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Post by Daryl the Beryl on Jul 12, 2015 4:05:48 GMT -5
Yet another ridiculous Mediabase push for #1. It seems that labels are now less interested on Billboard's chart, and as jhomes87 mentioned, the mongrel Hot Country Songs chart had a role to play in this. Mercury should have let Jason get the Billboard and Mediabase #1 next week, then push for the #1 (for both charts) on the following week. But then again, this has already spent 48 weeks on the chart...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2015 5:12:00 GMT -5
Here are the final numbers for LLYT on the Mediabase Published Chart each day this week:
Sunday, 7/5: 1012 spins Monday, 7/6: 1144 spins Tuesday, 7/7: 1172 spins Wednesday, 7/8: 1250 spins Thursday, 7/9: 1203 spins Friday, 7/10: 1258 spins Saturday, 7/11: 1215 spins
Since Canaan averaged about 1180 spins a day this week, and he only got 1012 spins last Sunday, by far the lowest number of the past seven days, I'd say that unless Mercury pulls this record today and doesn't even try for a Billboard #1, there's a good chance Canaan could post a decent spin gain tomorrow morning. The only question is how much syndicated live programming can a label work on a Sunday? Canaan would probably need a pretty healthy audience gain to catch Jason on Billboard. Since the audience gap between Canaan and Jason is still about a million impressions on Mediabase, and we know from past #1 pushes that songs tend not to gain nearly as much on a Monday morning update as they had the previous days of the week, I'm predicting that Canaan will come up short of the Billboard #1 by a relatively small margin.
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Post by jrb56 on Jul 12, 2015 6:56:26 GMT -5
When the multi- source chart became Billboards "primary" chart for the Rock, R&B and Country genres streaming had become a major way fans of the R&B and Rock fans "consumed" their music and needed to be taken into account when judging the popularity of songs in those genres. Streaming wasn't then and still isn't a major influence in country as there will be be 3 year old songs show up in the top ten on the country streaming chart. With Country I believe Billboard was reacting to this type of manufactured chart run to #1, no long running #1s and songs becoming #1 on radio with low sales for both the single and the album it was from. The Hot Country chart obviously has major flaws since a song not charting at all on country radio or a non- country remix can chart. But at this point is either Country AirPlay chart more a judge of a song's popularity with country fans then the Hot country Songs chart is?
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Post by Daryl the Beryl on Jul 12, 2015 21:01:01 GMT -5
"Stuck" for second single please, otherwise "Bronco"
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Jul 12, 2015 23:23:13 GMT -5
As for the album sales, I just don't see how a poor album turnout reflects poorly on a single if it's still doing great on iTunes. What radio stations are playing is "Love You Like That," not "Canaan Smith" or Bronco. It is really irrelevant to me whether listeners are interested in Canaan Smith as an artist or if they want to buy an album full of his other songs. The sales and research numbers for this individual single reflect that listeners are buying it and want to hear it, and so it deserves to go to #1. This is one of the things I prefer about pop radio over country radio. Airplay on pop radio is not so artist driven. Radio is willing to give every single a fair shake regardless of the status of the artist who releases it, and singles are judged based on their individual merits. There are plenty of one-hit wonders at pop radio who release one single that becomes an instant classic but fail to ever come close to replicating the success of that single. It doesn't matter to pop radio whether an artist has any longevity or a stable base of fans who will continue to buy albums or future singles. If that one song tests or sells well, radio will play it as much as it deserves to be played. Maybe Canaan will be a one-hit wonder and no other single of his will ever catch on, but the numbers for this single suggest it deserves to be a#1 hit, regardless of how listeners feel about the artist's other music. The sales for "Love You Like That" are simply outstanding. This has been in the Top 200 on iTunes ever since it was in the Top 50 on the airplay chart and even after almost a year LLYT is still selling as well as singles by A-list stars. I think you make good points here about the benefits of a format being song-driven versus artist-driven, but I also shudder a bit at the thought of the country radio of the past few years operating in a more song-driven fashion. The combination of more spins to the top songs, the slower moving charts that resulted and a narrow target demographic favoring a very particular style of music resulted in major homogenization of sound and lyric at country radio over the past few years. The few who broke the monotony during that time did so, for the most part, because they had established fanbases that country radio chose not to ignore. Not to say that some of the format's biggest artists didn't coast by conforming to the very style that was working, but a few (like Eric, Carrie and Miranda) didn't, and the fact that they were virtually guaranteed top-20 exposure for whatever singles they released helped them to push through some risky singles. A more song-driven approach would have fostered even more homogenizing pressure, in my view. Now, country radio seems to be opening up somewhat sonically, but there is still a great deal of initial resistance to ballads, as we saw with "Girl Crush" and, to some degree, with "Like a Wrecking Ball." Perhaps that will change with Cam's "Burning House," but my point is that a song-driven approach in a very narrowly bound environment means a self-reinforcing cycle of sameness. You do make a reasonable point about the relevance of album sales versus single sales in determining whether how much of a hit various singles are when radio exposure is more or less equal. But in a broader sense, radio exposure is not equal...Canaan Smith's debut album sold less than 1/4 the quantity that Kacey Musgraves' sophomore album sold in the same week of release, and less than 1/2 the quantity that Chris Stapleton' debut album sold when released a couple of months back. The market of country music fans is much broader than the market that country radio serves, and country radio isn't necessarily looking to serve country music fans. So while your single sales & callout-based defense of "Love You Like That" works in a comparison with Jason Aldean's "Tonight Looks Good on You," it doesn't work as well for me in the broader sense of identifying the universe of hit music. About this week's push, and the one that accompanied "Love Me Like You Mean It"'s ascent to #1, it seems to me that there has to be some kind of coordination with at least some of the radio ownership groups to make sure that the singles in question are in top rotation during the designated week. In other words, this strikes me as something more than a label promo team making handshake deals with individual radio stations. In Kelsea's case, I think the ownership groups bought into the Black River Entertainment-backed narrative about having the first female getting a #1 hit with her debut country single in nine years. There isn't a strong or obvious narrative to support the Canaan push but I suppose the idea that his years of radio touring would pay off may have carried some weight. And I suppose that radio is happy to be able to claim to its audience that it is the business of discovering stars, even if the stars in question are far from stars by the metric of album sales. Anyway, I'll have to look at the kind of support "Love You Like That" received from the various conglomerates to see if there are particular ones that seemed to coordinate spincreases. I do think that these crazy final week gains for long-running singles are likely the new normal, and that peak weeks are becoming at least as much about conglomerates flicking a switch to engineer a #1 than about natural chart runs culminating in a naturally-determined peak.
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Post by Marv on Jul 13, 2015 3:11:34 GMT -5
This is far and away the most hideous oush in the history of Mediabase, and I hope this so-so tune loses at least 3,000 spins next week.
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Post by Libra on Jul 13, 2015 14:22:59 GMT -5
I wonder what it would take for Mediabase to change their methodology? Considering who owns them, and their role in today's radio landscape in general (not just in Country)...I'd say nothing short of divine intervention will do it.
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Jul 13, 2015 14:53:29 GMT -5
most people don't remember what the #1 song was a year ago. Hell, I don't remember this one NOW.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2015 20:13:28 GMT -5
Looks like Canaan pulled through for a Billboard #1. Can't wait to see the numbers. This must have been an unbelievably close race since Jason was #1 on the BDS #1 tracker all week.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2015 20:27:58 GMT -5
Looks like Canaan pulled through for a Billboard #1. Can't wait to see the numbers. This must have been an unbelievably close race since Jason was #1 on the BDS #1 tracker all week. I was afraid of that when I saw today's Mediabase update. Frankly I'm stunned. I can't remember the last time a label pushed for a Billboard #1 as well. For the last few years now, whenever there's a big push, it always ends at midnight Saturday, at the end of the Mediabase tracking week.
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Post by Daryl the Beryl on Jul 13, 2015 20:30:20 GMT -5
What the hell?
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Post by sabre14 on Jul 13, 2015 20:31:52 GMT -5
Wow. If it was humanly possible for me to hate this song and this push anymore than I already did, then it just happened. I've always been a bigger follower of MB but I was hoping against hope Canaan didn't snag both charts. Now all of us get to call his song a #1.
Awful.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2015 22:24:17 GMT -5
Looks like Canaan pulled through for a Billboard #1. Can't wait to see the numbers. This must have been an unbelievably close race since Jason was #1 on the BDS #1 tracker all week. I haven't seen any source yet, but I'm assuming you're going off the BBR ad in the daily Aircheck email. They've got Jason's position listed as #2 for both charts, and they've got Dustin Lynch listed as #12 on both charts. Dustin was #13 on Billboard last week so BBR must have updated that ad. A lot of other labels that frequently place ads in the daily Airchek emails run them on a Tuesday-Monday cycle, but BBR usually updates theirs on Monday already (they must be able to get their ads updated just before the cut-off time, whenever that is). The other ads in today's Aircheck email are the same ones that were there Tuesday-Friday of last week -- none of them were updated today, but again, it does appear that the BBR one was.
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Post by Daryl the Beryl on Jul 13, 2015 22:28:47 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2015 22:34:33 GMT -5
Sure, but anybody can edit Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not an official source. They can link to official sources, but Wikipedia isn't an official source in itself. And in this case, in their claim that Canaan is #1, they have the Billboard website cited as their source. But there's nothing on Billboard's website yet that says this is a #1.
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Post by Kanenrá:ke on Jul 13, 2015 23:50:02 GMT -5
It's offically a #1
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Post by dajross6 on Jul 13, 2015 23:56:55 GMT -5
#1 by 36k AI...pretty tight
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2015 0:09:17 GMT -5
#1 by 36k AI...pretty tight Yep. Maybe just 5 spins (or fewer, depending on the station) would make the difference. I'm glad that a major label didn't ignore Billboard here, but at the same time, I'm angry that this went #1. I can't just assume that this would have gone #1 in a week or two, had Mercury not done the big push. And these pushes are getting worse. I fear that it's like what 43dudleyvillas said -- this was more about the big conglomerates "flipping a switch" and not as much about Mercury getting individual stations to "power it up" this week. Not that Mercury wasn't doing everything that they could on their end, but this was planned weeks in advance I'm sure, and I'm just absolutely disgusted by these arranged and pre-determined charts. And Country Aircheck isn't even bothering to cover up the fact that everybody knew this was going to be #1, before it even hit #1. The first page of tonight's Country Aircheck Weekly issue has a picture of Dierks and his tour-mates pranking Canaan before this song was even an official #1 on Mediabase or Billboard.. A song that's been on the chart for 50 weeks shouldn't just get a sudden "upsurge" in popularity from radio, just because the label wants it to go #1. There is nothing believable about the finish here. A song having its highest bullet and being the greatest gainer a full year after it was released? LYLT increased by 8.4 million (!!!) on Billboard. This is just absolutely disgusting, and I'm not even sure why I bother to watch the charts anymore.
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Post by dajross6 on Jul 14, 2015 0:10:08 GMT -5
When the multi- source chart became Billboards "primary" chart for the Rock, R&B and Country genres streaming had become a major way fans of the R&B and Rock fans "consumed" their music and needed to be taken into account when judging the popularity of songs in those genres. Streaming wasn't then and still isn't a major influence in country as there will be be 3 year old songs show up in the top ten on the country streaming chart. With Country I believe Billboard was reacting to this type of manufactured chart run to #1, no long running #1s and songs becoming #1 on radio with low sales for both the single and the album it was from. The Hot Country chart obviously has major flaws since a song not charting at all on country radio or a non- country remix can chart. But at this point is either Country AirPlay chart more a judge of a song's popularity with country fans then the Hot country Songs chart is? Well, the reason Billboard decided to change the Hot Country Songs chart is that the Hot 100 is perhaps the most recognizable chart in the world and it didn't make sense for each genre's chart to not match this flagship survey. I don't agree with it for obvious reasons... I'm a fan but understand the charts aren't necessarily intended for me. Billboard isn't in the business of making chart decisions based on revolving #1 songs or artificial runs, they are in the business of reporting popularity to labels and music executives. To answer the last part of your post, I actually do believe the new Country Songs chart is a better measure of what is the most popular song in America as it takes into account pop culture. The problem (as you state) is that non country fans are able to influence the chart which pops the country bubble more than other genres. The streaming component you state is a PERFECT example of this. Girl Crush has led the chart for a dozen or so weeks thanks to streaming and sales that most other songs do not generate most weeks. I'd venture to say that a majority of these chart points are not from the normal country fan, which leads to both an accurate comparison of the song to other genres (Hot 100 chart), but a poor representation of the country genre in a bubble. Most weeks the #1 Hot Country Songs chart will be the most popular country song that non-country fans enjoy the most. I'd like my bubble back for what it's worth.
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Post by joey2002 on Jul 14, 2015 1:40:13 GMT -5
A song having its highest bullet and being the greatest gainer a full year after it was released? LYLT increased by 8.4 million (!!!) on Billboard. This is just absolutely disgusting, and I'm not even sure why I bother to watch the charts anymore. It's just really sad. I've been avidly following the country charts for over 15 years, but I'm been becoming less and less interested lately, thanks to ridiculous stunts like this. I know some degree of politics has always been involved, but this just turns the chart into a complete joke, and takes the fun out of being a devout chart-watcher.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jul 14, 2015 1:47:42 GMT -5
And to think, a year ago next week is when this had its adds date at country radio. I'm disappointed this squeaked out a #1 on BB because that's the chart I truly care about, so it's annoying that I can just write this off as a #2 peak. Ugh @ that lame af final push.
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Post by fearlessarrow on Jul 14, 2015 2:53:48 GMT -5
This ACTUALLY hit #1 on Billboard as well!? I like the song enough to not get bothered by the fact that it hit #1, but I don't know how to feel about the fact that this massive push resulted in a Billboard #1.
Anyway, congrats to Canaan for his first #1.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2015 3:01:52 GMT -5
Nope, I was going by the Broken Bow ad in CAW, which said Jason was at #2 on Billboard. I've never seen the ads in the weekly trades have chart information that wasn't up-to-date, so this information confirmed Canaan was #1 on Billboard. Broken Bow has got to be shocked and probably frustrated by how this turned out. I have no doubt Canaan deserved to be #1 and would've gotten his turn atop Billboard Country Airplay this month, but this week clearly belonged to Jason and Universal really snatched it from them. Seems like a clear case of a big corporate label outspending/overpowering a small indie label. I don't think Canaan would've achieved this victory over Jason if the roles were reversed and Universal was pushing Jason with Broken Bow challenging with Canaan's record. We could argue back and forth about whether Canaan would have gotten to #1 eventually and I guess at the end of the day it can be chalked up to opinion/interpretation, but while I get the dissatisfaction with such an unnatural increase in airplay over one week, I think it takes more assumption to say this wouldn't have hit the top than it does to say Canaan would have gotten #1 after Jason. That's just the way the charts work these days. Everyone gets a turn at #1 and if Jason were at #1 on Mediabase tonight then he'd probably already start to lose airplay this week. I'd have been shocked if Canaan didn't find his way to #1 despite being at #4 and climbing steadily with no signs of struggling before this push, so to me it seems that last week radio was just giving Canaan the #1 levels of airplay he'd have achieved eventually anyway. Programmers were probably glad to give this maximum airplay sooner rather than later so they can take it out of rotation this week and power up other songs. If anything is to be criticized here, it's the mechanics of the chart and the revolving door model. On a totally natural chart, this might have fallen short of #1, but so would plenty of other songs that have hit the top this year.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2015 3:46:28 GMT -5
Everyone gets a turn at #1 and if Jason were at #1 on Mediabase tonight then he'd probably already start to lose airplay this week. I'd have been shocked if Canaan didn't find his way to #1 despite being at #4 and climbing steadily with no signs of struggling, so to me it seems radio was just giving Canaan the #1 levels of airplay he'd have achieved eventually anyway last week. Programmers were probably glad to give this maximum airplay sooner rather than later so they can take it out of rotation this week and power up other songs. If anything is to be criticized here, it's the mechanics of the chart and the revolving door model. On a totally natural chart, this might have fallen short of #1, but so would plenty of other songs that have hit the top this year. I agree that the revolving door at the top is annoying, and I agree that most songs that go top 10 and top 5 eventually wind up at #1...but I still don't think we can just assume that this one would have made it to #1. It probably would have, but probably is not 100%. It sounds silly, but we can't know for sure that something will happen until it actually happens. And also, what about the songs that did stall short of #1? Just in the past few years, songs that went top 10 on Billboard but not #1: "Country Girl (Shake It For Me)" "That's My Kind Of Night" "Put You In A Song" "For You" "Cop Car" "Tip It On Back" "Tornado" "Day Drinking" "Radio" "Homegrown Honey" "Creepin'" "Like Jesus Does" "Friday Night" "I Gotta Get To You" "The Breath You Take" "Here For A Good Time" "Love's Gonna Make It Alright" "Give It All We Got Tonight" "Time Is Love" "Beer Money" "Hey Pretty Girl" "Lovin' You Is Fun" "All Over The Road" "Baby Be My Love Song" "Merry Go 'Round" "See You Tonight" "Feelin' It" "Two Black Cadillacs" "See You Again" "Something In The Water" "Little Toy Guns" "Somethin' Bad" "What Do You Want" "You And Tequila" "El Cerrito Place" "Pirate Flag" "Redneck Crazy" "Whiskey In My Water" "Ready, Set, Roll" "Baggage Claim" "Fastest Girl In Town" "Mama's Broken Heart" "Automatic" "I Can Take It From There" "Aw Naw" "Who I Am With You" "Lonely Eyes" "Chillin' It" "(Kissed You) Good Night" "I Want Crazy" "Why Ya Wanna" "Begin Again" "Red" "Better Than I Used To Be" "Truck Yeah" "Southern Girl" "Meanwhile Back At Mama's" "Diamond Rings & Old Barstools" "I Won't Let Go" "Easy" "Come Wake Me Up" "Rewind" "More Than Miles" "Small Town Throwdown" "Point At You" "This Is How We Roll" "You Lie" "Don't Let Me Be Lonely" "Chainsaw" "Wasting All These Tears" "I Keep On Loving You" "Did It For The Girl" "Bleed Red" "Crazy Town" "My Kinda Party" "Tattoos On This Town" "Cowboys And Angels" "I Got You" "Everything I Shouldn't Be Thinking About" "Goodnight Kiss" "Like A Cowboy" "Close Your Eyes" "Keep Them Kisses Comin'" "Take It On Back" "Parking Lot Party" "Drinking Class" "Farmer's Daughter" "Where I Come From" "Look At You" "Red Solo Cup" "Beers Ago" "No Hurry" "Jump Right In" "From A Table Away" That's pretty much all of them since 2010/2011 (I'm sure I missed a few), although I didn't even include artists that no longer have label deals. Admittedly some of those songs got pushes and wound up as Mediabase-only #1's (mostly when the label only focused on MB and not BB), but others got pushed and fell short on both charts, or simply fizzled out and never seriously challenged for the #1 spot. I do think this would have probably gone #1 after Jason, but you can never know that for sure. I know, I know, I'm being nitpicky. But I'm just trying to explain why I'm extremely frustrated with LYLT going #1 (aside from the fact that it put up the most insane "push numbers" I've ever seen. That alone is bad enough).
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Post by trebor on Jul 14, 2015 7:11:16 GMT -5
I'm pretty much appalled at the 8.435M increase in audience impressions in a mere week's frame; plus the 1378 additional plays this garnered. Has such an increase of 21% at the top ever happened before?
Edit: Have noticed the ad in both AirCheck and Billboard Country Update where Canaan presents his appreciation and gratitude for his #1. It's totally cute but somehow it's bitter and repeats sour on me.
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Post by onebuffalo on Jul 14, 2015 17:18:54 GMT -5
That 8.4 million increase in audience must be a record for a #1 song. Is that right?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2015 20:31:42 GMT -5
Ok sorry for bringing this thread up how the hell did Canaan stay if I checked correctly Canaan was #12 in spins last time for this week. Well at least it'll be gone soon enough. Finally!!!!!
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Post by Kanenrá:ke on Jul 27, 2015 20:33:48 GMT -5
He better be gone next week...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2015 20:42:43 GMT -5
LOL. Yeah, this is a major goof on Billboard's part. Canaan finished #10 in audience (1 million ahead of Thomas Rhett), but he finished #12 in spins...400 behind Rhett, and a few dozen behind Chris Janson.
Someone needs to tweet Tom Roland and ask why this didn't go recurrent. If a song falls out of the top 10 in audience OR spins, it goes recurrent. Simple as that.
Billboard should publish a correction...
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Post by sabre14 on Jul 27, 2015 20:48:48 GMT -5
At some point this ceases to be funny anymore. I mean, this is fairly basic stuff and even though they've goofed a few things lately, this one's a big goof.
This song refuses to go away -- it's like a lingering head cold.
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