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Post by onebuffalo on Oct 17, 2012 12:06:16 GMT -5
This was just posted in the Taylor Swift thread in the General Artists section:
Over on the Digital Songs chart, Taylor Swift yet again crowns the list as "I Knew You Were Trouble" bows at No. 1 with 416,000 downloads sold. It marks Swift's second-largest sales week ever for a song: Only the arrival of "We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together" sold more (623,000 on the chart dated Sept. 1).
That means she will replace herself AT #1 on Hot Country Songs when that chart comes out tomorrow.
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Post by city5705boy on Oct 17, 2012 12:42:17 GMT -5
Joined: Aug 2011 Gender: Female Posts: 12 Re: New Billboard Chart Methodology « Reply #325 Today at 6:38am »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- " I also dont understand why album songs and songs that where not released as singles should be charting".
Unsolicitated album tracks (non singles), have been allowed to chart on the Country Chart since mid 1990. This is when they changed the name of the chart to "Hot Country Singles And Tracks". The first song that fit that was "Hollywood Squares" by George Strait (however it wasn't truly an album cut, as it was the B side of George's current hit at the time "Overnight Success".
When albums came out by major artists, almost every track would chart for a week or two (just not as high up), for example, Garth Brooks, Shania Twain, ans the Dixie Chicks. They all had a slew of songs chart when they put out a new album, especially Garth.
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Post by zaclord 🌈 on Oct 17, 2012 13:39:26 GMT -5
So basically, there is no hope of Billboard changing their minds and moving back to the airplay chart if they are going to lie through their teeth and pretend everyone is okay with this new chart. Wonderful.
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Post by countrygirl918 on Oct 17, 2012 13:40:44 GMT -5
Overwhelmingly warm reception to the new chart? What is Billboard smoking? ;)
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Oct 17, 2012 13:49:09 GMT -5
Billboard already made it perfectly clear (via Twitter I believe) that "I Knew You Were Trouble", along with certain other songs on her upcoming album, would not be eligible to chart on Hot Country Songs. I'll believe that when I see it, considering the pop mix of WANEGBT is the one giving the song its current Hot Country Songs chart position. May I direct you here: www.billboard.com/news#/news/psy-still-stuck-at-no-2-as-maroon-5-tops-1007982722.story(Due to its pure pop, even dubstep-leaning, sound, "Trouble" does not appear on the newly-revamped Country Songs chart, which, as of last week, now blends airplay, sales and streaming data; it's also not being promoted to country radio. "Never" spends a second week atop the tally).
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Post by joey2002 on Oct 17, 2012 14:41:53 GMT -5
^ lol... the normal version of "Never" isn't being promoted to country radio either – and "Red" isn't even a single. *sigh* So basically, there is no hope of Billboard changing their minds and moving back to the airplay chart if they are going to lie through their teeth and pretend everyone is okay with this new chart. Wonderful. There's always hope – don't give up yet! :)
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Post by dajross6 on Oct 17, 2012 17:19:18 GMT -5
Again, the charts aren't for the fans, they are for industry folks. Now, we absolutely love to follow the charts (which is fine), but I've always considered myself an outsider who was able to see really interesting data. It is 100% up to Billboard what they want to do...it just sucks that it ruins one of my favorite hobbies.
As an aside, I could definitely see who labels would love a chart like this. It caters to what will make them the most MONEY (single sales), something the airplay chart might do, but to a lesser extent.
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Post by jptexas on Oct 17, 2012 19:55:50 GMT -5
This was just posted in the Taylor Swift thread in the General Artists section: Over on the Digital Songs chart, Taylor Swift yet again crowns the list as "I Knew You Were Trouble" bows at No. 1 with 416,000 downloads sold. It marks Swift's second-largest sales week ever for a song: Only the arrival of "We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together" sold more (623,000 on the chart dated Sept. 1). That means she will replace herself AT #1 on Hot Country Songs when that chart comes out tomorrow. ********** **is not recognized by hardcore country fans
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Post by michellef on Oct 17, 2012 20:24:56 GMT -5
how can it be classified as country on one chart and not on another? wow.
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Post by dawhite76 on Oct 18, 2012 16:43:05 GMT -5
Per Billboard, the No. 1 Country song in America again this week is Taylor's "We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together" - a song with so little airplay at Country radio that it no longer ranks on the Country Airplay chart. Did you ever think there would be a time when the No. 1 Country song was getting only negligible airplay at the format?
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Post by Marv on Oct 18, 2012 16:51:34 GMT -5
^^^^^Having lost well over 11,000,000 AIs in less than two weeks. doesn't that tell you how ludicrous this BB chart is?
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Post by Arabella21 on Oct 18, 2012 17:04:04 GMT -5
But it's a country song! That needed a country mix to get played on country radio, but that does not mean that the original version is a pop song because...um...
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Post by onebuffalo on Oct 18, 2012 17:56:42 GMT -5
I was wrong. We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together is #1 for a second week. However, Blown Away moves up one to #2. Imagine that, a song hardly getting played is #1 while the most heard song is #2.
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Post by musictomyears on Oct 18, 2012 18:09:05 GMT -5
Ya imagine! Billboard may be very blinded by their own desire, however......truer words never have rung so true! "You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time. "
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Post by WolfSpear on Oct 18, 2012 18:13:28 GMT -5
The Country Airplay chart is now based on impressions (again), right?
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Post by straitfan87 on Oct 18, 2012 18:20:09 GMT -5
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Post by onebuffalo on Oct 18, 2012 18:20:14 GMT -5
The Country Airplay chart is now based on impressions (again), right? The week’s most popular country songs, ranked by radio airplay audience impressions as measured by Nielsen BDS, sales data as compiled by Nielsen SoundScan and streaming activity data from online music sources tracked by Nielsen BDS. Descending titles below No. 25 are moved to recurrent after 20 weeks. Country Airplay is based on audience impressions.
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Post by rsmatto on Oct 18, 2012 18:29:35 GMT -5
This was just posted in the Taylor Swift thread in the General Artists section: Over on the Digital Songs chart, Taylor Swift yet again crowns the list as "I Knew You Were Trouble" bows at No. 1 with 416,000 downloads sold. It marks Swift's second-largest sales week ever for a song: Only the arrival of "We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together" sold more (623,000 on the chart dated Sept. 1). That means she will replace herself AT #1 on Hot Country Songs when that chart comes out tomorrow. ********** **is not recognized by hardcore country fans She didn't replace them. it wasn't posted to SoundScan or Billboard Country Songs charts.
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Post by kml567 on Oct 18, 2012 21:52:10 GMT -5
Carrie would have been #1 on Billboard Hot Country songs chart if pop airplay did not count. Maybe the new Billboard chart wouldn't be so bad if they count genre-specific airplay only....
1. Carrie - Blown Away 136 points (58 sales + 39 *2 airplay) 2. Taylor - WANEGBT 126 points (124 sales + 1 * 2 airplay)
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Post by joey2002 on Oct 18, 2012 22:22:48 GMT -5
^ still bad.
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Post by dajross6 on Oct 19, 2012 8:19:33 GMT -5
I actually think sales counts double over airplay on the Hot 100, but I could be mistaken.
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Post by WolfSpear on Oct 19, 2012 15:27:48 GMT -5
I actually think sales counts double over airplay on the Hot 100, but I could be mistaken. Airplay counts a bit more than sales. From what it appears, they changed the weight because a number of songs suddenly started to debut at #1 again. As pointed out in another thread, the turnover rate would be ridiculously high if the old formula was still in use.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2012 0:47:31 GMT -5
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Post by carriekins on Oct 20, 2012 5:03:09 GMT -5
I mean, she was going to dominate anyway from the sales of the songs, so...
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Post by hank0629 on Oct 20, 2012 9:30:11 GMT -5
The only way I can do is refuse to buy her album and listen to her songs on the radio!!! (sigh)
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Post by michellef on Oct 22, 2012 16:39:00 GMT -5
i'm curious to see which of taylor's songs are gonna count as "country" when the chart comes out
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Post by Marv on Oct 22, 2012 17:56:00 GMT -5
The 'Lukewarm 100', as Zazie hilariously rechristined that chart several years ago, has been skewed by substantially overcompensating sales vs. airplay for well over 15 years, and that aberration has now infected their new chart, with equally hilarious and ludicrous results.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2012 19:44:07 GMT -5
i'm curious to see which of taylor's songs are gonna count as "country" when the chart comes out If itunes country chart is any indication it might be an all-Taylor top 10 on the next Country songs chart (as posted, some songs may be called 'pop' regardless of what itunes says so it may not be that way anyway - plus most of these songs won't have airplay or streaming)
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Post by peterca on Oct 22, 2012 20:35:33 GMT -5
i'm curious to see which of taylor's songs are gonna count as "country" when the chart comes out If itunes country chart is any indication it might be an all-Taylor top 10 on the next Country songs chart (as posted, some songs may be called 'pop' regardless of what itunes says so it may not be that way anyway - plus most of these songs won't have airplay or streaming) This will all depend how those brilliant Billboard people as to whether they will deem these songs as being in the Country genre. IMO, they have put themselves in a dilemma of determining the genre of each track on Taylor's "Red" album BEFORE it gets released to specific genre stations.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2012 20:41:27 GMT -5
yes some songs may be 'pop'. However, since the bulk of songs thatwill chart will be sales only, the airplay component of the chart formula will be zero.
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