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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Aug 19, 2013 8:43:59 GMT -5
Carrie will surely benefit from the large gap between "See You Again" and "All Over the Road." She is already benefiting from last week's top 2 (on Mediabase) falling and freeing up a lot of airplay. Since songs from Easton Corbin and FGL are fairly new to the top 10 and have a lot of growing left to do, they won't gain too much airplay from this situation and Carrie almost HAS to start getting much more heavy rotation. However, I am yet again disappointed to see a label not wanting to let a song settle for a natural peak position. This trend of 95% of songs that hit the top 15 going to #1 has got to stop. It really ruins chart watching for me honestly. I will soon take the Mediabase airplay chart about as seriously as I do the Billboard Hot Country Songs chart. I agree with respect to the value of the Mediabase airplay chart and the Billboard Hot Country Songs chart for historical purposes, and I also agree that the revolving door at #1 takes a lot of the fun out of chart-watching. But I'm going to dissent slightly on the issue of "See You Again"'s natural peak. In this new era in which Warner Nashville and Big Machine have begun to get involved in pushing songs for multiple weeks prior to their natural peak week, singles from labels not in the habit of getting involved prior to a natural peak week are disadvantaged. Arista Nashville is one of those labels that tends not to get involved prior to the natural peak week, and I believe "See You Again" was particularly impacted by a Brett Eldredge push that began back when "Don't Ya" jumped "See You Again" to make the top-10. One of the data points I use to ascertain a song's natural peak is the Billboard Country Indicator chart, the small market chart that doesn't absorb as much label manipulation as the primary chart (because the labels don't bother with the chart). On the Billboard Country Indicator chart, "Begin Again" peaked at #9 and "Southern Comfort Zone" peaked at #4, to give an idea for the extend to which its peaks may diverge from those on the main chart ("Give It All We Got Tonight" peaked at #3 on that chart, matching its Billboard main chart peak. ETA: apparently not -- see Ten Pound Hammer's post below). On that chart, "See You Again" is finishing out the second of two weeks at #1, having followed three-week topper "Runnin' Outta Moonlight" to the top and blocked "I Want Crazy." "Don't Ya" looks to be in a good position to succeed "See You Again" at #1 there, but "Little Bit of Everything" may leapfrog over him. I think that's a truer reflection of how a "natural" chart may have looked. So what we're left with in the case of this song (and in the cases of songs like "Tornado," "Two Black Cadillacs," "Mama's Broken Heart," and "Beat This Summer") is whether the labels should simply let themselves be outmaneuvered out of a #1 peak on either chart despite indications that they would have reached that peak on a natural chart. Any label involved with pushes contributes to the problem, but on the other hand, how likely is it that a label is going to be the first to take a stand and say that enough is enough?
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Aug 19, 2013 8:44:54 GMT -5
^ GIAWGT peaked at #2 on Airplay, not #3.
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Post by joey2002 on Aug 19, 2013 12:32:20 GMT -5
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Post by carrieidol1 on Aug 21, 2013 9:37:09 GMT -5
Just when it looked like Carrie was possibly in the clear for another #1, Keith Urban's team starts pushing "Little Bit of Everything"... We'll see, but it should be a close race on both Billboard and Mediabase...
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Post by Zazie on Aug 21, 2013 10:49:24 GMT -5
Carrie's almost certainly going to win out on MB -- she's already ahead and she's pulling away (though not very much). And I don't think KU's label has any reason to try to deny her her week on top.
But she's gained only about half a mill (in MB numbers, and that has to be translated down a little when converted to BB numbers because audience numbers on BB are so much lower than on MB) in two days vs. KU. She was 1.14 mill behind on the 8/31 BB chart, so she's on pace to pass him, but on the other hand the last couple of days her gains have shown decreases.
I have no reason to say this won't be close, but my own reading of the numbers has been, for a while now, that she would get the #1 on MB only. And I don't see anything persuasive yet that she will manage the BB #1 as well. Now if she outgains KU by 300k or more tomorrow, I will start to change my mind. And if she takes over #1 on the RTT tomorrow, I'll have to change my mind. But I think he wants the BB #1 next week, and outracing him would be difficult, so why should her label be motivated to do it? They'll already have the MB #1.
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Post by joey2002 on Aug 21, 2013 13:25:32 GMT -5
Just when it looked like Carrie was possibly in the clear for another #1, Keith Urban's team starts pushing "Little Bit of Everything"... We'll see, but it should be a close race on both Billboard and Mediabase... Carrie gained 800K today, while Keith gained 600K, and she's 150 spins ahead of him... Mediabase will be an easy #1 for her. Billboard will be a closer race... but either way her top 2 streak on BB will continue.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2013 19:13:10 GMT -5
#34 on the Hot 100 this week. 18th Top 40 entry on the chart. The only releases of hers to miss the Top 40 altogether were "Don't Forget to Remember Me" (#59), "Temporary Home" (#41), "Mama's Song" (#56), and "Two Black Cadillacs" (#41).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2013 21:45:48 GMT -5
I actually think this race is going to be pretty close. Keith actually had the higher points total on Mediabase yesterday (according to the daily Aircheck email), but Carrie remains ahead in overall points and thus in MB chart position as well. Just when it looked like Carrie was possibly in the clear for another #1, Keith Urban's team starts pushing "Little Bit of Everything"... We'll see, but it should be a close race on both Billboard and Mediabase... Capitol Nashville is no doubt seeking power conversions now for LBOE but I wouldn't say that they are pushing the song and trying to block Carrie. Keith was actually ahead of Carrie on the last 2 Billboard charts (from Monday the 12th and from two days ago Monday), and his lead there had grown to about 1.2 million on the current chart. Keith also passed Carrie on Mediabase back on August 14th, a full week ago. SYA had a bullet of -37 at this time last week, whereas Keith was at +355. And Carrie didn't re-pass Keith on Mediabase until the update on Monday the 19th, after the push for SYA began on Sunday. Keith has been cruising along his entire chart run. Carrie is the one who is getting the push right now--there's no other way to interpret a bullet going from -37 to +354 in one week's time, whereas Keith's current bullet of 336 is very similar to his bullet at this point last week. Carrie's team knows that this week is their only shot at #1. I'd say she's the favorite on Mediabase, and I'll give her about a 65-70% chance (as of now) to pull it off. Carrie has her work cut out for her on Billboard, however. She could try to out-pace Keith there as well, but since the push for SYA began on Sunday (as evidenced by her Monday morning MB gain of 587k), it likely means the push will end on Saturday...and that Sunday through Saturday timeframe lines up with the Mediabase week. Also, those MB #1's are much easier to get. Keith will definitely have the #1 on both charts at the end of next week but I think this is a case where Arista realized that now is their last chance. They recognized that they are up against a younger, bigger hit (Little Bit of Everything), and they realized that if they wanted that #1, they had to go for it now, even if it might only be another #1 MB/#2 BB situation for Carrie. The MB #1's have proven to be more than enough for the artists/labels, however. And that's been discussed in various places recently--I agree with 43dudleyvillas, in that the labels might be trying to send a message to Billboard. Also, you have to consider that Country Aircheck is a country genre-specific company and they are of course associated with Mediabase. Country Aircheck is heavily involved with the artists and labels and many industry-related things. They are part of the industry. And Billboard doesn't seem to care about genres, based off their introduction of the new Hot Country Songs chart. The countdown shows use the Mediabase chart too, because Billboard charges too much. And finally, it's been known for a few years now that a Mediabase-only #1 is much easier to achieve than a Billboard-only #1 or a #1 on both charts. The labels can manipulate the MB points system pretty easily and they've been doing it more and more in the past 9-12 months than ever before. So like Dudley said, I do believe that the increase in MB-only #1's might be the labels' way of sending a message to Billboard, rather than taking the #2 or #3 peak on both charts and simply moving on. We've seen the labels and artists and songwriters all boast about their MB #1's and celebrate them with parties (and it doesn't surprise me--they have every right to celebrate their successes). If Billboard even cares anymore, there's no way all of that (specifically the #1 parties for non-Billboard #1's) can escape their attention. But I suspect that even if Billboard notices, they don't really care. The chart nerds that work for BB are too obsessed with these new hybrid charts and the Hot 100 that they don't really care about how the hybrid charts compromise the identities of genres. I agree with Zazie that Billboard is self-marginalizing itself, whether they know it or not. I still prefer Billboard's way of ranking airplay (the Country Airplay chart) compared to Mediabase's silly points system, but I don't think Billboard is #1 in the eyes of the industry. I'm not saying the labels don't care about the BB #1's (because Randy Houser's team, and also Big Machine and Capitol bragged about multi-week #1's with "Runnin' Outta Moonlight", "Highway Don't Care", and "Crash My Party" respectively, and WMN boasted about Brett Eldredge's record audience on Billboard), but I think achieving the Mediabase #1 is first priority in most cases, and nowadays the Billboard #1 is considering to be more along the lines of "icing on the cake".
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Post by churchchoir on Aug 22, 2013 11:12:50 GMT -5
I understand the idea of trying to send a message to Billboard, but this recent trend of Mediabase-only #1s is really unnatural and the charts shouldn't work this way. Mediabase is too easily manipulated due to the points system. I'd say labels are already sending Billboard a message about their new chart by ignoring HCS chart positions, but nothing has changed about the airplay chart, so I'd prefer labels to simply disregard the mongrel chart while still taking the audience-based airplay chart seriously.
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Post by mylifeback on Aug 22, 2013 11:43:43 GMT -5
I don't know about this "sending a message to BB" argument. If SYA or any of the other MB #1-only songs could have also gotten a BB #1, they surely would have wanted that. This argument to me sounds like fans conveniently trying to justify the lack of a BB #1 as something the label didn't care about, anyway. I love SYA & I like Carrie, so I'm not picking on Carrie, just questioning this line of thinking, which sounds like excuse-making to me.
If throwing MB #1 parties is what is meant by "sending a message to BB", then I guess that could be part of it, but on the other hand, what else is the label supposed to do? This is about PR for your artist - of course they're going to toot the horn if they can. They wouldn't be doing a good job for their artist if they weren't; but I wouldn't put "sending a message" at the top of the list about why labels are celebrating a MB #1.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2013 15:18:20 GMT -5
But that's just it...in several of these cases, the Mediabase-only #1 could've easily gotten to #1 on Billboard as well, but instead the record label involved backed off on Sunday (the 1st day of a new MB week, but the last day in the BB week) and took only the Mediabase #1, when just one more day of audience gains would've netted them the #1 on both charts. In Carrie's case, I'd say she could beat Keith for the Billboard #1 if she wanted to, but it looks like Arista is going to be content with the Mediabase #1 and let Keith have Billboard a week earlier than he'll get Mediabase. Perhaps the clearest case happened just a few weeks ago with Kip Moore's "Hey Pretty Girl". That one was tracking at #1 on Billboard for much of the week. It entered the week at #4 and the top 3 songs were all dropping, yet once they got that #1 on Mediabase, they just quit pushing on Billboard and Randy Houser came from #5 and overtook Kip over the weekend, moving 5-1 on Billboard. I believe Randy wound up about 600k ahead of Kip, but that's a pretty small margin that wouldn't have been there if Kip's team had kept pushing on Sunday. But they saw already by Thursday or Friday of that week that Randy was too far behind to catch them on Mediabase, and so they backed off the accelerator and then posted a loss on Sunday already. I'm not saying it's a fact that the labels are sending a message to Billboard--it's just a theory, one that 43dudleyvillas initially brought up, I believe. I'm also considering other things, though--the countdown shows use Mediabase, and a LOT of the trade ads we've seen lately (published on Monday nights in either the BCU or CAW) highlight only the Mediabase position and make no mention of Billboard at all. Many of them still show both the BB and MB positions but some of them have taken to only highlighting the MB position. Country Aircheck Weekly always has a lot more ads in it than Billboard does, although I'd guess that Billboard charges too much money there as well (just as they do for their data for countdown show usage), resulting in fewer ads in the BCU than in CAW.
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Post by Zazie on Aug 22, 2013 22:28:13 GMT -5
It can happen very quickly that something important to a given industry becomes irrelevant. I too thought about the Kip Moore lack-of-interest in Billboard's #1 position when it was right there for the taking. And Carrie is likely to follow the same storyline.
There are two factors playing into this increasing BB irrelevancy. One is that they identified as their main country chart something that contains a lot that is irrelevant (and cannot be made relevant) to country radio. When you undercut the value of a trade publication this way, you lose your position of authority very fast. And two is the appeal of "everyone gets a turn at #1" style data, which to my way of thinking is unfortunate but is a nice throwback to the 1980's for labels. "You scratch my back, I'll scratch yours" doesn't fit my standard of integrity but I see its undeniable appeal. And because of their irrelevancy BB cannot muster a strong argument against the back-scratchers, though it is there to be made.
If I were Billboard I would cut my prices substantially, attract the return of a couple of countdown shows, and demonstrate my relevancy to country radio. They have a lot to prove. Fine, provide data that includes streaming and sales, that's badly needed; but don't throw away a main chart that was working for country radio and for BB itself since 1990. Get back to being the undisputed leader in reliable, meaningful data or go away.
Luckily for me, I'm not Billboard. I have enough problems keeping leaves out of my gutters and training my new puppy. Probably my solutions are naïve, but there's something seriously wrong in their approach to country music.
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Aug 23, 2013 9:18:28 GMT -5
I don't know about this "sending a message to BB" argument. If SYA or any of the other MB #1-only songs could have also gotten a BB #1, they surely would have wanted that. This argument to me sounds like fans conveniently trying to justify the lack of a BB #1 as something the label didn't care about, anyway. I love SYA & I like Carrie, so I'm not picking on Carrie, just questioning this line of thinking, which sounds like excuse-making to me. If throwing MB #1 parties is what is meant by "sending a message to BB", then I guess that could be part of it, but on the other hand, what else is the label supposed to do? This is about PR for your artist - of course they're going to toot the horn if they can. They wouldn't be doing a good job for their artist if they weren't; but I wouldn't put "sending a message" at the top of the list about why labels are celebrating a MB #1. Well, as I posted in the Hunter Hayes - "I Want Crazy" thread, the reason I think there is a message being sent to Billboard or, at least, to radio stations that may only report to Billboard as opposed to Mediabase, is that there has been a clear shift this year in the timeframe for final pushes. Until this year, we would see Monday to Sunday pushes, reflected in the Mediabase updates we see from Tuesday to Monday. That gave labels seven days to attain the desired Billboard peak (because the Billboard airplay chart covers the Monday to Sunday airplay period) and six days to attain the Mediabase peak (which covers the Sunday to Saturday airplay period). Sometimes, labels were only able to attain the Mediabase #1, but rarely did we ever see a song hit Billboard #1 without also hitting Mediabase #1. In short, the Monday to Sunday pushes were clearly aimed at both charts. This year, there has been a noticeable pattern of Sunday to Saturday pushes (reflected in Mediabase updates from Monday to Sunday). Why is this important? Because that shifts the pushes to Mediabase's chart week. Not only that, and equally important, the move essentially means that labels are giving up the Sunday that represents the final day of the Billboard tracking week in favor of the Sunday that represents the first day of the Mediabase tracking week. A Sunday to Saturday push virtually guarantees that the final day of the Billboard tracking week will be an airplay loss for the single in question. Now, why would they do that starting this year? jhomes87 is right that the countdown shows have all started using Mediabase, but that has been going on for a couple of years now at least. It's not like labels were missing out on Mediabase #1s before this year. I don't think labels suddenly decided it was too hard to get a Billboard airplay #1 and that it was simply more cost-effective to focus on Mediabase. I think that, as Zazie said, after Billboard made a Hot Country Songs chart that favors crossover airplay its primary chart while Country Airplay became a secondary chart, the labels chose to focus on the trade publication that remains committed to marking country-specific accomplishments. Want specific examples? jhomes87 and Zazie already mentioned what happened with "Hey Pretty Girl" -- that song was clearly in the driver's seat for Billboard #1 during its natural peak week, but the label simply took its foot off the gas once it was clear the Mediabase #1 was in the bag. Brad's "Beat This Summer" missed getting a Billboard #1 to match its Mediabase #1 by a meager 362K in audience. And yes, "Beat This Summer" had a negative spin and audience update on Mediabase on the last day of the Billboard tracking week. There is also Little Big Town's "Tornado," which missed out on the Billboard #1 (to a declining "One of These Nights") by a mere 411K in audience. "Tornado" also had a negative spin and audience update (according to Mediabase) on the last day of the Billboard tracking week. I'm going to say, again, that I'm actually not comfortable with the idea of labels trying to "send a message" to chartkeepers -- the folks at Billboard should do as their conscience and, ideally, common sense, dictate without kowtowing to industry interests. But in this case, I agree with Zazie that the ridiculousness of the current Hot Country Songs methodology and the fact that it imported the previous sixty-eight year history of the chart means that Billboard had a heavy hand in its own marginalization. It's just not a good situation all around, because I consider the Mediabase chart to be relatively useless from a historical standpoint. In any case, back to "See You Again." "Little Bit of Everything" continues to lead at Billboard this morning, and based on Mediabase points updates from earlier this week and this morning's update, seems to be inching up on "See You Again" over the past few days at Mediabase, too. Moreover, "See You Again"'s push really does look like the minimal kind that will include absolutely no attempt to get a Billboard #1 (I don't think a one-week attempt in this case would have been successful, anyway -- looking at Indicator, the multi-week "Don't Ya" push pretty much sealed "See You Again"'s fate weeks ago). So it looks to be a tight race at Mediabase too, though if I had to guess, I would guess that "See You Again" will get its #1 week. Keith's team seems to be rushing "Little Bit of Everything"'s peak so as to get a new single out to promote the album release.
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Post by mylifeback on Aug 23, 2013 18:09:06 GMT -5
Great explanation, thanks dudley. With the Mediabase & Billboard reporting weeks off a day, it really makes this pattern clear to see.
I wonder if the Billboard folks are consciously trending even more to being a Pop-focused service and don't care all that much at the moment about the country segment of their constituency. That would be a shame, because a company that large should be able to meet the needs of all its customers.
Anywho, the next couple of updates for MB should be interesting. I thought Carrie was clearly trending ahead until this morning's update, where it seems Keith isn't about to concede the week without a fight.
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Post by robrt30 on Aug 24, 2013 12:32:47 GMT -5
I certainly agree with Dudley and everyone else that Billboard's chart history for Country Songs has been shot to hell with the new methodology. I think that is the main reason why labels are "sending a message." If it's now meaningless, and I believe the overwhelming majority of Country Top Songs followers believe that it is meaningless, then the labels are probably taking a "why bother" approach.
If I'm looking at the Hot 100 history, I know the Hot 100 Airplay Charts and Hot 100 Sales Charts are also there. And that's cool, they can help paint the picture of why the song peaked where it did on the Hot 100. But in the end I really only care about where the song peaked on Hot 100. I don't really care about the airplay and sales charts
Applying that reasoning to today's country chart, someone who hasn't even been born yet, they'll be studying Carrie Underwood 30 or 40 years later from today, they're going to believe that See You Again was a #7 hit for her. They're not really going to care that it peaked at #2 on the airplay chart (or #1, or wherever it peaked on airplay). Given that, I can understand why labels have given up on Billboard.
It does suck that only Billboard had the extensive chart history. You can't say for country history use Billboard for pre-2012 songs and use Mediabase for post-2012 songs. Or maybe you can, who the hell knows. That seems like an extremely far fetched idea right now in the present day. But if Billboard's stubborness continues, perhaps a "merged" Chart History idea will gain growing acceptance in the years/decades to come. Which seems to be the direction the labels are gravitating towards right now anyway.
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Post by Marv on Aug 25, 2013 10:19:37 GMT -5
I won't go so far as to say that the labels have given up on Billboard, but as we all know, no chart is safe from Scott Borchetta; look no farther than the extremely 'hollow victory' he 'earned' earlier this year when 'Begin Again' stole a week at #1 @ MB from 'One Of Those Nights', which will undoubtedly and deservingly trounce Taylor's tune on the year-end charts, not that Borchetta could care less about that---he obviously wanted a #1 single for her, and he got it, ethics be damned.
With Carrie rising to #1 this week @ Mediabase after two weeks of modest gains and easily overcoming the tiny 20-point deficit from LBOE on last week's chart, there's little doubt that Keith will be #1 at BB tomorrow, and will be tops at both charts next week.
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Post by spoonabdul3 on Aug 25, 2013 10:57:06 GMT -5
Well i posted months ago that i thought this would peak around #5 or something bci think its one of her weakest singles (THE weakest imo) but is become another huge hit for her! So congrats to Carrie and her fans! Wonder if we will get another single? I like the "do u think about me " song
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Post by joey2002 on Aug 25, 2013 12:21:16 GMT -5
Congrats to Carrie on another MB #1 and continuing her Billboard top 2 streak.
I'd love to see her release "Do You Think About Me" next – it just feels like a perfect fall single.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2013 15:34:54 GMT -5
With Carrie rising to #1 this week @ Mediabase after two weeks of modest gains and easily overcoming the tiny 20-point deficit from LBOE on last week's chart, there's little doubt that Keith will be #1 at BB tomorrow, and will be tops at both charts next week. I actually wouldn't be surprised if the point deficit is that tiny again. Carrie can't be that far ahead--she got the MB #1, but Keith just gained 700k in today's update and Carrie couldn't even gain 20k. SYA just looks like a song that ran out of gas, whereas Keith's tune appears to have a couple gallons left in the tank at least. In terms of audience, Keith is 1.1 million ahead of Carrie on MB, but she has the edge in spins...129 more than Keith has. Keith will definitely get at least 2 weeks at #1 on Billboard, and he'll get the Mediabase #1 next weekend as well. As for Carrie, I do hope we see another single, otherwise there will be another long gap between albums, since she'll have The Sound Of Music coming up this fall/winter, and won't even be able to begin work on the next album until sometime in 2014. If that's the case, it could be next summer 'til a brand new single is ready to go. I don't think Carrie needs to do much at all to 'promote' a 5th single...1-2 television performances would be nice but I don't think it's necessary. Really, Arista just needs to release another track to radio, Carrie can perform it at the CMA's, and that's about it. If it's a good song and radio is on-board, the rest should take care of itself. My vote for the 5th (and likely final) single from the album would be "Wine After Whiskey", but "Do You Think About Me?" would suffice as well.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Aug 25, 2013 15:55:14 GMT -5
I'm really happy this at least made the Top 40 on the Hot 100, where TBC couldn't quite make it. That helps soften the disappoint of seeing this miss out on the BB #1, though it's nice that it did manage to get there on the Mediabase chart.
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Post by countrygirl918 on Aug 26, 2013 8:40:43 GMT -5
As for Carrie, I do hope we see another single, otherwise there will be another long gap between albums, since she'll have The Sound Of Music coming up this fall/winter, and won't even be able to begin work on the next album until sometime in 2014. If that's the case, it could be next summer 'til a brand new single is ready to go. I don't think Carrie needs to do much at all to 'promote' a 5th single...1-2 television performances would be nice but I don't think it's necessary. Really, Arista just needs to release another track to radio, Carrie can perform it at the CMA's, and that's about it. If it's a good song and radio is on-board, the rest should take care of itself. My vote for the 5th (and likely final) single from the album would be "Wine After Whiskey", but "Do You Think About Me?" would suffice as well. It will be at least a year before we get the lead single from Carrie's next album - possibly longer. I sure hope they're not planning on ending the 'Blown Away' era here and keeping new Carrie material off the radio for a year plus. If they release a fifth single, that should take us through the fall and winter, and still leave enough time for a few months of a radio break before the lead single from the fifth album. As for promoting it, like you said Carrie wouldn't have to do much to promote it. Undoubtedly she'll be making the TV rounds later this year to promote The Sound of Music anyway, so why not kill two birds with one stone and use those appearances to also promote the single with a TV performance? If they decide to end the era here, I think it would be a big mistake. Carrie has so much momentum going for her right now; I'd hate to see that come to a screeching halt with a 1+ year hiatus from radio.
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Post by renee75 on Aug 26, 2013 9:37:13 GMT -5
As for promoting it, like you said Carrie wouldn't have to do much to promote it. Undoubtedly she'll be making the TV rounds later this year to promote The Sound of Music anyway, so why not kill two birds with one stone and use those appearances to also promote the single with a TV performance? If they decide to end the era here, I think it would be a big mistake. Carrie has so much momentum going for her right now; I'd hate to see that come to a screeching halt with a 1+ year hiatus from radio. I'm no expert on these things, but I wonder how many TV hosts would go for her trying to kill two birds with one stone. Don't they pretty much like to keep TV appearances focused on one thing at a time? I don't know how well "Here's Carrie Underwood to promote two projects at once!" would go over. However, I could be wrong.
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Post by carriekins on Aug 26, 2013 9:40:48 GMT -5
As for promoting it, like you said Carrie wouldn't have to do much to promote it. Undoubtedly she'll be making the TV rounds later this year to promote The Sound of Music anyway, so why not kill two birds with one stone and use those appearances to also promote the single with a TV performance? If they decide to end the era here, I think it would be a big mistake. Carrie has so much momentum going for her right now; I'd hate to see that come to a screeching halt with a 1+ year hiatus from radio. I'm no expert on these things, but I wonder how many TV hosts would go for her trying to kill two birds with one stone. Don't they pretty much like to keep TV appearances focused on one thing at a time? I don't know how well "Here's Carrie Underwood to promote two projects at once!" would go over. However, I could be wrong. She could talk about Sound of Music in an interview and then sing the new song in one appearance, I would think.
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Post by jenglisbe on Aug 26, 2013 9:55:48 GMT -5
As for promoting it, like you said Carrie wouldn't have to do much to promote it. Undoubtedly she'll be making the TV rounds later this year to promote The Sound of Music anyway, so why not kill two birds with one stone and use those appearances to also promote the single with a TV performance? If they decide to end the era here, I think it would be a big mistake. Carrie has so much momentum going for her right now; I'd hate to see that come to a screeching halt with a 1+ year hiatus from radio. I'm no expert on these things, but I wonder how many TV hosts would go for her trying to kill two birds with one stone. Don't they pretty much like to keep TV appearances focused on one thing at a time? I don't know how well "Here's Carrie Underwood to promote two projects at once!" would go over. However, I could be wrong. People promote multiple things all of the time. I've seen celebs promote a movie and a charity, a TV show and a movie, a TV show and new music (Adam Levine), new music and a perfume (Mariah Carey), etc.
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Post by rsmatto on Aug 26, 2013 11:10:53 GMT -5
I'm no expert on these things, but I wonder how many TV hosts would go for her trying to kill two birds with one stone. Don't they pretty much like to keep TV appearances focused on one thing at a time? I don't know how well "Here's Carrie Underwood to promote two projects at once!" would go over. However, I could be wrong. She could talk about Sound of Music in an interview and then sing the new song in one appearance, I would think. That's certainly tougher to do on the shows. Honestly, it makes sense for the label to come with a Greatest HIts project with one or two new singles on it before focusing on a new record in fall 2014.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2013 11:37:00 GMT -5
NO to any Greatest Hits discussion. New single. She needs something to perform at the CMAs.
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Post by rsmatto on Aug 26, 2013 11:43:43 GMT -5
NO to any Greatest Hits discussion. New single. She needs something to perform at the CMAs. She can perform a new song from a Greatest Hits project that could be released in time for Christmas 2013. It makes TOO much sense to not do it. I know it's not the same market as it was a few years ago, but She'll sell AT LEAST 1m copies of a Greatest Hits with 2 new songs on it. Honestly, she doesn't need to do it but from a marketing standpoint it makes all the sense in the world. New music to sell at Christmas time, people will buy it and it does what I said above, buys time for her next album to be written/recorded. I don't know about this "sending a message to BB" argument. If SYA or any of the other MB #1-only songs could have also gotten a BB #1, they surely would have wanted that. This argument to me sounds like fans conveniently trying to justify the lack of a BB #1 as something the label didn't care about, anyway. I love SYA & I like Carrie, so I'm not picking on Carrie, just questioning this line of thinking, which sounds like excuse-making to me. If throwing MB #1 parties is what is meant by "sending a message to BB", then I guess that could be part of it, but on the other hand, what else is the label supposed to do? This is about PR for your artist - of course they're going to toot the horn if they can. They wouldn't be doing a good job for their artist if they weren't; but I wouldn't put "sending a message" at the top of the list about why labels are celebrating a MB #1. The labels and do NOT CARE which of the two main charts they get to #1 on. They really don't. BOTH are accepted by the industry. It's as simple as that. While Wikipedia or "chart watchers" on this board or others may consider "Billboard" to be the one and only, the gospel, it's never been that case with the Nashville music community. *Note: this is a general response, not just to mylifeback as quoted here. In fact it's more of extension of what's stated above.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2013 11:57:31 GMT -5
I just don't see any sense in a Greatest Hits album when she hasn't even been around for a decade. Honestly, I thought it was too early for Kelly Clarkson to release one, too. What would the album include -- every #1? That wouldn't make sense since those weren't all hits. Just because a song goes #1 on Country nowadays doesn't make it monumental enough to be on a GH album. From my personal view, she has maybe 10 "greatest hits". I wouldn't even bother to include "Inside Your Heaven", "Don't Forget to Remember Me", "Wasted", "I Told You So", "Temporary Home", "Mama's Song", and more recently, "Two Black Cadillacs" or "See You Again". An argument could be made for "So Small".
A new single makes the most sense. Milk the album for all that it has left, put it on sale during the holidays to capitalize on sales as much as they can, get her on a few talk shows to promote the CMAs, The Sound of Music, add in a guest performance of the single here and there, and call the BA era quits. She already said in interviews that she's going back into the prep mode for the 5th album in 2014 once TSOM ends.
Carrie can wait another album or three before a GH album is released.
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Post by rsmatto on Aug 26, 2013 12:14:37 GMT -5
I just don't see any sense in a Greatest Hits album when she hasn't even been around for a decade. Honestly, I thought it was too early for Kelly Clarkson to release one, too. What would the album include -- every #1? That wouldn't make sense since those weren't all hits. Just because a song goes #1 on Country nowadays doesn't make it monumental enough to be on a GH album. From my personal view, she has maybe 10 "greatest hits". I wouldn't even bother to include "Inside Your Heaven", "Don't Forget to Remember Me", "Wasted", "I Told You So", "Temporary Home", "Mama's Song", and more recently, "Two Black Cadillacs" or "See You Again". An argument could be made for "So Small". A new single makes the most sense. Milk the album for all that it has left, put it on sale during the holidays to capitalize on sales as much as they can, get her on a few talk shows to promote the CMAs, The Sound of Music, add in a guest performance of the single here and there, and call the BA era quits. She already said in interviews that she's going back into the prep mode for the 5th album in 2014 once TSOM ends. Carrie can wait another album or three before a GH album is released. Sorry, ANY song she's released as a single has been the definition of a hit. Just because you think some of them aren't hits, doesn't mean she couldn't right now release a two disc collection of her hits (She has 18 #1 or #2 country radio hits, including "Remind Me"). Again, Any song in the Top 10 is considered a hit by most record labels and artists and fans. Carrie's been around for 8 years and that's more than enough time for a Greatest Hits collection. Kelly Clarkson had been around for MORE than a Decade when she released hers. A Greatest Hits project really is just the Label cashing in on the success while also giving an artist a chance to 'breathe' between traditional album projects. It just makes too much sense to release such a project for this upcoming holiday season. Then Carrie can come out with something next year that will add to her legendary status amongst country radio.
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Aug 26, 2013 12:58:16 GMT -5
Sorry, ANY song she's released as a single has been the definition of a hit. Just because you think some of them aren't hits, doesn't mean she couldn't right now release a two disc collection of her hits (She has 18 #1 or #2 country radio hits, including "Remind Me"). Again, Any song in the Top 10 is considered a hit by most record labels and artists and fans. Carrie's been around for 8 years and that's more than enough time for a Greatest Hits collection. Kelly Clarkson had been around for MORE than a Decade when she released hers. A Greatest Hits project really is just the Label cashing in on the success while also giving an artist a chance to 'breathe' between traditional album projects. It just makes too much sense to release such a project for this upcoming holiday season. Then Carrie can come out with something next year that will add to her legendary status amongst country radio. I agree with you that from Arista Nashville's standpoint, this would make sense -- it would leverage Carrie's major visibility during the holiday season, give fans a couple of new tunes and provide a couple of additional singles to fill the gap until the lead single from her new album. It would even potentially suit the "look at how much she has done" narrative that I imagine would be part of any campaign for CMA Entertainer if Carrie were to somehow get nominated. Not only that, it would also serve the more frequent product releases model that labels seem to favor these days. My only reservation, which remains from when you speculated about this possibility early in this thread, is that I always figured that Arista Nashville would want to reserve the greatest hits album as a contract stretcher in between the penultimate album on Carrie's deal and the last album on her deal, and/or as a way of filling the time if Carrie took a break for whatever reason. I don't think Carrie is at that point of her current contract yet, though I could be wrong. I suppose there is still the Christmas album and/or a a gospel/hymns album when that time comes, though. In any event, I don't think we have any indication of Carrie writing or recording new music this summer, do we? Doesn't mean it hasn't happened, but beyond saying that she and her team are "always listening to stuff, and if someone comes in with a great song I know I love, we’ll put our fork in it and say ‘That’s mine,'" there isn't really any indication that finding/writing even a couple of new originals for a greatest hits set has been a part of her summer, is there? And I've gotten the impression that Carrie doesn't really overcut when she's recording albums (probably to prevent a situation where her label could release a compilation with those extra tracks tacked on against her will). So while your speculation makes sense, I'm wondering if there is really reason to think a greatest hits set may be in the works.
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