sabre14
Diamond Member
Vince Gill & the Muppets make everything better
Joined: October 2013
Posts: 26,916
|
Post by sabre14 on Jul 21, 2014 17:59:22 GMT -5
I'd imagine this song has to be going to iTunes tonight. My computer couldn't have crashed at a worser time lol. Question to all y'all chart watchers, have you guys got a prediction on where this will debut on the charts at? Not sure if you guys can make that kind of prediction, but if you can lemme know! It all depends but I would assume a similar debut to FGL's "Dirt", which was also a Tuesday debut. Probably looking at a debut in the 20's on MB.
|
|
carriekins
5x Platinum Member
With my mouth wide open in a whiskey rain, I could stand here 24 hours a day...
Joined: November 2011
Posts: 5,323
|
Post by carriekins on Jul 21, 2014 17:59:42 GMT -5
I'd imagine this song has to be going to iTunes tonight. My computer couldn't have crashed at a worser time lol. Question to all y'all chart watchers, have you guys got a prediction on where this will debut on the charts at? Not sure if you guys can make that kind of prediction, but if you can lemme know! I would expect something perhaps not as high as FGL and 'Dirt' but certainly close to it. I haven't seen confirmation of a CC deal but even without one this song won't need any help. (Also thanks for spelling "y'all" correctly-huge pet peeve! :) )
|
|
Deleted
Joined: January 1970
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2014 18:02:16 GMT -5
I have some thoughts. No, its just that your hyperbole was a little bit much. It's fine to be angry and have an opinion but to say someone's songwriting skills aren't what they should be is clearly narrow-focused. The songs you quote are well-written hits. They may use cliches and such but that's just par for the course for getting hits these days. I know 90% of what writers write is brilliant but not recorded. That's not on them, that's on the LABELS and A&R and Artist Management teams along with the artists themselves. Discussing songwriting, and whether someone's songwriting has gotten better or started slipping, is perfectly acceptable and the "narrow-focused" remark sounds unnecessarily dismissive. Discussions are interesting when specific and "narrow," and not generalized and widespread, because you can use specific examples - and 14887fan has, referencing "Helluva Life" and "Before He Cheats," among others. With this post, I don't mean to talk for 14887fan, but instead provide another interpretation to attempt to relieve some tension here. Sure, those songs were hits, but the "well-written" component is absolutely subjective and one cannot dismiss another's opinion because they disagree. I know you know that, though. When you say "... but that's just par for the course for getting hits," why should that excuse even matter here? 14887fan was not discussing chart statistics, but rather the quality of singles. When I read the post that generated this discussion, I felt that 14887fan was remarking that this songwriter has had better tracks. Nothing more, nothing less. You may feel that the quality has not slipped, but you cannot dismiss 14887fan because they feel differently. The songwriter may have many brilliant ones that have gone unrecorded, but the discussion here was regarding ones that have been cut and, from the cuts, specific examples that show the decline in quality, however subjective that may be. Much more importantly, regarding the "hyperbole" complaints: yeah, everybody has different personalities and members have different posting styles. Members involved here, from what I have seen, have been posting for some time and can probably recognize others' posting styles. I just ask that you let them post the way they want, while following board rules of course, without commenting on the way they post and subtly "suggesting" they conform to others' posting styles. (For the record, rsmatto, you are not the only person this post was meant for. Your post was just the best to respond to because you covered what I wanted to discuss.) ETA: That took far too long, and now the discussion has subsided. Excellent.
|
|
Kentucky25
Platinum Member
Enter your message here...
Joined: January 2014
Posts: 1,287
|
Post by Kentucky25 on Jul 21, 2014 18:12:02 GMT -5
Thanks carriekins and sabre (I'm on my phone and not sure how to tag y'all in this post)...I believe you're right, the promotion for this song hasn't been as large as FGL's and with Garth's single coming out, I imagine their will be a lot of plays Aldean could've got going to him.
Just an aside, does it it bother anyone that Aldean has named his your "Burn it Down" and this song is "Burnin' it Down". For a crazy person like myself it's killing me.
|
|
Markus Meyer
Platinum Member
Favorite Single of 2020 So Far: “betty” by Taylor Swift
Joined: August 2013
Posts: 1,625
|
Post by Markus Meyer on Jul 21, 2014 18:47:38 GMT -5
Boy I how I miss when we were discussing "Burnin It Down" in this thread.... Those were the good ole days weren't they. Anyways, I'm very excited to hear the studio version. I think it sounded decent live but I have no doubt the vocals will be much stronger on the studio version.
|
|
sabre14
Diamond Member
Vince Gill & the Muppets make everything better
Joined: October 2013
Posts: 26,916
|
Post by sabre14 on Jul 21, 2014 21:07:24 GMT -5
According to the Billboard issue tonight, this will in fact be available in less than 2 hours time at midnight on iTunes along with country radio.
Impact date is the 28th though I suspect that's a mood point with the release set for tomorrow.
|
|
tvoss20
Gold Member
Joined: March 2010
Posts: 530
|
Post by tvoss20 on Jul 21, 2014 23:02:23 GMT -5
Oh good, another "country" song with a techno sound! *rolls eyes*
|
|
sabre14
Diamond Member
Vince Gill & the Muppets make everything better
Joined: October 2013
Posts: 26,916
|
Post by sabre14 on Jul 21, 2014 23:04:52 GMT -5
The pop/urban style production is the thing the stuck out the most the first time I heard it on that link and that sentiment holds true listening to it once again. ;)
I will say it's not the generic "Take A Little Ride" or the over produced, loud "She's Country" so I'm happy he didn't go in that direction but this is another song that drifts further away from country elements in terms of instrumentation and production. I don't dislike it though as it's pleasant and Jason's vocals kind of work here. I do suspect this song will be one of Jason's biggest hits with the different feel and production.
|
|
SoMuchToSay
3x Platinum Member
Joined: August 2010
Posts: 3,497
|
Post by SoMuchToSay on Jul 21, 2014 23:16:13 GMT -5
Lookin' for That Girl 2.0. It's not very country sounding at all! I'm kind of disappointed after 1st listen.
|
|
minha2cp
New Member
Joined: December 2013
Posts: 116
|
Post by minha2cp on Jul 21, 2014 23:34:01 GMT -5
|
|
Kentucky25
Platinum Member
Enter your message here...
Joined: January 2014
Posts: 1,287
|
Post by Kentucky25 on Jul 21, 2014 23:40:49 GMT -5
It's not nearly as bad as LFTG though. It's not nearly as auto-toned or whatever it's called. I'm biased cause I love Aldean's voice, but I love it. Has a real laid back style that's just cool. The R&B production is something I doubt he'll keep up, but one song or two an album is more than fine by me.
|
|
zjames
Platinum Member
Joined: June 2013
Posts: 1,926
|
Post by zjames on Jul 21, 2014 23:47:59 GMT -5
I only listened to the iTunes sample, but I can't take anymore. This isn't a country song. I've always been torn with Jason Aldean; he's had a few great singles, but for the most part I find his singles mediocre at best. And this one is the worst he's ever released. The beat would fit perfectly into a Pop/Hip Hop radio playlist. I couldn't find anything sonically that relates this song to country music besides the Jack Daniels reference. Like SoMuchToSay said, it feels similar to "Looking For That Girl" as they both have productions that resemble more of an R&B song than a country song, even though "Burnin' It Down" isn't quite as bad. I'm still optimistic about this album era for Jason Aldean. Luke Bryan has released some solid songs recently with "Roller Coaster" and "Drink A Beer" after "That's My Kind Of Night". Tim McGraw made up for "Looking For That Girl" with "Meanwhile Back At Mama's". FGL expanded their sound with "Dirt" and even though the quality is subjective, it certainly is the most country-sounding single they've released. These recent releases give me hope that Jason has some quality songs up his sleeve. Despite that, it's inevitable that "Burnin' It Down" will become a huge hit (even though I'm hoping for a "Looking For That Girl" situation), and the over-produced hip hop sound will stay prevalent in country music.
|
|
sabre14
Diamond Member
Vince Gill & the Muppets make everything better
Joined: October 2013
Posts: 26,916
|
Post by sabre14 on Jul 21, 2014 23:53:41 GMT -5
The beat would fit perfectly into a Pop/Hip Hop radio playlist. I couldn't find anything sonically that relates this song to country music besides the Jack Daniels reference. Don't forget the "Old Alabama" name drop. Even though I like the feel, I agree that there is very little country about this song.
|
|
Markus Meyer
Platinum Member
Favorite Single of 2020 So Far: “betty” by Taylor Swift
Joined: August 2013
Posts: 1,625
|
Post by Markus Meyer on Jul 22, 2014 0:09:46 GMT -5
Yeah, this isn't very country at all but I still like it, and it's certainly shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence as LFTG (at least in my opinion).
|
|
|
Post by countrymusic20 on Jul 22, 2014 0:20:04 GMT -5
Kudos to Jason for trying something different. Love it.
|
|
LBTrocks
Diamond Member
Joined: September 2012
Posts: 17,165
|
Post by LBTrocks on Jul 22, 2014 0:21:41 GMT -5
The lyrics are bad and there's absolutely nothing country about the production... yet I still find myself liking this. I certainly don't love it though, like I stated earlier. The song, especially the chorus, is quite melodic and I think the beat works well with it. This will probably do well for him, even though it's not the typical lead single expected of Jason. This song is by no means a masterpiece or a favorite of mine, but I like it for what it is. His past albums have been consistently good, so I'm hoping the same thing can be said for his next one.
|
|
Deleted
Joined: January 1970
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2014 0:25:07 GMT -5
Oh man, this is not good, and not country. I actually like most of Jason's stuff too (have all of his albums) but this is just...yuck.
Are the lyrics at 2:42 really "jamming to some old Alabama with ya baby layin' right here naked in my bed" ?! Is this what country lyrics have come to? The processed vocals and the hip-hop production are a complete turn-off for me. There is nothing about the sound of the song, the lyrics, the mood, the culture/lifestyle of the people in this song, that is country.
Geez...can you imagine Alan Jackson singing this song? George Strait? Toby Keith? Brad Paisley? Randy Travis? Or a female singing the song but from a woman's perspective? Martina McBride? Faith Hill? Carrie Underwood? Anybody? I can't imagine any single country singer prior to Aldean, Luke, and FGL singing a song like this. I honestly felt some second-hand embarrassment while listening to this.
Hugely disappointed with Jason and his label's decision here. I'm sure there will be a ton of tracks on his upcoming album that I will enjoy (which will personally just make it even more frustrating that this song was chosen as a single, let alone the lead single) but man, this is just...wow. But of course with the Clear Channel debut it should easily debut in the 20's on Billboard, if not the top 20. Which probably means it'll be a big hit in the end..
|
|
|
Post by ryanroberts on Jul 22, 2014 0:39:26 GMT -5
I honestly don't mind this. Something about it I like. It still sounds country enough to where it can work. You have to take into account Aldean's vocals. They are undeniably country auto-tuned or not. Also even though it may not be the traditional sound, there is still a steel guitar heard in the song. It's not my favorite by any means, but I won't turn it off either.
I also have some negatives here. I agree with Jhomes on the "Right Here Naked In My Bed" lyric. I know it's going to be classified as love song in the same category as a Dierk's Come a Little Closer or any of the Conway Twitty hits on this subject, but my reasons for disliking that lyric are not just for in general classy reasons. I hate to say it, but Jason Aldean isn't doing himself any favors it seems with this and his personal life and overall public image. Just seems too soon.
|
|
kanimal
3x Platinum Member
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 3,043
|
Post by kanimal on Jul 22, 2014 1:34:05 GMT -5
Props to whomever realized that parts of this sound exactly like Luke Bryan's bit in "This is How We Roll." It's almost uncanny.
Am I missing something or is this not getting the expected push on iTunes? Realistically, this should be considered as big a release as Florida Georgia Line's "Dirt," but I don't really see any banners on the iTunes homepage (there is stuff all over the country section, however).
Currently #68 on iTunes.
|
|
Markus Meyer
Platinum Member
Favorite Single of 2020 So Far: “betty” by Taylor Swift
Joined: August 2013
Posts: 1,625
|
Post by Markus Meyer on Jul 22, 2014 1:49:08 GMT -5
Props to whomever realized that parts of this sound exactly like Luke Bryan's bit in "This is How We Roll." It's almost uncanny. Am I missing something or is this not getting the expected push on iTunes? Realistically, this should be considered as big a release as Florida Georgia Line's "Dirt," but I don't really see any banners on the iTunes homepage (there is stuff all over the country section, however). Currently #68 on iTunes. Eh check again in the morning. Late at night, people may not have been on iTunes yet.
|
|
miss1030
New Member
Joined: July 2014
Posts: 7
|
Post by miss1030 on Jul 22, 2014 2:06:21 GMT -5
|
|
joey2002
6x Platinum Member
Joined: January 2009
Posts: 6,372
|
Post by joey2002 on Jul 22, 2014 2:26:24 GMT -5
Wow. Kind of scary how this isn't the slightest bit country. "Laughed Until We Cried" happened to just come on the radio, and it really shows how much country radio has changed over the past few years. :'( Songs like this – lyrically and musically – just don't belong on country radio. Geez...can you imagine Alan Jackson singing this song? George Strait? Toby Keith? Brad Paisley? Randy Travis? Or a female singing the song but from a woman's perspective? Martina McBride? Faith Hill? Carrie Underwood? Anybody? I can't imagine any single country singer prior to Aldean, Luke, and FGL singing a song like this. I honestly felt some second-hand embarrassment while listening to this. Agree 100%.
|
|
Dustin J.
3x Platinum Member
90's country guru
Joined: January 2005
Posts: 3,087
|
Post by Dustin J. on Jul 22, 2014 7:43:59 GMT -5
This isn't anywhere even close to country...yet, for some reason, country radio will play it and people will think it's the greatest flavor of the month.
|
|
rsmatto
6x Platinum Member
Joined: December 2008
Posts: 6,528
|
Post by rsmatto on Jul 22, 2014 8:31:25 GMT -5
There's nothing here to suggest it's a 'country' song, not even a banjo or fiddle deep in the mix. That being said, it's a decent pop song (though it does sorta just 'end'). The production is very HipHop in approach (the drum/bass loop) and doesn't feel 'techno' at all. There's not other electronic beats driving the song around (though this certainly could get that for pop radio).
I think they'll have to use Chorus 2's "sleeping in my bed" instead of "Naked in my bed" for the whole song. Verse 2 sounds like Luke's verse in "This Is How We Roll." Jason's voice is overdubbed multiple tracks, that's how it sounds like 'autotune' without actually be a production technique (Think Jerrod Niemann's "Lover Lover").
This is undoubtedly a hit because of who is releasing it but it is again a risk from Aldean/Broken Bow.
|
|
trebor
4x Platinum Member
Rock this quiet, little country town
|
Post by trebor on Jul 22, 2014 8:50:52 GMT -5
Awesome new offering from Jason Aldean. Could be even be played in Germany and Northern Europe and pass for AC Rock. The lyrics are pretty bland, though. Love it!
|
|
kanimal
3x Platinum Member
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 3,043
|
Post by kanimal on Jul 22, 2014 8:51:11 GMT -5
I'm not saying the song in any way resembles classic country, but doesn't the "it's not country" argument become invalid at a certain point? If the biggest names in country repeatedly release songs that we don't consider "country," doesn't that mean the definition might have to evolve?
I don't even really like this song, but it's still a song by the #3 name in country music that will get played on country radio. So there's an extent to which saying "this isn't country" is futile.
|
|
carriekins
5x Platinum Member
With my mouth wide open in a whiskey rain, I could stand here 24 hours a day...
Joined: November 2011
Posts: 5,323
|
Post by carriekins on Jul 22, 2014 9:08:31 GMT -5
Just because a country artist releases it, doesn't make it country (Taylor Swift, anybody?) Just like just because something is popular, doesn't make it good.
It's still all subjective, and even though I don't mind this song, I find it difficult to find anything that ties it to country except perhaps Jason's vocals.
|
|
dm2081
7x Platinum Member
Joined: April 2014
Posts: 7,031
|
Post by dm2081 on Jul 22, 2014 9:23:02 GMT -5
Well I do like this song, it has a nice groove to it and it's a pretty "sexy" song for lack of better words. However, I agree, this is not traditional country sounding at all. The beat could seriously pass for a R&B song. I guarantee that they will release a remix with a rapper on this one. In this case it almost wouldn't make sense not to. My prediction is a Wiz Khalifa remix comes out right before the album and then boom: 500k sales week.
|
|
kanimal
3x Platinum Member
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 3,043
|
Post by kanimal on Jul 22, 2014 9:25:05 GMT -5
Just because a country artist releases it, doesn't make it country (Taylor Swift, anybody?) Just like just because something is popular, doesn't make it good. It's still all subjective, and even though I don't mind this song, I find it difficult to find anything that ties it to country except perhaps Jason's vocals. At a certain point, a genre must be defined by what it is rather than simply what it was. If many of the most popular songs on country radio are dismissed as "not country," then the wrong definition of country is being applied. This, unsurprisingly, sounds close enough to the Florida Georgia Line songs that define country right now. You don't have to like where country is as a genre, but you can't act like this song has no connection whatsoever to what country radio is playing. Song is up to at least #5 on iTunes.
|
|
|
Post by tim on Jul 22, 2014 9:26:49 GMT -5
Just on my first listen to this my first thought was this is one of the biggest disappointments of the year. I was really anxious and excited to get a new song from Jason. I've always really liked what Jason has put out (more or less) and didn't even mind "1994" that much, but this...other than Jason's vocals this is just missing any signature Jason Aldean presence and sounds so far removed from what he has thus far established his sound as.
I'll give this another listen tonight, but it's going to be hard to even get through the production of it. Yuck indeed.
edit: the production of this almost resembles Tim's "Lookin' for that Girl." I'm not going to be able to listen to this now without thinking of that mess.
|
|