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Post by bamafan2102 on Aug 17, 2005 2:51:06 GMT -5
Looks like I was wrong about Van Zant. It has had a healthy bullet all week and is still going stong. This won't make it to #1 will it? Everthing is slowing down. Faith is negative again and B&D have only a +100 or so bullet along with Brad. It might get interesting within the next couple of weeks.
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Post by kyhomeg on Aug 17, 2005 9:55:07 GMT -5
Actually it looks this morning that the chances of Faith being #1 next week is very much a possibility.
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WhySoSerious?
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Post by WhySoSerious? on Aug 17, 2005 10:07:26 GMT -5
Building chart for the week (airplay from Mon. & Tues.):
1. Faith Hill: 10.987 (-.335)
2. Sugarland: 10.944 (-.916)
3. Toby Keith: 10.912 (-1.519)
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Post by Dustin J. on Aug 17, 2005 12:47:39 GMT -5
I'm anxious to see who goes to #1 AFTER these three fall. Right now it's...
4. Brooks & Dunn - "Play Something Country"
5. Brad Paisley - "Alcohol"
6. Tim McGraw - "Do You Want Fries With That"
7. Sara Evans - "Real Fine Place To Start"
8. Van Zant - "Help Somebody"
Right now, Van Zant is gaining the most spins, but "Help Somebody" (along with "Alcohol") also has one of the highest percentages of "burn" on Rate The Music. In most of RTM's audiences, "Play Something Country" and "Do You Want Fries With That" aren't even listed in the top 15. Throw into this mix that Gretchen's new single is (unfortunately) storming up the charts.
Should be interesting the next 3 or 4 weeks.
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Post by kyhomeg on Aug 17, 2005 14:06:25 GMT -5
What do you mean by "Burn". Is that a good thing to have high percentages. Is it bad to be not even in the top 15 on the burn list.
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Post by musicfan_84 on Aug 17, 2005 14:18:18 GMT -5
"Burn" meaning people getting burned out on the song... starting to hear it too much and getting sick of it... I'm pretty sure that's what it means anyway. So I would guess it would be good to not be high on that list... someone correct me if I'm completely wrong on all this :)
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Post by magnum on Aug 17, 2005 20:05:32 GMT -5
on Rate The Music. In most of RTM's audiences, "Play Something Country" and "Do You Want Fries With That" aren't even listed in the top 15. Throw into this mix that Gretchen's new single is (unfortunately) storming up the charts. DJ Are there more than one "Rate the Music" trackers?? The ratethemusic.com/index.cgi/rtm?email=&raterid=&chart=7 site has it floating between #5 and #6 for the past couple of weeks. The www.allaccess.com/members/country/bullsi/index.asp has it at #4 right now for the 25-54 group And Callout had this to say 8/12 BROOKS & DUNN “PLAY SOMETHING COUNTRY” (Arista) B&D move strong inside the top ten to the # 6 song overall from # 10 last week .. They are the # 3 Like A Lot song UP from # 5.. Solid growth in a tight space.. Negatives at 9% have been declining and produce a 7 to 1 Positive to Negative ratio indicating strength and continued growth.. CORE 35-44s are the strength across all cells .. Males overall rank this song as the # 2 song and the # 2 Passion song .. CORE Males rank this song as the # 1 Passion song.. WOMEN rank B&D as the # 11 song and the # 7 Passion song for the week.. CORE 35-44 Females rank this song as the # 8 song and the # 5 Passion song.. B&D is strong and will just get stronger.. On another note, must be great for the Arista and frustrating at the same time to have so many of their artists in the Top 10 - Brad, Sara and B&D. How do they decide who to push? |
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Post by WhySoSerious? on Aug 18, 2005 8:24:30 GMT -5
Building chart through Wednesday:
1. Faith Hill: 16.491 (-.347)
2. Sugarland: 16.352 (-1.428)
3. Toby Keith: 16.134 (-1.858)
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Post by kyhomeg on Aug 18, 2005 8:56:50 GMT -5
So what do you mean by building chart? Does that mean if the chart week ended right now Faith would be #1 based on what you posted.
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Post by drock89 on Aug 18, 2005 10:49:59 GMT -5
Yep.
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Post by northerncountry on Aug 19, 2005 8:48:35 GMT -5
Building chart through Wednesday: 1. Faith Hill: 16.491 (-.347) 2. Sugarland: 16.352 (-1.428) 3. Toby Keith: 16.134 (-1.858) Haven't seen this info before, and the thing that I find interesting based on these numbers, is that songs must lose a great deal of audience over the weekend. If you just take these numbers and divide them by 3 to get an average daily total, and then multiply them by 7 to get the weekly total, the totals for all of these songs are greater than their audience number on last week's BB chart - yet we can see by the weekly change figures that they are all losing audience. So the audience daily totals on the weekend must be less than the weekday audience numbers. I wouldn't have expected that. Thanks for supplying the info. I like this way of reporting better than the MB method where you always get a 7-day total. |
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Post by kyhomeg on Aug 19, 2005 8:58:27 GMT -5
So is it looking like Faith might make #1 on next's week's chart. I think this might be her last chance and Sugarland's
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Post by WhySoSerious? on Aug 19, 2005 10:48:28 GMT -5
Building chart through Thursday:
1. Faith Hill: 22.018 (-.358)
2. Sugarland: 21.715 (-1.796)
3. Toby Keith: 21.384 (-2.332)
Looking more and more likely that Faith will be #1.
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Post by drock89 on Aug 19, 2005 10:57:31 GMT -5
Building chart through Thursday: 1. Faith Hill: 22.018 (-.358) 2. Sugarland: 21.715 (-1.796) 3. Toby Keith: 21.384 (-2.332) Looking more and more likely that Faith will be #1. Until Luke kicks in some more for Sugarland ;) |
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Post by mbgriffith1 on Aug 19, 2005 11:03:54 GMT -5
Because we all know that anytime a song does well, it MUST be Payola. You're obnoxious. Of all the recent success stories in country music, Sugarland's is one of the most genuine and exciting. PLEASE stop trying to discredit them; it really is sickening. Get a life.
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Post by drock89 on Aug 19, 2005 11:35:48 GMT -5
I'm not the only one that thinks it, and if you were a chart guru, you would know that about 3 weeks ago, the song looked to have peaked. And then, what's this? The song started to fly. Passed Faith, separated itself. And with Lewis' history....
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Post by northerncountry on Aug 19, 2005 12:01:32 GMT -5
I'm not the only one that thinks it, and if you were a chart guru, you would know that about 3 weeks ago, the song looked to have peaked. And then, what's this? The song started to fly. Passed Faith, separated itself. And with Lewis' history.... I know there have been instances in the past where songs have gotten to #1 from overnight spins, but I can't really see where you have a case with this song. The last 7 weeks on the BB chart looked like this: 7/16 issue date - moved from #4 to #3 - gained 1.626 million (14th week on chart) 7/23 - stayed at #3 - gained 0.6 million (15th week) 7/30 - stayed at #3 - gained 0.392 million (16th week) 8/6 - moved from #3 to #2 - gained 0.979 million (17th week) 8/13 - stayed at #2 - gained 0.723 million (18th week) 8/20 - stayed at #2 - gained 0.875 million (19th week) 8/27 - stayed at #2 - lost 0.946 million (20th week) So in the 2 weeks it stayed at #3, the audience gain had decreased, but the song was still gaining. Then it had 3 weeks in a row where the numbers were good again (but not as good as they were when the song was rising). If you were referring to the 8/6 week, I could see it if they weren't able to maintain the gain, but they did gain almost as much the following 2 weeks. Plus, on 8/6, they were still more than 4.5 million behind Toby Keith, so they knew they wouldn't have a chance to getting to #1 back then. Now, the song seems to have peaked out and it is losing audience again this week. It seems to be a somewhat normal rise and then fall for a song that made it to #2. I think the fact that radio is playing this song has more to do with the success of the first song then with any form of payola. I'm not ignorant on what has happened with previous songs, but I don't think your argument works for this song. Just an opinion of a chart guru.... |
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Post by drock89 on Aug 19, 2005 12:15:18 GMT -5
I didn't look at Billboard. I was refering to Mediabase. I don't remember the week either, but had anyone asked me, I would have said the song was over, and I've been watching these stupid things for 2 1/2 years.
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Post by northerncountry on Aug 19, 2005 12:36:49 GMT -5
I didn't look at Billboard. I was refering to Mediabase. I don't remember the week either, but had anyone asked me, I would have said the song was over, and I've been watching these stupid things for 2 1/2 years. I just used the BB numbers because they were close by. The MB numbers were also similar. I actually do remember the posts a few weeks back when the Sugarland issue came up and I could see where they did start moving up more than they had been. But at the time, it was noted that you can tell the "payola" songs because they have a quick rise week and then fall dramatically the next week. I just wanted to point out that Sugarland's song was able to maintain the gains over a period of three weeks, so it didn't really fit the pattern of the other songs that did show that pattern. I do think, with the change to audience numbers on BB, that the days of buying a #1 hit are over. I'm not saying it can't be done, but you will need to get spins during the peak periods instead of just overnight. |
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Post by kyhomeg on Aug 19, 2005 12:38:25 GMT -5
Congrats to Sugarland they are very talented and they have been one of the bright spots in country music this year. Their album sales tell their success story and the longevity of Baby Doll with the sales tell the real story not some payoff thng like some would make you believe.
They are succeding because they have a unique sound that is different, great music and giving the people something they like.
Still hope Faith though can hold on to #1 for next week.
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Post by drock89 on Aug 19, 2005 12:51:21 GMT -5
Yes, there album is great. And if it was payola, it didn't last very long. But, if you think about it, all the payola acts that have been publicized, save Gretchen, are under UMG. Congrats to whoever gets #1 next week.
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Post by musicbuff78 on Aug 19, 2005 18:27:18 GMT -5
Congrats to Sugarland they are very talented and they have been one of the bright spots in country music this year. Their album sales tell their success story and the longevity of Baby Doll with the sales tell the real story not some payoff thng like some would make you believe. They are succeding because they have a unique sound that is different, great music and giving the people something they like. Still hope Faith though can hold on to #1 for next week. It's actually Baby Girl. Also, Faith has never been ahead of Sugarland on a published chart. |
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Post by Dustin J. on Aug 19, 2005 22:30:51 GMT -5
Faith has never been ahead of Sugarland on a published chart. Actually, she's ahead of them on the R&R charts. |
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Post by drock89 on Aug 19, 2005 22:49:25 GMT -5
Faith has never been ahead of Sugarland on a published chart. Actually, she's ahead of them on the R&R charts. And she was once 3 weeks ago. |
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Post by musicbuff78 on Aug 19, 2005 23:07:14 GMT -5
Yes, on R&R she is, but I pay more attention to Billboard, as it's pretty much the Bible of music.
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Post by Marv on Aug 19, 2005 23:59:41 GMT -5
Actually, R&R is FAR more consistent that BB is; BB has changed their methods so frequently over the past 20+ years it will make your head spin.
In spite of R&Rs asinine recurrent rule, it's still much more consistent than BB is.
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Post by kyhomeg on Aug 20, 2005 1:22:41 GMT -5
Congrats to Sugarland they are very talented and they have been one of the bright spots in country music this year. Their album sales tell their success story and the longevity of Baby Doll with the sales tell the real story not some payoff thng like some would make you believe. They are succeding because they have a unique sound that is different, great music and giving the people something they like. Still hope Faith though can hold on to #1 for next week. It's actually Baby Girl. Also, Faith has never been ahead of Sugarland on a published chart. Steelo I know it is Baby Girl it was just a typing error. I have their album and love their music. As for Billboard, it is the one in the past where payloa was more likely. |
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Post by musicbuff78 on Aug 20, 2005 2:05:11 GMT -5
Once again payola just HAS to be brought up.
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Post by kyhomeg on Aug 20, 2005 4:22:29 GMT -5
I am not suggesting payloa in regards to Sugarland, have no doubt there is NO PAYLOA involved with them. I only brought it up cause you made a reference illboard being the bible
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Post by kyhomeg on Aug 21, 2005 2:47:16 GMT -5
Any recent numbers, do we know who will be #1 yet.
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