jenglisbe
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Post by jenglisbe on Oct 22, 2012 21:39:03 GMT -5
1) WAN is Country because the label said it should be. 2) Billboard didn't think there would be that much backlash from classifying it as country, and is now too late for them to backpedal (the damage is done) Pick one or both. I pick the latter. The label didn't say that; not only has her label head talked about "WAN" being a pop track, but they submitted the song to the pop category at the Grammys. I definitely think it being too late to change their classification of the song is a factor.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2012 21:42:55 GMT -5
Billboard created the problem for itself. They introduced subjectively classifying songs as certain genres into the chart formulas.
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Post by SuperTrouper on Oct 22, 2012 22:37:45 GMT -5
"Not promoted to country radio" is the lamest excuse ever, theoretically I can promote any record to country radio. It's up to them whether they play it or not.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2012 0:45:07 GMT -5
There have also been plenty of records over the years that were not actively promoted to a particular radio format and managed to become a hit there anyway.
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Ballroom Blitzed
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Post by Ballroom Blitzed on Oct 23, 2012 6:29:34 GMT -5
As far as Taylor Swift is concerned, it seems to me that that's largely a case of having the wrong single out at the wrong time. It strikes me as unlikely that she would be subject to this much opprobrium if it had been an actual country song (and I'm afraid that no matter what Billboard says, it's impossible to classify "We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together" is a "pop-leaning country song" by any measure) that had benefitted from these changes.
Putting a Taylor Swift song that simply doesn't qualify as country music at the top of the country chart when they could have just as easily put "Begin Again" or "Red" in the top position comes across as a publicity grab on the part of Billboard to me, and judging from some of the responses, it seems to have worked famously.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Oct 23, 2012 6:45:18 GMT -5
Billboard created the problem for itself. They introduced subjectively classifying songs as certain genres into the chart formulas. They've been doing it since forever. This is nothing new. Macarena had enough airplay to chart on the R&B chart but Billboard wouldnt allow it. I have no problem with Billboard choosing the genre of a song. Just because radio doesnt play a song doesnt mean its not R&B.
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Post by allow that on Oct 23, 2012 11:59:12 GMT -5
Macarena had enough airplay to chart on the R&B chart but Billboard wouldnt allow it. I have no problem with Billboard choosing the genre of a song. Just because radio doesnt play a song doesnt mean its not R&B. I actually remember that It charted on Hot R&B Airplay but not the main chart.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2012 12:51:59 GMT -5
Macarena had enough airplay to chart on the R&B chart but Billboard wouldnt allow it. I have no problem with Billboard choosing the genre of a song. Just because radio doesnt play a song doesnt mean its not R&B. I actually remember that It charted on Hot R&B Airplay but not the main chart. Do we know where it peaked on R&B Single Sales?
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Post by Jay D83 on Oct 23, 2012 19:12:59 GMT -5
I actually remember that It charted on Hot R&B Airplay but not the main chart. Do we know where it peaked on R&B Single Sales? Right because if it did not appear on R&B single sales, back then, it wouldn't have charted anyway.
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Post by peterca on Oct 23, 2012 20:47:51 GMT -5
"Not promoted to country radio" is the lamest excuse ever, theoretically I can promote any record to country radio. It's up to them whether they play it or not. I agree. How about "Not submitted to and played on Country Radio"? I think "Red" and "Ronan" being on a country songs chart is absolutely ridiculous.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Oct 24, 2012 7:30:45 GMT -5
Do we know where it peaked on R&B Single Sales? Right because if it did not appear on R&B single sales, back then, it wouldn't have charted anyway. Billboard stated that it wouldnt allow it to chart and its reasoning at the time & even stating the projected position on the R&B chart if allowed to chart. #6
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stetz
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Post by stetz on Nov 1, 2012 20:13:41 GMT -5
Posted this on the alt/active/aaa board in regards to the evolution of rock charts, figured it was somewhat relevant here:
I still wish that the new rock chart didn't incorporate crossover airplay at the very least. The idea of the genre charts, to me, was to take a look at demographic taste. Not all "rock" listeners listen to "rock" music. Take a look at the top songs listed below my post for example. Granted A$AP Rocky and the like are a bit of a stretch, it's just one example showing that listening tastes aren't formatted per se. On the actual charts though; this week for example, Macklemore just charted on the Rock Airplay chart with "Thrift Shop." It'll never appear on the new Rock Songs chart solely based on a subjective decisioin. The new chart is just a stratified Hot 100 that adds nothing.
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