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Post by sabre14 on Apr 1, 2014 14:31:05 GMT -5
I'm just sort of baffled how this has such negative call-out scores, but "This is How We Roll" doesn't. I don't like either song personally, but even I can say that the chorus to each is catchy. Jake's talking is less of a turnoff that Tyler's rapping (and unlistenable voice to begin with), but to me the songs are pretty similar in style... and neither one says anything new. In short, I do not like the FGL effect, Sam I Am. I'm actually less surprised how well FGL does with those call-out scores the more time goes on. Being 24, I'm not joking when I say all my friends love their music. They see no problems with their vocals, lyrics, production or song subject. As bad as Tyler's rapping is, people just don't care at least where I work or hang out. To me "This Is How We Roll" has a much more catchy chorus than "Beachin" (again, I despise both myself). But in terms of what I feel would be more fun and catchy for the average 16 to 25 year old to sing along to, it's clearly "This Is How We Roll". So that's really what I'm thinking when FGL's music consistently scores pretty high positive feedback from call-out america. Maybe I'm dead wrong and many more people than I thought, think that Jake's song is just as, if not more catchy and fun. Just to clarify, I hate posting reasoning for this kind of thing.
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Post by Steven on Apr 1, 2014 18:19:52 GMT -5
Listening to this song for the first time as I post this. This is pretty terrible. How is this a single?
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Post by justme60 on Apr 1, 2014 18:41:43 GMT -5
Jake's song is awful! I was listening to the radio in the car today and TIHWR came on and then right after it, the DJs played Beachin and they said it's the #1 most requested song of the day!! It was all I could do not to call the radio station and ask them if this was a country radio station or a rapping station!! Anyhow, I changed stations. Country music is changing and it won't be back like it use to be.
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Post by matty005 on Apr 1, 2014 19:56:24 GMT -5
Jake's song is awful! I was listening to the radio in the car today and TIHWR came on and then right after it, the DJs played Beachin and they said it's the #1 most requested song of the day!! It was all I could do not to call the radio station and ask them if this was a country radio station or a rapping station!! Anyhow, I changed stations. Country music is changing and it won't be back like it use to be. TIHWR?
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Post by carriekins on Apr 1, 2014 20:14:05 GMT -5
^^ This is How We Roll.
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Post by dm2081 on Apr 14, 2014 0:57:23 GMT -5
Pretty surprised that most people on here dislike this song. It's personally one of my favorites from the album, although I love just about every song on the album. It's selling really well on iTunes, even at 34 on the top 100 chart right now, which should help this at least go top 5. But I think once Memorial weekend comes around, it will start receiving much more play at radio. As for future singles, Ghost Town has to be released soon, either 3rd or 4th. If Beachin' goes #1 (especially on the Hot Country Songs chart), I could see What We Ain't Got being released. Jake has said in interviews that he's very hopeful it will get released as a single at some point, and could have the potential to take his career to the upper echelon in my opinion. Life of the Party also seems to be really popular with fans, but I don't know if they could release 3 consecutive ballads/heartbreak songs in a row. I personally would release What We Ain't Got as 3rd single, Ghost Town as 4th, and then either Good Timing or Life of the Party as the 5th single (if they make it that far).
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Post by rjz on Apr 14, 2014 8:28:42 GMT -5
^^^ I like it too. Nothing outstanding artistic lyrically or in the way he sings it, but the song plays well on radio, has a nice groove and sounds a little different from the copycat summer songs out there.
It was definitely a grower, and now I enjoy the beat and sound whenever it comes on, even though it can't match Barefoot Bluejean Night.
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Post by rsmatto on Apr 14, 2014 10:50:37 GMT -5
It's one of the potential "Songs of the Summer" for 2014.
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Post by dm2081 on Apr 23, 2014 21:31:22 GMT -5
Can someone explain to me what call-out scores are? I keep hearing this song is receiving awful ones but it doesn't make too much sense to me. The song is the 4th best selling country song on iTunes right now, higher than Keith Urban, Eric Church, and even the the current #1 song right now. It's currently 36th among all songs on iTunes. If it's getting terrible call-out scores, then why is it selling so well digitally?
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Post by carriekins on Apr 23, 2014 21:41:02 GMT -5
Can someone explain to me what call-out scores are? I keep hearing this song is receiving awful ones but it doesn't make too much sense to me. The song is the 4th best selling country song on iTunes right now, higher than Keith Urban, Eric Church, and even the the current #1 song right now. It's currently 36th among all songs on iTunes. If it's getting terrible call-out scores, then why is it selling so well digitally? Because the people they're sampling for their survey scores aren't the people buying the song. There are a couple of different ways they garner feedback. Callout America is just that - phone call surveys. I used to do these. They play you a 30-second snippet of a song and you tell them whether you like it, dislike it, love it, etc and if you're tired of it. There are online surveys. Over at NashvilleCountryClub.com you can take a survey that provides feedback to Radio Feedback. You can also do RateTheMusic surveys. Some radio stations have their own independent surveys, too. They're all asking the same questions basically. Do you like it? Are you tired of it? They get your demo information, too. Age, where you live, male/female, how often you listen to the radio, etc. There's also the very real possibility that the song is testing well in one demo (in this case I'd suspect the 18-34 demo, both males and females, though likely higher for males) but not well in the other demos, so when it's averaged out for the overall scores, it's not faring well.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2014 21:46:48 GMT -5
Can someone explain to me what call-out scores are? I keep hearing this song is receiving awful ones but it doesn't make too much sense to me. The song is the 4th best selling country song on iTunes right now, higher than Keith Urban, Eric Church, and even the the current #1 song right now. It's currently 36th among all songs on iTunes. If it's getting terrible call-out scores, then why is it selling so well digitally? Well, first off, there are all kinds of call-out scores, and I think someone would have to be a radio programmer to be able to really explain it well. The ones we usually refer to at Pulse are the Bullseye Callout Scores, which are published in the Billboard chart. Bullseye's Callout America chart is defined as a 450-person sample that's taken each week in 20 US markets. It's 50% male, 50% female, and evenly balanced in all age demographics...18-24, 25-34, 35-44, and 45-54. You can view the current call-out survey in this week's Billboard chart, at this link. It's way down at the bottom, page 15. And at the bottom of the call-out chart there's a few lines of small text that explain how the chart is compiled. The scores for "Beachin'" have improved a little bit over the last week or two, but total dislike is at nearly 29%...ie, almost 1 out of 3 people surveyed said that they didn't like the song. Sales rarely correlate to callout/listener feedback. I suspect that this song is testing very well with males 18-34, the "bro" demographic, but probably not testing well in all other demographics, thus resulting in an overall poor ranking. And it's probably selling well with younger fans as well, and also people who don't particularly like country music (since this song isn't a country song, not really). It's not exactly similar to "Red Solo Cup", but that song tested very poorly with listeners and yet it sold by the bucketload. I'm not surprised in the slightest at how "Beachin'" is blowing up at iTunes, nor am I surprised with the listener reaction. Hopefully that helped. And keep in mind that there are tons and tons of other call-out reports. Billboard publishes another call-out chart with the Thursday Hot Country Songs issues, called Radiofeedback. It's similar to Callout America...both are from the company Bullseye, but Radiofeedback is an online survey where as CA is over the phone (I think that's right anyway...someone correct me if I'm wrong). Jake's overall ranking is pretty low on Radiofeedback as well (#33 overall, on a chart that only goes thru #35), but his negatives are a bit lower on that survey (although most songs not in the top 15 overall have much lower negatives on Radiofeedback than they do on Callout America). Labels/radio also look at other callout numbers from Rate The Music, Big Champagne, and tons of other places...but on the 2 charts that we see courtesy of Billboard, "Beachin'" isn't testing that well. I'm sure it'll go top 10 at radio, maybe even #1, but sometimes even the songs that sell well can't get into the highest rotations at radio because they're just a little too polarizing for the more conservative listeners of the genre.
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Post by dm2081 on Apr 23, 2014 21:54:11 GMT -5
Thanks that was very helpful. I too think Beachin' can reach #1. It's moved pretty well through some of the months where it wouldn't be as expected to be as popular (February and March), and should only get more desirable as the weather continues to warm up. If this can peak around the end of June, after the logjam in the top 10 right now, it would certainly get some strong recurrent play throughout the summer, and really set up his next single quite well, probably Ghost Town or Life of the Party. But it's looking like the label made a good decision to release Beachin' as the second single, it should at least go gold, maybe even higher in sales.
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Post by Cody Wants Out... on Apr 24, 2014 7:31:51 GMT -5
Oh dear Heavenly Father, I thought this was gonna flop big time...but I guess these call-out scores don't really matter to radio programmers. As long as it's selling like hot cakes on iTunes (just like pop radio these days, smh) this looks like it'll be some kind of hit possibly out-peaking the title track at the very least.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2014 15:58:52 GMT -5
Oh dear Heavenly Father, I thought this was gonna flop big time...but I guess these call-out scores will assist in this out-peaking the title track at the very least. I'm confused. Bad callout scores will help this one to out-peak the title track? That doesn't make sense to me. "Beachin'" will out-peak "Days Of Gold", for a certainty, but it definitely won't be because of bad call-out ratings. If anything, that would hinder a song. No, this will out-peak DOG because of very strong digital sales. If there is any reason to point to here, it's the sales.
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Post by rsmatto on Apr 24, 2014 16:34:16 GMT -5
The reason for the bad call-out scores to this song is that people still think 'rap' when they hear spoken verses and technically rap is the same as talking but it's not rap in my mind, what Colt Ford does is 'rap' and Aldean's "Dirt Road Anthem" and "1994" are examples of 'rap' songs that became country hits. This is way more close to "Boys Round Here" which was a spoken/recitation style of song. I still don't get the hate for these types of songs which have ALWAYS been part of Country Music and American Music.
That being said, artists, labels AND radio LOVE passionate polarizing types of songs like this, it causes discussion and passion one way or another makes for a song people want/don't want to hear, rather than a song that's sorta just there on the airplay (insert highly-played, poorly selling radio song here).
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Post by sabre14 on Apr 24, 2014 17:11:20 GMT -5
I think some of the hate for this song isn't because people think that spoken lyrics haven't been part of country music in the past. Obviously there have been many examples of those songs dating back to the 70's and 80's. "A Boy Named Sue" had much of it spoken by Johnny Cash and that is considered a legendary song in the genre. The hate for "Beachin'" is the fact it just doesn't sound good, or at least that's the reason I don't enjoy it. In fact I would much rather listen to "Dirt Road Anthem", "Drivin' Around Song", "Rollin' (The Ballad Of Big & Rich)", or even "1994". And I don't even like "1994", but at least the groove is somewhat tolerable. "Beachin'" has no redeeming qualities in terms of lyrics, production, and instrumentation. The way Jake talks the verses I actually find worse than some of the country-rap that's been out there.
I would understand why many would like this song though. It's getting warmer outside, and hearing a song about having fun at a beach and enjoying great weather with your significant other is quite the state of mind. But the aspects of this song I pointed out is just too much for me to overcome when it comes to even trying to like "Beachin'".
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Post by Cody Wants Out... on Apr 24, 2014 17:31:53 GMT -5
jhomes87, I edited my post. I must've glanced over the last several posts and wrote without thinking. What a waste, right? At least my first year of grad school is almost over; too bad that I have a dozen different things to do this last week or so...and I'm not even dealing with a thesis yet.
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Post by dm2081 on Apr 24, 2014 21:48:11 GMT -5
I think the production and instrumentation are two of the best parts about this song. The intro has a real cool retro synth feel to it, it sounds pretty original. No one here will say that the lyrics are top quality, and even though this is one of my favorite songs I can admit that the second verse should have been completely rewritten, but sometimes we do just need a good summer sounding song like this for having a good time. It's a song meant to be played on summer radio, to sound epic at concerts, and to sell records. Jake is afterall, from Florida, so this fits right in his wheelhouse.
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Post by Markus Meyer on Apr 24, 2014 21:52:42 GMT -5
I must be the only one who thinks the chorus is more annoying than the spoken word parts.
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Post by rbundy1987 on May 6, 2014 1:24:37 GMT -5
I am now definitely seeing this becoming a #1 hit during July, as it has really picked up in airplay, video is being shown more lately on music stations (saw it like 3 times in last 2 days), sales are doing very well digitally, spins and audience are ramping up and has a bullet of 618 on Mediabase. It also Greatest Gainer Honors this week on Billboard Country Airplay as it gains 3.782, basically 3.8 mil in audience gain alone. Song has really come alive especially since Easter, guess the turn of the seasons are helping this song out.
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Post by dm2081 on May 25, 2014 1:04:59 GMT -5
This is Jakes quickest song to reach the top 10, needing 17 weeks to do so. His previous high was 20 weeks. I think there's a good chance this could be a 2 week chart topper on BB, looking to peak around 4th of July which couldn't be any better timing. Label made a good call by releasing this song, even though I know many on this thread aren't big on this song.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2014 1:31:33 GMT -5
This is Jakes quickest song to reach the top 10, needing 17 weeks to do so. His previous high was 20 weeks. I think there's a good chance this could be a 2 week chart topper on BB, looking to peak around 4th of July which couldn't be any better timing. Label made a good call by releasing this song, even though I know many on this thread aren't big on this song. I have "Barefoot Blue Jean Night" as taking 19 weeks to crack the top 10, and "Alone With You" taking 20 weeks to get there. Billboard chart run for BBJN: 55-43-41-36-34-29-29-27-24-23-20-17-14-13-12-13-11-11-10-8-6-4-2-1-1-4-5-7-8-recurrent For "Alone With You": 56-45-40-35-35-33-32-31-30-26-23-21-21-21-18-16-14-12-11-9-10-5-3-2-2-1-1-3-7-recurrent ** I agree though, releasing this turned out to be a smart move for the label. It's really doing well both digitally and at radio. Still, it's one of my least favorite Jake singles. I much preferred "Days Of Gold". "Barefoot Blue Jean Night" is still far and away my favorite, followed by "The One That Got Away". I don't like as many of his earlier singles, but both "Startin' With Me" and "Don't Think I Can't Love You" are pretty good, and "Tell Me" was vastly underrated. I don't dislike "Beachin'" but I can't say I really enjoy it though either. I am glad to see Jake doing well again, even though I don't think Days Of Gold is as good as the Barefoot Blue Jean Night album. I would like to see "Ghost Town" and "Drivin' All Night" as the next 2 singles from this album.
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Post by bluedog6 on May 25, 2014 9:22:33 GMT -5
I must be the only one who thinks the chorus is more annoying than the spoken word parts. Nope same here. I in fact like the spoken word part of the song. It has such a nice stripped down easy going vibe to it just like a summer song should have. Then the chorus. Ugh!!!! I have the same problem with this chorus that I do with numerous other country songs on the chart right now. I hate when it sounds like vocals are layer upon layer upon layer so that it sounds totally synthetic and unnatural. I had the same issue with "Barefoot Blue Jean Night" during the "ohhhhh ohhhhh ohhhhh" part of the chorus. It's like they were trying to make it sound like a whole stadium full of people when all it comes across to me is synthetic voices. Might as well just use Steven Hawking's computer's voice layered multiple times over. I find myself listening to the verses, changing the station when the chorus comes on and hoping I make it back around for the next verse.
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Post by dm2081 on May 25, 2014 10:04:46 GMT -5
This is Jakes quickest song to reach the top 10, needing 17 weeks to do so. His previous high was 20 weeks. I think there's a good chance this could be a 2 week chart topper on BB, looking to peak around 4th of July which couldn't be any better timing. Label made a good call by releasing this song, even though I know many on this thread aren't big on this song. I would like to see "Ghost Town" and "Drivin' All Night" as the next 2 singles from this album. Those would be two excellent choices. I think "Life of the Party" and "Good Timing" would be good choices as well. I'm pretty confident that "Ghost Town" will be the next single. It would be amazing if they went with "What We Ain't Got", but I doubt they'll go with that.
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Post by jferstler on May 25, 2014 16:08:22 GMT -5
I really enjoy this song, not as much as some of his earlier songs like Don't Think I Can't Love You, Startin' With Me, 8 Second Ride, and Barefoot Blue Jean Night but I think this is decent. The speaking part is great, and the chourus is not the best on the radio but it's alright. Jake has had some very solid album tracks left as such.... (Heaven, Apple Pie Moonshine)
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2014 21:29:26 GMT -5
This is #2 on iTunes country now, having surpassed "This Is How We Roll". "Play It Again" remains #1.
I just can't get into this one. I loved "Days Of Gold" and I can see why they went with this one, but it's not a favorite of mine. It's not a cringe-inducing station-changer like pretty much all the bro-country songs are, but I just don't care for it. Still, I am glad to see Jake having success again. Hopefully he redeems himself (again, just my opinion) with a better single next, preferably "Ghost Town".
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Post by Markus Meyer on May 29, 2014 22:44:13 GMT -5
If the next 2 singles are "Ghost Town" and "Life of the Party" I'll be ecstatic. Those two are amazing.
I must say, I'm surprised by how well this is dong. I mean, I thought it would go top 5, but not this fast, nor did I think it would sell as well as it has.
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Post by dm2081 on May 29, 2014 22:54:48 GMT -5
This is #2 on iTunes country now, having surpassed "This Is How We Roll". "Play It Again" remains #1. I just can't get into this one. I loved "Days Of Gold" and I can see why they went with this one, but it's not a favorite of mine. It's not a cringe-inducing station-changer like pretty much all the bro-country songs are, but I just don't care for it. Still, I am glad to see Jake having success again. Hopefully he redeems himself (again, just my opinion) with a better single next, preferably "Ghost Town". Well the good news is that even for those who aren't big fans of this song, this song has done very well, and will prevent any more loss of momentum at radio from "Days of Gold" struggling. In fact, it looks like it should keep his momentum from the Barefoot Blue Jean Night album continuing again. This song is his fastest charting song yet, so hopefully he can keep up the more brisk pace and get his singles to peak sooner. I too am looking forward to "Ghost Town" being on the radio soon.
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Post by tim on May 29, 2014 22:56:35 GMT -5
^I hope I'm not the only one on here who isn't a fan of "Ghost Town." I've listened to it many times over and am just not hearing what everyone else is I guess. I found the Days of Gold album to be one of the biggest disappointments of the year as I was really looking forward to hearing some good stuff from him this year.
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Post by layne on May 29, 2014 23:19:33 GMT -5
^I hope I'm not the only one on here who isn't a fan of "Ghost Town." I've listened to it many times over and am just not hearing what everyone else is I guess. I found the Days of Gold album to be one of the biggest disappointments of the year as I was really looking forward to hearing some good stuff from him this year. You aren't alone. I don't hear anything in Ghost Town that makes me think it will be a big time hit. I'm sure if so many people think so, it will be but I just don't hear it. I agree also that the Album is a disappointment when I compare it to his last Album.
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