphics treatment featured in the Main Exhibit Hall, just before the Roots of Rock exhibit. It marks the unofficial start to a tour of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Museum, and explains the roots of rock and roll, and how the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame recognizes rock and roll today. It reads as follows: Rock and roll is a form of popular music that emerged in the United States in the late Forties and early Fifties. But rock and roll's roots can be tracked back centuries to drum beats in Africa and Celtic folk music in Europe. As people from these regions immigrated to America, they brought their music with them, and as they were exposed to each other's music, they began to incorporate different styles. The more immediate roots of rock and roll lay in the so-called "race" music, or rhythm & blues, and "hillbilly" music, or county & western of the Forties and Fifties. Other significant influences include blues, jazz, gospel, boogie-woogie, folk and bluegrass. The actual phrase "rock and roll" emerged as code words for sexual intercourse in blues songs. In 1922, the words rock and roll appeared on a record for the first time. That record, Trixie Smith's "My Daddy Rock Me (With One Steady Roll)," went on to inspire other blues songs. In the Thirties, the words were also used to described rhythms and musical beats, as in Duke Ellington's "Rockin' in Rhythm." In 1947, blues shouter Wynonie Harris covered "Good Rockin' Tonight," which went to Number One. Cleveland deejay and Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Inductee Alan Freed is widely credited with first using the words to describe the rhythm and blues music he was playing on the radio. Over the past five decades-plus, rock and roll has evolved in many directions. Numerous styles of music – from soul to hip-hop, from heavy metal to punk, from progressive rock to electronic – have fallen under the rock and roll umbrella. The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame recognizes these different types of music and looks forward to seeing how rock and roll will continue to reinvent itself in the future.
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Post by MikeCheck12 on Oct 20, 2013 10:05:31 GMT -5
It's like a broken record. "Rock & Roll" encompasses all musical genres. Period.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Oct 20, 2013 10:53:26 GMT -5
^I know- and apparently I know a lot about broken records. I don't know why some continue to think it's just about rock music.
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Post by imbondz on Oct 20, 2013 11:22:16 GMT -5
If Barbara Streisand gets in it will completely discredit the Rock n Roll HOF. Not sure how some acts got in already.
Whitney Houston doesn't deserve to get in IMO. She was great and her music was great but pure pop. Don't really agree with Madonna getting in either tho. But that's just my opinion.
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Post by Glove Slap on Oct 20, 2013 11:26:49 GMT -5
To say that Madonna hasn't impacted popular music though is ludicrous. Same with Whitney Houston too on a lesser scale.
My comment about Streisand was that she hasn't really influenced popular music nor really concentrated in that field much. Her passion and impact has always lied more in broadway and film settings.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2013 13:22:14 GMT -5
^I know- and apparently I know a lot about broken records. I don't know why some continue to think it's just about rock music. Barbra Streisand, Whitney Houston, Celine Dion, Janet Jackson and other Pulse favorites are not in but Nirvana and GNR will get in immediately? Why do you think that is then? I am sure all here would say that the Pulse Faves had more of an impact on popular music (number one hits, top 40 hits, etc.) than GNR but what about rock? Recognition may still happen but I think their genre is holding them up.
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Post by MikeCheck12 on Oct 20, 2013 13:27:06 GMT -5
Celine isn't eligible until 2015. I hear what you're saying, though....
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