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Post by joey2002 on Dec 7, 2013 22:25:20 GMT -5
They played a snippet of "All Too Well" for Red when they announced the nominees for Best Country Album. Fitting, since it's the best song on the album. :)
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Post by countryman87 on Dec 8, 2013 11:24:06 GMT -5
I wouldn't be surprised at all if "Red" is sitting at #1 on MB 7 days from now. Given that she's #5 on MB this week and she's not that far behind EYB and the top 3 will all be falling this week, it might not need a insane push to get her to the top. I think the EYB tune will top BB next week.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Dec 8, 2013 14:34:06 GMT -5
I don't see them releasing another country single from the album, but that's just my opinion. I don't see why not. The album is still selling very well, it's continuing to get industry recognition (Grammys have given the record generous nominations), and she's only really had two hit country singles from it so far in "Begin Again" and "Red." There's still a lot of potential left in the era, and I believe there should be one more single at minimum until she's ready to transition into the next era in Q4 2014.
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Post by matty005 on Dec 8, 2013 18:51:27 GMT -5
I don't see why not. The album is still selling very well, it's continuing to get industry recognition (Grammys have given the record generous nominations), and she's only really had two hit country singles from it so far in "Begin Again" and "Red." There's still a lot of potential left in the era, and I believe there should be one more single at minimum until she's ready to transition into the next era in Q4 2014. I'm thinking she takes some time off and comes back with a new album. "Begin Again" was only a hit because the label pushed it up the charts. Who knows, though. I don't trust Scott Borchetta. That's not true. You can say it was only a #1 hit because of a push (but A LOT of songs these days have big pushes, though this one was REALLY pushed at the end) but it still would have been considered a hit without it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2013 22:17:18 GMT -5
"Begin Again" did receive a pretty substantial push, which likely indicates that radio was hesitant to move it up higher than the top 10 (it startled struggling inside the top 15), but it was still a big hit with or without that push. The label just got it higher up the charts than what its 'natural peak' probably would have been. However, in terms of listener feedback and digital sales, "Begin Again" did incredibly well. It was one of the top-rated songs on the Bullseye callout charts for weeks at a time. Taylor's songs tend to have a higher burn-rate, mostly because of her somewhat polarizing nature as an artist (there's a large segment of people who will never see her as a country artist), and that may be why Taylor's singles sometimes slow down and (hesitancy from radio to put her songs into top rotation), as a result, Big Machine feels the need to step in and push them a little higher (which, of course, brings us full-circle). Back to "Red", it does seem possible that the label could push it higher. I don't know, though...it just goes against my nature to believe that this can get much higher, given the amount of time it's already spent on the chart and the fact that Taylor's songs often burn out earlier than many other artists' songs do. But countryman87 does have a point in that a couple of songs will be coming down the chart this week (Joe and Keith/Miranda already are), and so Big Machine might see the opening and take their chance. It's also the end of the year so if there is another single from the album, it won't come out until January at the earliest, which still leaves them a few weeks to focus on "Red". But that's assuming that radio stations are still willing to play it, and I'm just not sure if that will be the case. If even a few stations start to feel this song has been out for too long, then they will cut back on its airplay, and that leads to a chain reaction of others to follow. I mean, we're talking about a Taylor Swift song here that has spent 26 weeks on the chart now, and is already slowing down on the secondary radio charts..
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Post by onebuffalo on Dec 9, 2013 8:43:53 GMT -5
I don't see them releasing another country single from the album, but that's just my opinion. I don't see why not. The album is still selling very well, it's continuing to get industry recognition (Grammys have given the record generous nominations), and she's only really had two hit country singles from it so far in "Begin Again" and "Red." There's still a lot of potential left in the era, and I believe there should be one more single at minimum until she's ready to transition into the next era in Q4 2014. I agree with indulgecountry. Scott Borchetta himself said that Taylor Swift is a fourth quarter artist. A fifth single (to country) should be released during the first quarter of 2014, let it peak (with as much resources as Big Machine has), and let Swift cool down so her next CD has much anticipation behind it. Who knows? Maybe she will open with another million selling week (1.0 million for Speak Now and 1.2 million for Red).
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2013 9:21:59 GMT -5
Don't mean to 'toot my own horn' but my Mediabase top 5 scenario turned out to be right, as "Red" lost 310k yesterday and another 510k today. So, a #7 peak on Billboard but #5 on Mediabase. I'm glad to see that Big Machine didn't do some over-the-top ridiculous push here.
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Post by Tylerjamesnerd on Dec 10, 2013 11:16:04 GMT -5
ok goood run for "red"! Now i hope for "all to well" or "stay stay stay"! "all to well" would be a good album closer but they could do "stay stay stay" first and then "all to well" after! that would be a perfect "red" era for me! I really have high hopes for taylor's coming album! ;) :)
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Post by tsr on Dec 10, 2013 11:24:49 GMT -5
If they really put out "Stay Stay Stay" in the midst of the Grammys and save "All too Well" for summer, I will just give up on life. I like the song for sure, but it would be stupid imo for them to sit on ATW when it's clearly the perfect time to release it. They should probably wait until after the freeze though.
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Post by ripediebritt on Dec 10, 2013 11:52:43 GMT -5
A fan in Ottawa heard All Too Well on the radio. This paired with Red's tumble, ATW's promo at the Grammy noms, ATW's charting on country radio last spring, and the Grammys coming up...
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Post by Taylor. on Dec 10, 2013 15:45:57 GMT -5
I wouldn't really call playing 5 seconds of All Too Well "promo." But I do really hope it's the next single. WInter is the perfect time to release it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2013 17:26:30 GMT -5
Don't mean to 'toot my own horn' but my Mediabase top 5 scenario turned out to be right, as "Red" lost 310k yesterday and another 510k today. So, a #7 peak on Billboard but #5 on Mediabase. I'm glad to see that Big Machine didn't do some over-the-top ridiculous push here. On Mediabase on All Access it hasn't lost anything yet. What chart are you looking at? I might ask you the same question! "Red" has lost audience. It's currently at 44.888 million, down from a high-water mark of 45.704 two days ago. It has peaked.
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Post by Taylor. on Dec 16, 2013 13:59:44 GMT -5
I doubt this means anything, but her cover photo on Facebook has been updated to a picture of her performing All Too Well.
... please mean something.
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Post by 14887fan on Dec 16, 2013 14:27:17 GMT -5
Holy hell, I will stan SO hard for this girl if this happens.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2013 16:15:39 GMT -5
Please, please, please, T Swift, gimme "All Too Well" on my country radio station.. <3
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Post by McCreerian on Dec 16, 2013 19:13:20 GMT -5
"All Too Well" has to be a single with an epic video. What a great way to start 2014 if it happens! When mom and me saw her in concert, this was the song mom and performance mom couldn't stop talking about after the show was over. It is so relatable to any age which is rare for a lot of Taylor's songs.
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Post by slayZ on Dec 16, 2013 23:15:38 GMT -5
All Too Well is literally one of the best, if not the best song she's ever written. It's a lyrical masterpiece.
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Post by tim on Dec 18, 2013 3:31:01 GMT -5
All Too Well is literally one of the best, if not the best song she's ever written. It's a lyrical masterpiece. Agreed, this song is a masterpiece! I'm happy to hear it actually might get a release. Count me in on the bandwagon with this release...
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Post by jughead on Dec 18, 2013 6:26:24 GMT -5
"You tell me 'bout your past thinking your future was me" Seriously. How does this girl think of such witty lyrics?
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Post by Cody Wants Out... on Dec 18, 2013 13:18:29 GMT -5
"All Too Well" would be the perfect way to end the era; in fact, I could see it bringing her back to the top 3 with a natural chart climb (i.e. no last-minute eye-boggling spin and AI increases).
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Post by Elusive Chanteuse on Dec 20, 2013 23:39:20 GMT -5
I pray they're going to go with All Too Well next. It's the perfect way to end this era on a good note, making Country want more.
Red is my personal favorite off the album so obviously while I am disappointed it didn't reach the summit, I am glad that Big Machine did not give it a huge payola push. It had a good Top 5 run. Now I am hoping Red will be released to Pop. Or All Too Well could be released to all formats, I wouldn't complain!
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Post by churchchoir on Dec 21, 2013 11:51:23 GMT -5
A 26-week run to #7 is pretty sub-par for Taylor! Her radio popularity looks like it's started to fade quickly. "Begin Again" made the top 15 in about ten weeks, I believe, and now one single later Taylor is taking over 20 weeks to hit the top 10. "All Too Well" is exactly what Taylor needs to revitalize her country radio career. It may be a little long, but it sounds like classic Taylor and it definitely sounds much more "country" than anything else off her album. I just hope Big Machine doesn't decide Taylor doesn't have enough momentum to safely continue this radio era.
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Post by matty005 on Dec 21, 2013 11:55:39 GMT -5
A 26-week run to #7 is pretty sub-par for Taylor! Her radio popularity looks like it's started to fade quickly. "Begin Again" made the top 15 in about ten weeks, I believe, and now one single later Taylor is taking over 20 weeks to hit the top 10. "All Too Well" is exactly what Taylor needs to revitalize her country radio career. It may be a little long, but it sounds like classic Taylor and it definitely sounds much more "country" than anything else off her album. I just hope Big Machine doesn't decide Taylor doesn't have enough momentum to safely continue this radio era. Starting to "fade quickly" based on one song that was still a top 10 hit?
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Post by rsmatto on Dec 21, 2013 13:34:46 GMT -5
A 26-week run to #7 is pretty sub-par for Taylor! Her radio popularity looks like it's started to fade quickly. "Begin Again" made the top 15 in about ten weeks, I believe, and now one single later Taylor is taking over 20 weeks to hit the top 10. "All Too Well" is exactly what Taylor needs to revitalize her country radio career. It may be a little long, but it sounds like classic Taylor and it definitely sounds much more "country" than anything else off her album. I just hope Big Machine doesn't decide Taylor doesn't have enough momentum to safely continue this radio era. Starting to "fade quickly" based on one song that was still a top 10 hit? I agree. She's not 'fading' anything.
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Post by churchchoir on Dec 21, 2013 13:57:18 GMT -5
This was still a top 10 single, but it seems pretty manufactured judging by the large number of weeks spent hanging outside the top 10 and the fast descent. I thought it was pretty commonly known that Taylor Swift often gets pushed much higher up the charts than she should go and I think that a lot of labels might not have been able to get "Red" into the top 10. Taylor also struggled with her last two singles on the charts. Before this single was released, I had thought that Taylor just coincidentally had two songs radio didn't care for in a row, but after three songs that had a pretty hard time on the charts, I get the impression Taylor has just become too polarizing for country radio with this album.
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Post by justme60 on Dec 21, 2013 14:06:21 GMT -5
To me everything about her is manufactured. I will never, ever consider Taylor Swift a country artist. Her performances on stage are a big turn off for me. Nothing spontaneous and all choreographed to the tee!
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Post by Elusive Chanteuse on Dec 21, 2013 15:42:35 GMT -5
A 26-week run to #7 is pretty sub-par for Taylor! Her radio popularity looks like it's started to fade quickly. "Begin Again" made the top 15 in about ten weeks, I believe, and now one single later Taylor is taking over 20 weeks to hit the top 10. "All Too Well" is exactly what Taylor needs to revitalize her country radio career. It may be a little long, but it sounds like classic Taylor and it definitely sounds much more "country" than anything else off her album. I just hope Big Machine doesn't decide Taylor doesn't have enough momentum to safely continue this radio era. Well, technically, it hit #5 on the Mediabase charts. ;) But a Top 10 single does not mean that she's "fading." If anything, Red was a little too Pop for Country to play and with all the bad reputation Taylor got this era, the peak is good enough! Hopefully Big Machine will decide on giving her one more single, All Too Well. I strongly believe All Too Well will win back her Country audience. I don't care how long it takes but All Too Well is a masterpiece that no one should ever miss out on!
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Post by churchchoir on Dec 21, 2013 17:09:53 GMT -5
A 26-week run to #7 is pretty sub-par for Taylor! Her radio popularity looks like it's started to fade quickly. "Begin Again" made the top 15 in about ten weeks, I believe, and now one single later Taylor is taking over 20 weeks to hit the top 10. "All Too Well" is exactly what Taylor needs to revitalize her country radio career. It may be a little long, but it sounds like classic Taylor and it definitely sounds much more "country" than anything else off her album. I just hope Big Machine doesn't decide Taylor doesn't have enough momentum to safely continue this radio era. Well, technically, it hit #5 on the Mediabase charts. ;) But a Top 10 single does not mean that she's "fading." If anything, Red was a little too Pop for Country to play and with all the bad reputation Taylor got this era, the peak is good enough! Hopefully Big Machine will decide on giving her one more single, All Too Well. I strongly believe All Too Well will win back her Country audience. I don't care how long it takes but All Too Well is a masterpiece that no one should ever miss out on! The song did hit the top 5 on Mediabase, but Taylor's songs almost always take advantage of the Mediabase points system. The Mediabase system allows songs to get way ahead simply by being played overnight on big stations that are assigned a lot of "weight," because the Mediabase chart, to my understanding, does not differentiate between daytime and nighttime spins, only between spins on "big" stations and spins on "small" stations. From my experience listening to the syndicated After MidNite show cut off four times an hour for songs to receive extra overnight spins on my local radio station, I have noticed that Big Machine songs get spun overnight most often of all the record labels' songs. (As a matter of fact, I've been hearing "Drunk Last Night" as often as twice an hour overnight on my local station this past week.) Anyway, I guess the specific peak position # is trivial. I don't necessarily think that a #7/#5 peak would be bad for an artist in most situations, but when you look at the chart run, you see that this was a very unusually slow climb for Taylor. As I said earlier, even "Begin Again," which had a really tough time making the top 10, stormed all the way into the top 15, and most of Taylor's songs in the past have stormed up the charts. She used to be one of those names like Kenny Chesney or Carrie Underwood that almost automatically got a song at least into the top 20 or top 15. "Red" never really did have a lot of momentum and Taylor hasn't spent 26 weeks on the chart in a good while. It just seems to me that Taylor is gradually become less of a big name on the charts and her songs are gradually becoming slower climbers. Now, I know I may be jumping to conclusions considering it's just been this past album that has been underwhelming for Taylor and, like you said, Taylor may have just attracted a lot of stigma associated with this album and her move towards more pop-leaning music, but I still think that even if Taylor does come back with a more country-sounding album, which would be kind of strange considering a lot of country artists these days are trying to become less country and more "modern," there would still be a lot of skepticism to play her music. I could be totally wrong about this, but I think it may be too late for Taylor to completely salvage her country radio career and although a song like "All Too Well" would definitely eliminate some of the stigma she has accumulated this era, the past three singles may have damaged her reputation with country radio beyond repair. I predict that Taylor will still have a few albums of moderate hits, but her climbs will start to get slower and she never will have another country hit as huge as the ones that kicked off her career.
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Post by matty005 on Dec 21, 2013 17:12:23 GMT -5
"I predict that Taylor will still have a few albums of moderate hits, but her climbs will start to get slower and she never will have another country hit as huge as the ones that kicked off her career."
That's a pretty bold statement considering she just turned 24.
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Post by churchchoir on Dec 21, 2013 17:34:45 GMT -5
Like I said, I know this may seem like I'm jumping to conclusions too quickly, but I just can't imagine Taylor suddenly shifting her career into "reverse." It seems the albums can only get more "pop-ish" from here. Maybe she could continue to toss in a mix of country songs with each record, but like people have said before, she's just becoming a more polarizing artist in general and I think that is also contributing to country radio's recent skepticism to give her really high levels of airplay.
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