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Post by popbox on Oct 21, 2014 16:25:33 GMT -5
Didn't feel like embedding all 4 tweets bc lazy. Gotta love the power of screenshots! ETA: Just listened to WTNY in full. Sonically, it's great. Lyrically, it's irksome. Least favorite of the 3 we've heard thus far. "Out of the Woods" is still in a league of its own. Well we already know he's lying/exaggerating a little since Out of the Woods and Welcome to New York would never be big hits (initial iTunes sales don't count, absolutely any promo single she puts on iTunes will sell huge at first).
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Post by tsr on Oct 21, 2014 16:28:44 GMT -5
Didn't feel like embedding all 4 tweets bc lazy. Gotta love the power of screenshots! ETA: Just listened to WTNY in full. Sonically, it's great. Lyrically, it's irksome. Least favorite of the 3 we've heard thus far. "Out of the Woods" is still in a league of its own. Well we already know he's lying/exaggerating a little since Out of the Woods and Welcome to New York would never be big hits (initial iTunes sales don't count, absolutely any promo single she puts on iTunes will sell huge at first). "Out of the Woods" would definitely be a big hit.
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Post by McCreerian (Harris 2024!) on Oct 21, 2014 16:36:51 GMT -5
"Out of the Woods" would never be a hit? In what Country? Certainly not this one! That song would fly to #1 on the Top 40 Airplay charts and Hot 100 if ever officially made a single!
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Oct 21, 2014 17:18:35 GMT -5
Yeah, "Out Of The Woods" is definitely a blockbuster single. Also, longevity of these pre-release tracks are certainly an indicator of potential single success (look no further than "I Knew You Were Trouble" for evidence of that), and "Out Of The Woods is holding up very well.
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Post by countrygirl918 on Oct 21, 2014 18:41:04 GMT -5
I have to say I'm really disappointed in "Out of the Woods" and "Welcome to New York," and it's making me really worried for the rest of the album. It's not anything sonically that's bothering me, it's the lyrics. Taylor can do better than this - she's proven that in the past. Some of the verses in these songs are great, but the repetitive choruses are so lacking in personality and the lyrical creativity that made Taylor so special in the first place. I feel like the songs we've heard so far from '1989' are all lacking that certain spark that always made Taylor so unique, and IMO it all comes down to the somewhat generic lyrics.
Still, for me there's always a few clunkers on Taylor's album, so I'm hoping these ones are just that for me. I'm still hoping for songs with more fleshed out lyrics - more story songs. That's where, for me, Taylor has always shined.
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Post by slayZ on Oct 21, 2014 19:39:37 GMT -5
I don't think OTTW would make a good single. It's an amazing album track, but it doesn't work on radio IMO. It wouldn't completely bomb, but certainly there are bigger hard hitting smashes on the record.
WTNY would not work either.
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Oct 21, 2014 19:47:57 GMT -5
I don't think OTTW would make a good single. It's an amazing album track, but it doesn't work on radio IMO. It wouldn't completely bomb, but certainly there are bigger hard hitting smashes on the record. WTNY would not work either. Reeeeeeeeally? I think "Out Of The Woods" would make a great single and the fact that it's holding up well digitally attests to that. People are receptive and responding well to the song. Just one instance, for example, shows a Billboard poll where people prefered "Out Of The Woods" to "Shake It Off" (which was obviously hugely successful): polldaddy.com/poll/8376613/
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Post by slayZ on Oct 21, 2014 20:03:23 GMT -5
I don't think OTTW would make a good single. It's an amazing album track, but it doesn't work on radio IMO. It wouldn't completely bomb, but certainly there are bigger hard hitting smashes on the record. WTNY would not work either. Reeeeeeeeally? I think "Out Of The Woods" would make a great single and the fact that it's holding up well digitally attests to that. People are receptive and responding well to the song. Just one instance, for example, shows a Billboard poll where people prefered "Out Of The Woods" to "Shake It Off" (which was obviously hugely successful): polldaddy.com/poll/8376613/Well between SIO and OOTW, OOTW is obviously the superior track in terms of quality. I prefer it to SIO too, but I can see why SIO was released instead of OOTW. Maybe as a fifth single, or fourth. She needs hard-hitting material right now, and I don't consider OOTW to be radio bait. Not to say that it's a weak or bad track, it's just not what I'd release after the massive success of SIO.
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Post by nightshade on Oct 21, 2014 20:04:48 GMT -5
OOTW would be huge. For some reason, it just gives me TEOG teas...but I think it'd be a bit more successful.
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Oct 21, 2014 20:11:19 GMT -5
Reeeeeeeeally? I think "Out Of The Woods" would make a great single and the fact that it's holding up well digitally attests to that. People are receptive and responding well to the song. Just one instance, for example, shows a Billboard poll where people prefered "Out Of The Woods" to "Shake It Off" (which was obviously hugely successful): polldaddy.com/poll/8376613/Well between SIO and OOTW, OOTW is obviously the superior track in terms of quality. I prefer it to SIO too, but I can see why SIO was released instead of OOTW. Maybe as a fifth single, or fourth. She needs hard-hitting material right now, and I don't consider OOTW to be radio bait. Not to say that it's a weak or bad track, it's just not what I'd release after the massive success of SIO. I assure you "Out Of The Woods" WILL be a success (cause I definitely think they WILL release it). It is catchy (the chorus, however repetitive DOES get stuck in your head) and most important, relatable (who hasn't felt the feeling of not having total security in a relationship?). It is literally like a radio-friendly "All Too Well". Not sure why you think it would fail....
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Post by slayZ on Oct 21, 2014 20:35:14 GMT -5
I never said it would fail, I think there are probably bigger songs on the album and that this would make for a cute 4th or 5th single. Which I mean, I don't know why it's so hard to believe. We haven't heard the album yet. I don't think OOTW is the best it has to offer, and according to the people who went to the listening sessions, it's not even one of the best tracks.
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Post by Clauss on Oct 21, 2014 20:57:25 GMT -5
My people, listen to a clip of Style.. Oghs Taylor, i loved the "Take Me Home" reference... :kii:
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Oct 21, 2014 21:08:59 GMT -5
I never said it would fail, I think there are probably bigger songs on the album and that this would make for a cute 4th or 5th single. Which I mean, I don't know why it's so hard to believe. We haven't heard the album yet. I don't think OOTW is the best it has to offer, and according to the people who went to the listening sessions, it's not even one of the best tracks. The pre-release tracks are meant to show people what Taylor and her label believe will drive people to buy the album (aka: what they believe to be the highlights). In conclusion: Taylor and her label must think highly of "Out Of The Woods". Why would they choose what they thought to be the "weaker" tracks to represent the album?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2014 21:12:29 GMT -5
My people, listen to a clip of Style.. Oghs Taylor, i loved the "Take Me Home" reference... :kii:
And slayZ thought it wouldn't be about Harry. :kii:
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Post by Joe1240 on Oct 21, 2014 21:27:33 GMT -5
Why Taylor Swift Would Never ‘Pull a Beyonce’ with an AlbumBy Jason Lipshutz, New York | October 21, 2014 1:21 PM EDT Waiting for Taylor to release an out-of-nowhere album someday? Keep waiting. When Beyonce surprise-released her self-titled fifth album exclusively on iTunes last December, the sneak-attack tactic left the industry with a lot of questions once the dust settled. The strategy was undeniably successful — Beyonce moved 617,000 copies in three days, and outsold Bey’s previous album, 4, in just four weeks — despite the lack of a preceding single, announced release date or physical retail involvement. Many wondered whether this was the new norm: who was the next artist to “pull a Beyonce” and find a similar amount of success? n the 10 months that have followed, artists like U2, Thom Yorke, Skrillex and Kid Cudi have attempted to duplicate the thrill of an out-of-nowhere album release in various forms and fashions. Taylor Swift, who releases 1989 next week, has not. That is not Taylor Swift’s style. When Beyonce was released, it was revealed that the album's secret drop date was finalized with just a week to spare, and that "Blow" was settled on as the first single to impact Top 40 radio... until "Drunk In Love" took off, of course. By comparison, the rollout of Swift’s fifth studio album has been highly manicured and perfectly calibrated, like all of her prior album rollouts. It has hummed along over the past two months with unstoppable efficiency and borderline megalomania, nary an altered course in sight. We are in the middle of Swiftober, and so far, Q4 of 2014 has felt like the Q4 of 1989. Was Beyonce's album release a bold, groundbreaking display of pop music muscle? Absolutely. Does Swift have the sales history and fan support to also drop an album out of thin air and spin it into a blockbuster? Sure she does. But every indication shows that that’s never going to happen. Since Swift shared that she would be revealing something during a Yahoo! live stream taking place on August 18, every aspect of the 1989 era has been presented as a must-see event announced ahead of time. During the live stream, Swift shared her pristine new pop single “Shake It Off,” its Mark Romanek-directed music video, the title and artwork of her album, the Oct. 27 release date of her album, and the fact that it would be her “first documented, official pop album.” The explosion of information effectively turned August 18 into Taylor Swift Day, and the buzz translated to radio, where “Shake It Off” set a record for the highest debut in the history of Billboard’s Adult Pop Songs radio airplay chart. With an immediate radio push and music video streams combining with robust digital sales, “Shake It Off” debuted at No. 1 on the Hot 100 chart, just the 22nd song in the chart’s history to debut at the top. Swift Season was in full effect within a week of the song’s debut — which, oh right, also included the live debut of “Shake It Off” during the MTV Video Music Awards. The launch of “Shake It Off” was immaculately conceived, and while the song simmered at radio, Swift kept the promotion (and headlines) coming. In a Rolling Stone cover story, she dished that her new song “Bad Blood” was about another female celebrity with whom she was now “straight-up enemies,” stoking speculation that has since landed squarely on Katy Perry. Swift then used the Internet as a promotional playground: she posted cat photos, covered Vance Joy’s “Riptide,” Instragrammed new lyrics and started a Tumblr. And just when “Shake It Off” started to wear out its welcome a teensy bit (the song is still atop the Radio Songs chart, although its digital sales have understandably dipped below 200,000 downloads per week after two months of release), Swift dropped another synth-pop missile on the world at large with the Jack Antonoff-assisted non-single “Out Of The Woods” last week. Rumors that the song was about Harry Styles started swirling, and when they died down, Swift unleashed another track for mass consumption, “Welcome To New York,” on Monday night (Oct. 20). None of this — lead single, teaser tracks, social outreach — is groundbreaking stuff for a major-label artist. Yet this is what Swift does with every album, and she does it better than anyone. Her three most recent projects (2010’s Speak Now, 2012’s Red and this year’s 1989) have each had their lead singles drop in August ahead of their October release dates, maximizing Swift’s fourth-quarter dominance every other year. Because each of these albums are released shortly after their respective year’s late-September Grammy deadline, Swift can ride out a year-and-a-half-long campaign that, in the case of Red and possibly in the case of 1989, ends with an album of the year nomination. That's right, 1989 would be competing at the Grammys in February 2016! And then, six months after the Grammys, the cycle can start anew! It’s a calculated, well-oiled strategy — there’s a reason her record label is called Big Machine — and it has made Swift the most successful albums artist of the 2010s so far, selling over 22 million albums, according to Nielsen SoundScan. And that’s one of the reasons why Swift is not going to “pull a Beyonce”: she relies on physical sales. As Billboard’s Keith Caulfield pointed out in August, 71 percent of Red’s 4 million units sold were physical copies, and along with big-box retailers, the full-length was sold at Papa John’s Pizza, Starbucks and Walgreens. Whereas Beyonce scorned physical retailers in the short-term by making her album exclusive to iTunes, Swift has once again partnered with Target for 1989, giving the U.S. deluxe edition exclusively to the retailer. And for those who think that Swift could “pull a U2” and work with a company like Apple to make her album free to users for a limited period of time, that’s not going to happen, either. “In recent years, you've probably read the articles about major recording artists who have decided to practically give their music away, for this promotion or that exclusive deal,” Swift wrote in her Wall Street Journal op-ed earlier this year. “My hope for the future, not just in the music industry, but in every young girl I meet…is that they all realize their worth and ask for it.” So Taylor Swift is the breathing argument for traditional album releases, and even if more major artists start “pulling a Beyonce,” don’t hold your breath for Swift to do the same. Don’t want to release your music on BitTorrent? That’s okay, because Taylor didn’t, and she doesn’t have to. Now I’m going to step away before Kanye West interrupts my typing and tells me that Beyonce had the greatest album release of all time. www.billboard.com/articles/columns/pop-shop/6289287/taylor-swift-would-never-pull-a-beyonce?facebook_20141021
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Post by Taylor. on Oct 21, 2014 21:42:55 GMT -5
HQ version of the Style clip:
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Post by Gray. on Oct 21, 2014 22:02:59 GMT -5
"Welcome to New York" is lame, but "Out of the Woods" is absolutely phenomenal. Regardless of what else is on the album, I want that to be a single.
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Post by slayZ on Oct 21, 2014 22:52:45 GMT -5
I never said it would fail, I think there are probably bigger songs on the album and that this would make for a cute 4th or 5th single. Which I mean, I don't know why it's so hard to believe. We haven't heard the album yet. I don't think OOTW is the best it has to offer, and according to the people who went to the listening sessions, it's not even one of the best tracks. The pre-release tracks are meant to show people what Taylor and her label believe will drive people to buy the album (aka: what they believe to be the highlights). In conclusion: Taylor and her label must think highly of "Out Of The Woods". Why would they choose what they thought to be the "weaker" tracks to represent the album? Lol so you think Welcome To New York will be a highlight? Sis.
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Post by 14887fan on Oct 21, 2014 22:59:28 GMT -5
"Style" sounds like a perfect pop release for the summer. Just has that feel to it.
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Post by kanimal on Oct 21, 2014 23:00:28 GMT -5
I have to say I'm really disappointed in "Out of the Woods" and "Welcome to New York," and it's making me really worried for the rest of the album. It's not anything sonically that's bothering me, it's the lyrics. Taylor can do better than this - she's proven that in the past. Some of the verses in these songs are great, but the repetitive choruses are so lacking in personality and the lyrical creativity that made Taylor so special in the first place. I feel like the songs we've heard so far from '1989' are all lacking that certain spark that always made Taylor so unique, and IMO it all comes down to the somewhat generic lyrics. Still, for me there's always a few clunkers on Taylor's album, so I'm hoping these ones are just that for me. I'm still hoping for songs with more fleshed out lyrics - more story songs. That's where, for me, Taylor has always shined. I don't agree with you on Out of the Woods...the lyrics feel as "Taylor" as it gets. But I do agree with you on Welcome to New York. I also share your concern when it comes to looking at the lyrics she's posting on Instagram. (The "Style" clip sounds good, however). Not one seems personal. Everything seems like a nice, pretty, poetic--but ultimately generic--sentiment. When I listen to a Taylor Swift album, I want anecdotes. I want specific descriptions of things that she sees and feels. I don't want bland pop sentiments. Whether it's a song as simple as "Our Song" or "Stay Beautiful" or something as broad and "huge" as "Enchanted" and "All Too Well," Taylor has always sucked you into *her* stories. She was describing things and saying things that only she could say. Anyone could write the lines that are appearing on her Instagram. That's why I hate that she moved away from writing about boyfriends. It's not that I need to hear the same old story about how some guy wronged her, but at least those stories were personal.
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Post by bigb0882 on Oct 21, 2014 23:03:12 GMT -5
Welcome to NY is pretty darn good but Out of the Woods is just flawless. Sure, the chorus is repetitive but that's not always a bad thing and lately that translates to radio bait. It also makes it easy to get stuck in your head. It sounds like something that could have been on Haim's album and I love that.
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Post by surfy on Oct 21, 2014 23:07:24 GMT -5
I think she's releasing the songs that sound solid without giving away the masterpieces of the album! I'm sure there will be much stronger material than "Welcome to New York", which I've grown to love! So, I definitely am excited for the release!!! <3
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Post by kanimal on Oct 21, 2014 23:08:57 GMT -5
Welcome to NY is pretty darn good but Out of the Woods is just flawless. Sure, the chorus is repetitive but that's not always a bad thing and lately that translates to radio bait. It also makes it easy to get stuck in your head. It sounds like something that could have been on Haim's album and I love that. Don't understand why that's a criticism anyway. It's a stylistic choice. And it's sort of worked out throughout history. Let it Be, anyone?
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Post by 14887fan on Oct 21, 2014 23:14:40 GMT -5
Welcome to NY is pretty darn good but Out of the Woods is just flawless. Sure, the chorus is repetitive but that's not always a bad thing and lately that translates to radio bait. It also makes it easy to get stuck in your head. It sounds like something that could have been on Haim's album and I love that. Don't understand why that's a criticism anyway. It's a stylistic choice. And it's sort of worked out throughout history. Let it Be, anyone? I think the repetitiveness has become a concern of many as we've been getting these singles because they're all individually repetitive. "Style"'s 30 sec. clip and the clip from the Diet Coke commercial has left me comforted, though. If we didn't have those, though, then I'd be in the camp of thinking the vast majority of the album included each song having repetitiveness the way the first 3 singles do.
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Oct 21, 2014 23:20:29 GMT -5
The pre-release tracks are meant to show people what Taylor and her label believe will drive people to buy the album (aka: what they believe to be the highlights). In conclusion: Taylor and her label must think highly of "Out Of The Woods". Why would they choose what they thought to be the "weaker" tracks to represent the album? Lol so you think Welcome To New York will be a highlight? Sis. Did I say I would? No. I said her and her label thought it was. Why send out the worst prior to releasing the album? Exactly. In their minds it was one of the best in some respect.
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Post by countrygirl918 on Oct 22, 2014 0:03:08 GMT -5
Welcome to NY is pretty darn good but Out of the Woods is just flawless. Sure, the chorus is repetitive but that's not always a bad thing and lately that translates to radio bait. It also makes it easy to get stuck in your head. It sounds like something that could have been on Haim's album and I love that. Don't understand why that's a criticism anyway.It's a stylistic choice. And it's sort of worked out throughout history. Let it Be, anyone? Some people don't like repetitiveness, some people do. Those that don't like it will criticize it, those that do, won't. It works on many songs. There are many artists whose lyrics I don't really care about, but with Taylor her lyrics have always been her strongest talent IMO. For me, the repetitiveness on these songs slightly bothers/worries me because I feel with her lyrical talent it could have been better. I prefer her songs that are more detailed and creative lyrically, and I hope there are other songs that showcase that sort of thing better. Like I said, though, I'm holding out hope for better material on the rest of the album. And I'm willing to give OOTW another chance, since so many seem to love it. I disliked it, but I only listened to it twice so maybe it will grow on me. I wasn't sure about SIO at first, but it grew on me (though I still think it's lyrically weak, especially by Taylor's standards). I'm trying to have an open mind about this album, but I can't help but have a few reservations based on what I've heard so far. It's just my own personal music taste.
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Post by desertfloods on Oct 22, 2014 1:52:21 GMT -5
Don't understand why that's a criticism anyway.It's a stylistic choice. And it's sort of worked out throughout history. Let it Be, anyone? Some people don't like repetitiveness, some people do. Those that don't like it will criticize it, those that do, won't. It works on many songs. There are many artists whose lyrics I don't really care about, but with Taylor her lyrics have always been her strongest talent IMO. For me, the repetitiveness on these songs slightly bothers/worries me because I feel with her lyrical talent it could have been better. I prefer her songs that are more detailed and creative lyrically, and I hope there are other songs that showcase that sort of thing better. Like I said, though, I'm holding out hope for better material on the rest of the album. And I'm willing to give OOTW another chance, since so many seem to love it. I disliked it, but I only listened to it twice so maybe it will grow on me. I wasn't sure about SIO at first, but it grew on me (though I still think it's lyrically weak, especially by Taylor's standards). I'm trying to have an open mind about this album, but I can't help but have a few reservations based on what I've heard so far. It's just my own personal music taste. That's how I feel as well. I may not own every single Taylor album, but I do have many songs I love from her all these years. Tim McGraw, Our Song, Breathe, White Horse, Fifteen, Last Kiss, Never Grow Up, All Too Well, Safe & Sound etc. They were all fantastic. Even though some may have felt some songs on Fearless were a little immature, but I adore that album because the lyrics and stories in the songs were so detailed, and so specific to her. I don't mind repetitive lyrics in WANEGBT. In my opinion, they work there.
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Post by popbox on Oct 22, 2014 1:56:00 GMT -5
Wow, some of you really are letting your love for OOTW cloud your judgment. I didn't say it was a bad song, but it would never make a good single. For starters CHR would pretty much just be like "no" when it came to that song.
But I know it's impossible to convince Swifties that every song she puts out isn't a smash until it isn't. Look no further than 22 for that. That was supposed to be a multi week #1 mega smash according to a lot of her fans.
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Post by theflying on Oct 22, 2014 2:29:10 GMT -5
I don't care what anyone says, 22 is excellent, and the writing is absolute fantastic (for a pop song). I think it's everything Taylor excels at and it should be a model for what Taylor is aiming for in 1989, lyrically.
I've always thought it manages to be really descriptive, so completely "her", and deceptively clever, while not being one hint of country.
"We're happy, free, confused, and lonely at the same time / It's miserable and magical, oh yeah" is such excellent writing. And it's totally pop. And it's not in the least generic.
"It feels like a perfect night, for breakfast at midnight. To fall in love with strangers." It's so excellent, so specific, we all know it.
22 may have not been a number 1 smash, and I hate that the touch of cheesy immaturity turns some people off subtly.
But to me, that whole song, the structure, the writing, it's perfection. It shows that Taylor can incorporate everything we love about her into a pure pop song. So I hope 1989 delivers.
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Post by Active Aggressive on Oct 22, 2014 5:04:50 GMT -5
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