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Post by Marv on Aug 12, 2005 1:39:19 GMT -5
Gretchen sold 227,000 (or thereabouts) in her first week. That number went down because the release date for the CD was moved up at least twice due to the overwhelming and unprecedented response to 'Redneck Woman', as it's chart accomplishments certainly displayed.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2005 2:15:47 GMT -5
This Faith Hill article, titled "Faith Hill Embraces Simpler Country Sound", was posted on a ST board. Faith now calls herself a "soul sister." Her words, not mine. I just don't know what to say.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2005 2:18:10 GMT -5
Here is the entire article for those that don't want to Google it. Faith Hill Embraces Simpler Country Sound[/size] By JOHN GEROME NASHVILLE, Tenn. - For a down-home "Mississippi Girl," Faith Hill sure cleans up well _ from magazine covers and a Hollywood film to a celebrity marriage with country star Tim McGraw. But Hill's new album "Fireflies" finds her embracing her small-town roots. The album, which debuted this week at No. 1 on both Billboard's Top 200 and Country Album charts, is a more acoustic, country-flavored record than her last outing, the pop-heavy "Cry." The first single, "Mississippi Girl," is a biographical song written by her pal John Rich of the duo Big & Rich and Adam Shoenfeld. In the song, Hill sings that despite her success, a "Mississippi girl don't change her ways just 'cause everybody knows her name." Hill, 37, who fittingly grew up in a small town called Star, just outside Jackson, Miss., spoke to The Associated Press about her new album, acting, juggling career with family life, and what it's like to work with her husband. AP: Were you making a statement with "Mississippi Girl" that you were returning to country music? Hill: In my mind I never left. With "Cry" I was just making an artistic record. I never had intentions of leaving country music and forgetting where I came from. I won't always make records that please everybody, but as an artist who's growing I have to do what's right for me in order to make great music. Without making that last album I couldn't have made this one. AP: If you had to put your finger on one or two things that make "Fireflies" different from "Cry," what would they be? Hill: It's definitely a more acoustic album. I wanted to make a more acoustic record, and I intentionally set out to find songs that allow me to do that. The material on this album is based more upon real-life stories, stories we all lived or experienced on an everyday basis. The songs that are meant to be deep on this record are really, really deep. AP: The song "Dearly Beloved" is a funny but also cynical song about marriage. What made you want to cut it? Hill: It was hilarious to me. I think it's hilarious, but at the same time I don't see it as being cynical, but as taking a serious, not-so-funny subject matter and turning it inside-out with its humor. AP: The last song on this record, "Paris," has a different feel to it from the others, like a throwback to another era. Hill: I've always loved '40s music. I got into the studio and sang "Paris" and realized that this kind of writing fits my voice perfectly. I said that one day I'm going to do nothing but a '40s music record because my voice fits those songs, besides the fact that they are extraordinary songs. AP: You made your acting debut last year in "The Stepford Wives." Is that something you'd like to do more of? Hill: I definitely want to do it again, but not to that extent. I worked on that film for close to five months. If I'm going to dedicate that time again it's going to be something that's life-changing. I always read scripts and have been for years. Right now, I'm focused on this record and touring. I haven't toured in five years and really want to get back on stage. AP: Is it difficult for both you and your husband to be entertainers and lead a relatively normal family life with your three daughters? Hill: The difficult part is just the scheduling. We're so used to our lifestyle we just have to make it work around our family. That's the most important thing, and then we just fill in from that point. So it gets challenging a lot of times and difficult like it is with everyone else out there who is juggling lot of things. We've had to turn down things that would have been great but that were not worth disrupting our family over. AP: Tim sings background on a song on this album, "Like We Never Loved At All." Tell the truth, is he easy to work with? Hill: (Laughs) He's real easy to work with. I love to work with him. We have different tastes in music. He's '70s rock 'n' roll, and I'm a soul sister, but we definitely agree on great songs. Source
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Post by musicfan_84 on Aug 13, 2005 2:40:07 GMT -5
So apparently no one can like other forms of music? Why must everyone ALWAYS criticize EVERY word that comes out of that woman's mouth?!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2005 3:07:42 GMT -5
So apparently no one can like other forms of music? Why must everyone ALWAYS criticize EVERY word that comes out of that woman's mouth?! Well, she started out as a country girl. Then she said her true roots made her a Soul/R&B/Gospel girl during the "Cry" era. Next she's a country girl again with "Fireflies." Now she is saying she's a "soul sister" who wants to do 40s music. She, you, me and everyone else can like any music we all want to. It is just that in reading Faith's interviews, imo, it sometimes seems like she just can't make up her mind about things. She's not consistant about things. One minute she's saying that by crossing over, and then doing "Cry," she's "growing" and "changing" as an artist. The next minute she is singing a song telling everyone that she hasn't changed at all and that she's just a "Mississippi Girl." Anyway. That is jmo.
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Post by MusicRules on Aug 13, 2005 12:02:52 GMT -5
It still doesn't make sense to me. And I should clarify I'm talking about the televised performances.
She's plugging a new album. You would want the audience to hear the new stuff. If I were an average consumer and had watched The View and was undecided about buying Fireflies, I would still be undecided since I hadn't heard anything new.
When she promoted Cry, she never once performed an old song with regard to television appearances. In fact, with a handful of televised performances, she sang 5 new songs to promote her new music.
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Post by kyhomeg on Aug 13, 2005 14:33:17 GMT -5
This Faith Hill article, titled "Faith Hill Embraces Simpler Country Sound", was posted on a ST board. Faith now calls herself a "soul sister." Her words, not mine. I just don't know what to say. I know what to say to you but I will hold back, don't want to be rude. Faith from day one, and I have been a fan and followed her career since 1993 has always mention gospel, soul music and been influenced by many styles of music. Heck her first inluence that she has stated many times was Elvis. She saw him in concert at age 8. What do you think Elvis was? Here was a guy that melted so many styles of music from blues, gospel, country to come up with rock and roll. There is so many elements of blues, gospel, soul and many styles in not only counry music but rock and roll. Very little of any of it is pure. If you go back to her bio from 1993 she listed Aretha Franklin as one of her favorites along with Reba and Elvis. In September Aretha's is releasing a album of duets of her music and Faith joined her on one. I can't wait have loved Aretha snce the 60's. She grew up in Mississippi in a small town, a state so rich in history of many styles of music that got blended together. Her first album had a SOULFUL gospel song on it. Faith's voice always to me had a soulful sound to it just like another Mississippi Girl, Tammy. She was part of a church choir during her school years that went around the state performing, she has mention that from day one when she came to Nashville. This was a choir that performed that southern gospel music that has alot of that soul element to it. So I don't know what you are trying to get at, but it is ok to like and be influenced by many styles.
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Post by kyhomeg on Aug 13, 2005 14:36:17 GMT -5
I love this statement:
Hill: In my mind I never left. With "Cry" I was just making an artistic record. I never had intentions of leaving country music and forgetting where I came from. I won't always make records that please everybody, but as an artist who's growing I have to do what's right for me in order to make great music. Without making that last album I couldn't have made this one.
Unlike another female artist that doesn't have the guts to put an album like CRY out and let it stand on its own and fall where it does. That to me took guts, unlike one that wants to please all with her color coded CD's.
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Post by austin on Aug 13, 2005 15:39:34 GMT -5
Do you really believe Faith OR WB believed that CRY would sell under 3 million copies and not match the success (atleast at AC/POP radio) that BREATHE did?
I believe they were trying to turn her into a Pop Diva that was even bigger than that 'artist that tries to please all with her color coded CDs'...but it didn't and won't ever work.
Atleast she is just a Country/AC/Pop/Rock singing Mississippi Girl/Diva.
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Post by Spidey on Aug 13, 2005 15:48:36 GMT -5
I love this statement: Hill: In my mind I never left. With "Cry" I was just making an artistic record. I never had intentions of leaving country music and forgetting where I came from. I won't always make records that please everybody, but as an artist who's growing I have to do what's right for me in order to make great music. Without making that last album I couldn't have made this one. Unlike another female artist that doesn't have the guts to put an album like CRY out and let it stand on its own and fall where it does. That to me took guts, unlike one that wants to please all with her color coded CD's. I've liked Faith in the past, but I think her comment above is ridiculous. IMO, she's being disingenuous at best, and she's outright lying at worst. If CRY had been successful ala Come On Over, I don't believe for a second that Faith would have switched gears and gone back to country. We're getting "Mississippi Girl" today because CRY tanked, and this is Faith running back to Nashville with her tail between her legs. This is rather obvious to alot of people. And oh yes, Shania is so gutless, while Faith is so brave. Give me a break. Faith herself has admitted that Shania kicked down several doors in country music for females to follow through, including Faith herself. Kicking down these doors took more guts than Faith has ever displayed during her career.
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Post by kyhomeg on Aug 13, 2005 16:27:58 GMT -5
I don't think for a minute that Faith has ever tried to duplicate Shania Twain. First of all, their music is sooo different. Faith's cross-over super-star status following Breathe allowed her to be able to make the music she wanted to make. I truly believe that is what she did with Cry. I remember one interview when someone asked her to describe the Cry album, and she said, "I don't know what you call it, but it's just...soulful". I also don't see Cry as a pure pop album. It's got a mix of blues, soul and rock infused into it too. I think it's such a blending of styles that no one really knew how to categorize it. That's why I hate the fact that everything has to fit into a genre to be accepted (especially in Nashville).
It's unfortunate some people think performers have to fit into a mold to be accepted. Let's face it, Just about every big name country singer today has a mix of pop, country, and blues in their albums. I think the content of the album is less important that the quality of the songs and singer. If the song moves the performer, as Faith has said, then it should move the listener, unless you're locked into categorizing performers.
I am as big a country fan as you will find....and I thought Cry sounded awesome. Was it country....no way. Do I believe Faith when she said she made the music that moved her. Yes.
She did not try to pull a Shania. Shania Twain didnt have the courage to cut a pop album for fear of being blackballed in country - so what did she do? She released Up! in 3 versions: country, pop, and international. To me that is a blantant attempt to have her cake and eat it too.
What Faith did was to cut a mixture album. She had courage to put it out there. For that she should be respected - not ripped to shreds. Cry showed off her amazing vocal ability. I think its something she HAD to do for herself.
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Post by kyhomeg on Aug 13, 2005 16:33:11 GMT -5
Also love how some of you are so quick to know Faith's motives and why she does what she does. Where would Shania be without Mutt. Shania sound was different till she hooked up with Mutt, he changed her sound and made her. Anybody that knows anything about Mutt and the work of people he's produced, know is signature sounds and hooks. So where would she be with out him, I say nowhere.
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Post by Love4Shania on Aug 13, 2005 17:19:00 GMT -5
I love this statement: Hill: In my mind I never left. With "Cry" I was just making an artistic record. I never had intentions of leaving country music and forgetting where I came from. I won't always make records that please everybody, but as an artist who's growing I have to do what's right for me in order to make great music. Without making that last album I couldn't have made this one. Unlike another female artist that doesn't have the guts to put an album like CRY out and let it stand on its own and fall where it does. That to me took guts, unlike one that wants to please all with her color coded CD's. err...I guess you have never heard of an album called "Come On Over", an album that stood on it's own and is bigger then all of Faith Hill's entire catalogue combined. You have your logic seriously twisted, Faith was the one trying to cross over to pop music with Cry and failing miserably, Shania was the one making an artistic movement with Up! and creating her songs in 3 differerent arrangements for peoples different moods. Shania isn't like Faith Hill, Shania already naturally won her fanbase over with The Woman In Me and Come On Over, she doesn't create albums in attempt for winning more people over then crawl back to her "roots" on her hands and knees begging for forgiveness when she fails. Also love how some of you are so quick to know Faith's motives and why she does what she does. Where would Shania be without Mutt. Shania sound was different till she hooked up with Mutt, he changed her sound and made her. Anybody that knows anything about Mutt and the work of people he's produced, know is signature sounds and hooks. So where would she be with out him, I say nowhere. You need to stop questioning "where would she be" and accept where she is. I can do the same, where would Faith Hill be without Shania Twain? ...I say nowhere, Faith Hill is the dilute Shania wannabe and the majority of her success is from the debris of the door that Shania kicked down.
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Post by kyhomeg on Aug 13, 2005 18:05:05 GMT -5
No Shania is the product of Mutt and his hooks with the music, without Mutt, she be singing in a club in Canada. It wasn't until after she hooked up with Mutt that she became successful. You must not know Mutt's work with other artist very well.
What Faith is, a singer with a awesome voice, what Shanai is a studio product that can't sing.
Faith first single spent 4 weeks at #1 and she had a hit album. Shania first album was a flop when it was released, and only after she hooked up Mutt and them vidoes did she become successful.
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Post by musicfan_84 on Aug 13, 2005 18:05:50 GMT -5
Ok you guys need to stop before you get this thread closed.
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Post by kyhomeg on Aug 13, 2005 18:14:08 GMT -5
I am not the one that brought this discussion into this thread. That was a Shania fan of course and trying once again to discredit Faith. The most important thing, Faith can sing and does it from her heart. Shania could never in a million years cover the songs that Faith does, she doesn't have the voice, soul or range. That is why she stays with the kinda songs she does, she knows the limitations of her voice.
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Post by Love4Shania on Aug 13, 2005 18:46:34 GMT -5
No Shania is the product of Mutt and his hooks with the music, without Mutt, she be singing in a club in Canada. It wasn't until after she hooked up with Mutt that she became successful. You must not know Mutt's work with other artist very well. Maybe you are not aware of how a song is structured or how Shania operates but Shania writes her own songs on her own guitar, both the lyrics and melodly. How Shania's songs are then arranged and produced in the studio (and yes Shania does have a joint involvement in that too) is a moot point coming from you considering Faith Hill doesn't write OR produce any of her songs therefore what credit does she deserve if they become a hit? Faith's voice isn't awesome, she lacks charisma. Shania's voice is soft, sexy, charasmatic, energetic, sassy, heartfelt, packed with attitude and she has great tone. Shania can pull off any style of music and she concentrates on singing with heart and character rather then going over the top and bellowing her songs like what some other females do, which is an admirable and respectable quality as far as my ears are concerned. The main reason Shania's debut album was a flop was because it didn't have her own material on it. If it did then it could have been huge for all you know. You are talking about the airplay charts as if they matter...well they don't. Come back when Faith Hill has an album engraved into the top 10 biggest sellers of all time list, which will be never.
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Post by Love4Shania on Aug 13, 2005 18:56:42 GMT -5
I am not the one that brought this discussion into this thread. That was a Shania fan of course and trying once again to discredit Faith. The most important thing, Faith can sing and does it from her heart. Shania could never in a million years cover the songs that Faith does, she doesn't have the voice, soul or range. That is why she stays with the kinda songs she does, she knows the limitations of her voice. Covering Faith's songs? ...that wouldn't be hard considering how bland and lifeless they are. Your overzealousness towards Faith Hill and Tim Mcgraw makes me want to puke. Maybe you didn't read or acknowledge 90% of the reviews but Faith's album, just like her voice, is Average at best. Oh and you were the one who brought up Shania with this garbage: Unlike another female artist that doesn't have the guts to put an album like CRY out and let it stand on its own and fall where it does. That to me took guts, unlike one that wants to please all with her color coded CD's.
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Post by drock89 on Aug 13, 2005 19:42:38 GMT -5
I love you Nursie! Yes Nursie! I said it! You are the perfect image of what I never want to do. You are a hypocrite; you praise and scorn on the same basis; you glorify people in their defense when the obvious truth is the sore thumb; if the day comes that you will say a negative comment, and mean it, against the McGraws, God willing let Jesus walk again--my time has come.
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Post by Spidey on Aug 13, 2005 20:41:26 GMT -5
No Shania is the product of Mutt and his hooks with the music, without Mutt, she be singing in a club in Canada. It wasn't until after she hooked up with Mutt that she became successful. You must not know Mutt's work with other artist very well. What Faith is, a singer with a awesome voice, what Shanai is a studio product that can't sing. So on one hand Mutt is a genius in the world of music, but on the other hand he's so stupid that he chose to work with a woman who can't sing. Gotcha. Your logic is hilarious to watch in action.
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Post by drock89 on Aug 13, 2005 20:47:46 GMT -5
What Faith is, a singer with a awesome voice, what SHANIA is (is) a studio product that can't sing. cough* FAITH USES PROTOOLS TOO*cough cough* FAITH USES HER HUSBAND TO SELL RECORDS*cough cough* FAITH COPIED SHANIA IN THE 90S*cough wow excuse me. cough* SHANIA NEVER CHEATED ON HER FIANCE*cough Ok, I'm done taking cheap shots at your angel. TCorey--ban me now lol. (J/K!)
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Post by drock89 on Aug 13, 2005 23:15:14 GMT -5
I am not the one that brought this discussion into this thread. That was a Shania fan of course and trying once again to discredit Faith. The most important thing, Faith can sing and does it from her heart. Shania could never in a million years cover the songs that Faith does, she doesn't have the voice, soul or range. That is why she stays with the kinda songs she does, she knows the limitations of her voice. Really? Are you oblivious to even what you say? I didn't catch this the first time, and I really want your own words to reflect on you.. So in other words Shania? Right. Case closed. I wanted to ask you something else GiJoe..why is "Like We Never Loved At All" going to AC radio before it goes to country? (according to All Access)
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Post by Bigchief on Aug 14, 2005 16:11:05 GMT -5
So - why was my post deleted? And where do you see that LWNLAA is being released to AC?
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Post by drock89 on Aug 14, 2005 20:43:29 GMT -5
So - why was my post deleted? And where do you see that LWNLAA is being released to AC? Someone told me that it was posted on All Access..I think since then it has been removed, because I just checked and didn't see it..
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Post by kyhomeg on Aug 15, 2005 0:57:32 GMT -5
The song was NEVER going for adds on AC radio. It has never been listed for adds, never been listed as coll new music and never listed for future release.
Somebody on Country Weekly started that rumor and it was completely false. Some AC, soft rock stations have played it the first couple weeks of the albums released but not because they sent it to them. That is why the person CW reported that false information.
In fact in the complete article in Billboard a few weeks ago. The label said they would not be sending any remixs to AC radio off this album. If it gets played on AC, that will be their choice and it would be as it.
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Post by drock89 on Aug 16, 2005 22:12:59 GMT -5
Faith will hold onto the #1 Country albums spot, but dropped to 3rd, less then 118,000 sold according to the hitsdailydouble.com site: Billboards sales may be slightly higher.. I was predicting a 40-45% decrease but wow. I sure hope it doesn't take Faith 12-13 weeks to sell a million Anyway, this was to be predicted, as "Fireflies" was everywhere and obviously, they can't sell every copy. So what's next? They better start to milk this with singles..
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Post by Jonsolo on Aug 16, 2005 22:52:41 GMT -5
Faith will hold onto the #1 Country albums spot, but dropped to 3rd, less then 118,000 sold according to the hitsdailydouble.com site: Billboards sales may be slightly higher.. I was predicting a 40-45% decrease but wow. I sure hope it doesn't take Faith 12-13 weeks to sell a million Anyway, this was to be predicted, as "Fireflies" was everywhere and obviously, they can't sell every copy. So what's next? They better start to milk this with singles.. Okay, using hitsdailydouble's first week's numbers in comparison to the numbers that Billboard supplied, I guess we can expect about a 130,000 mark on Billboard for the second week. That would be about a 60% drop from the first week. I think someone on this thread earlier said that Faith would avoid the usual 50% drop on her second week. I wish I could remember her name, but I can't quite place it. Oh well. I'm sure she'll soon remind us that those second week sales numbers are still better than the 2nd week #'s for the most recent albums by Toby Keith, George Strait, Alan Jackson, and Keith Urban.
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Post by musicbuff78 on Aug 16, 2005 22:55:17 GMT -5
Dammit....missed an opportunity! I was going to predict at least a 30% drop...then I would have been 2-2 with predictions. I can't say the decrease shocks me at all.
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Post by Jonsolo on Aug 17, 2005 10:24:06 GMT -5
Billboard is reporting a 62% 2nd week sales decrease for Fireflies, down to 124,000.
I think that makes 450K sold in two weeks, which was less than about what four of the posters here were guessing for 1st week sales.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2005 0:08:03 GMT -5
I know one thing that Shania and Faith have in common and it has nothing to do with music.
They both have fans who dream about them because there hot women. ROTFLOL
It's not always about the music and sometimes people don't even care 1% about the music.
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