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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2014 21:09:02 GMT -5
1-1 would be a scum win b/c no lynch would occur they'd just skip forward and kill the last person off.
Even if Coco is scum we cant really lynch her since she's not a threat and cant vote right now. We can't afford to lynch GB either for the reason that it would put Coco back into play = scum win.
So we can't lynch Coco or Green Baron yet.
It's almost obligatory for us to choose between the other three
Lynching a potential bomb is dangerous, scum would not lynch a bomb. Lynching a town watcher would be bad, b/c of such few town power roles left.
- Which means it may be best for us to lynch a vanilla claim? Omg, I'm so mixed on what to do here. Like what's gonna actually help town. Green Baron would honestly be the worst lynch unless Coco IS town and the HoH role I summoned early and Green Baron is mafia, but those combined is quite far fetched.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2014 21:10:37 GMT -5
Plus is it confirmed Coco is scum? She hasn't even had a chance to defend herself. She could be the have role I through out there in which scenario it'd be a pettyful mislynch when we could've lynched GB and got the 2 votes back. Is it bad I'm actually considering that?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2014 21:11:05 GMT -5
*thre
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2014 21:11:15 GMT -5
ugh, threw
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2014 21:11:43 GMT -5
WAIT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2014 21:11:56 GMT -5
I GOT SOMETHING
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2014 21:16:05 GMT -5
Ugh, I am FINALLY at the hotel. I am going to go out soon - now ay in hell am I spending my time in LA on mafia. Anyhow, to clarify, yes - I watched Ginger, and Baron did something to him. I watched Cynthia the first night because she is typically the first target - nothing happened. I watched Cynthia the second night because she was the cop. She was targeted by Coco. Since Coco was silenced, I didn't want to reveal my role so I could watch another night. I watched Ginger and Baron targeted him last night. I think we have mafia and an indie left - the indie is likely doing the silencing, so with this - we know it's Baron either way. Your evidence suggests you watched both night kills and you're saying Cynthia was targeted by Coco? And Ginger by green baron? Which suggests both are mafia, correct? However, Green Baron says he kidnapped Coco, meaning the kidnap would take place over the kill, which means you're bs'ing and are scum. So if Coco had tried to kill Cynthia, it wouldn't have gone through, so you're logic is bs and you are scum. Vote: popstop
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2014 21:17:17 GMT -5
Which I believe means you are a mafia watcher.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Aug 20, 2014 21:22:15 GMT -5
1-1 would be a scum win b/c no lynch would occur they'd just skip forward and kill the last person off. Even if Coco is scum we cant really lynch her since she's not a threat and cant vote right now. We can't afford to lynch GB either for the reason that it would put Coco back into play = scum win. Can GB choose who to silence every day or was it a one-off that lasts for as long as he's in the game? So we can't lynch Coco or Green Baron yet. Lynching a potential bomb is dangerous, scum would not lynch a bomb. Lynching a town watcher would be bad, b/c of such few town power roles left. - Which means it may be best for us to lynch a vanilla claim? Omg, I'm so mixed on what to do here. Like what's gonna actually help town. Green Baron would honestly be the worst lynch unless Coco IS town and the HoH role I summoned early and Green Baron is mafia, but those combined is quite far fetched. So you think it would be better for us to lynch a vanilla claim over a claim of any other sort even though you've had no reason to distrust me or think that I'm scum whereas the other two have? I get that I have no proof to back me up other than my claim and my placement on the original list but it seems strange to me that I'd be chosen as the lynch target because I don't have a power role? If we are to believe that both popstop and Zebra are telling the truth, and I know I am, that leaves you and Green Baron. We have Cynthia's confirmation that you're house-aligned but can we be sure of its accuracy? Maybe part of your role involves some sort of a roleblocking function when investigated. We also have Green Baron, who was the only person witnessed by Pop visiting Ginger when we were told Ginger had two actions performed on him. Maybe GB is lying about his role (which I guess we're still waiting on him to reveal anyway...) So, I understand why I'd be a target here if there's nothing else to do but it's definitely a bad idea and I don't think you should have a vote on anyone right now anyway. Green Baron isn't on our side and doesn't have to answer any question or do anything that works in our favour if he chooses not to. All it takes is for him to lay down a vote on someone who has a vote on them and the remaining scum to hammer and boom, day is over.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2014 21:23:04 GMT -5
Ugh, I am FINALLY at the hotel. I am going to go out soon - now ay in hell am I spending my time in LA on mafia. Anyhow, to clarify, yes - I watched Ginger, and Baron did something to him. I watched Cynthia the first night because she is typically the first target - nothing happened. I watched Cynthia the second night because she was the cop. She was targeted by Coco. Since Coco was silenced, I didn't want to reveal my role so I could watch another night. I watched Ginger and Baron targeted him last night. I think we have mafia and an indie left - the indie is likely doing the silencing, so with this - we know it's Baron either way. Your evidence suggests you watched both night kills and you're saying Cynthia was targeted by Coco? And Ginger by green baron? Which suggests both are mafia, correct? However, Green Baron says he kidnapped Coco, meaning the kidnap would take place over the kill, which means you're bs'ing and are scum. So if Coco had tried to kill Cynthia, it wouldn't have gone through, so you're logic is bs and you are scum. Vote: popstopRead this max since i see you quoted older posts
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Aug 20, 2014 21:24:41 GMT -5
Ugh, I am FINALLY at the hotel. I am going to go out soon - now ay in hell am I spending my time in LA on mafia. Anyhow, to clarify, yes - I watched Ginger, and Baron did something to him. I watched Cynthia the first night because she is typically the first target - nothing happened. I watched Cynthia the second night because she was the cop. She was targeted by Coco. Since Coco was silenced, I didn't want to reveal my role so I could watch another night. I watched Ginger and Baron targeted him last night. I think we have mafia and an indie left - the indie is likely doing the silencing, so with this - we know it's Baron either way. Your evidence suggests you watched both night kills and you're saying Cynthia was targeted by Coco? And Ginger by green baron? Which suggests both are mafia, correct? However, Green Baron says he kidnapped Coco, meaning the kidnap would take place over the kill, which means you're bs'ing and are scum. So if Coco had tried to kill Cynthia, it wouldn't have gone through, so you're logic is bs and you are scum. Vote: popstopSpell that out again plz?
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Aug 20, 2014 21:25:19 GMT -5
Sorry. I don't get it. Maybe create a day-by-day table of who did what to whom.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Aug 20, 2014 21:26:56 GMT -5
Oh I think I get it. Popstop said he watched Cynthia the night she was killed and said that Coco visited her. But if GB silenced her the same night, Coco wouldn't have been able to do anything.
So in the order of how things work, if someone is silenced on a particular night, any action they try to perform before that night ends (ie. a kill in this case) can't go through, meaning popstop is lying?
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Aug 20, 2014 21:36:48 GMT -5
I'm going to wait for confirmation from a mod that that's how the order of things work (or alternatively, I could try to google it but I wouldn't know how to start.... I'll check out the wikimafia page I guess...). I'm also still interested in Green Baron's character role, whenever he's ready to tell us that.
And I want to hear from Zebra. And maybe popstop once he lands.
I'll be prepared to place a vote on Poppy though after all that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2014 21:41:22 GMT -5
Your evidence suggests you watched both night kills and you're saying Cynthia was targeted by Coco? And Ginger by green baron? Which suggests both are mafia, correct? However, Green Baron says he kidnapped Coco, meaning the kidnap would take place over the kill, which means you're bs'ing and are scum. So if Coco had tried to kill Cynthia, it wouldn't have gone through, so you're logic is bs and you are scum. Vote: popstopSpell that out again plz? Alright, natural action resolution goes like this (thank you josh btw) 1 Copy 2 Hide 3 Bus 4 Block 5 Redirect 6 Protect 7 Miscellaneous 8 Kill 9 Recruit 10 Inspect Miscellaneous would = Kidnap or something Kidnap takes priority over a kill. Green Baron says he kidnapped Coco as an indie the night she would've killed Cynthia as said in popstop's evidence. Meaning Coco couldn't of killed Cynthia in any way shape or form. Wait - but actually come to think about it, that can't be true based off of Green Baron kidnapping Ginger Spice last night which would of mean I believe the kill not occurring??? Which would mean Green Baron is Mafia? I'm legit confused here. So Kidnap takes priority > A kill meaning... Ginger Spice should've been kidnapped and not killed, I believe. Vote: Green Baron Mafia 1-S Abductor or something? Worst case scenario is my logic somehow messed up, though I don't see how, he flips indie and Coco is let back into play as scum = scum win. If there are 2 scum left (automatic scum win in the event he flips indie). God this is so fucking confusing though. Can somebody else go through this and verify to see if they can come up with the same logic (Somebody meaning Max).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2014 21:42:48 GMT -5
But why would Green Baron silence his partner? Vote: popstop omg this is so fucking confusing
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2014 21:43:32 GMT -5
So one of Green Baron or popstop are DEFINITELY mafia.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2014 21:47:59 GMT -5
Actually, yes it's popstop who's bullshitting Coco couldn't have killed Cynthia in any way shape or form. A watcher gets EVERYONE who targets someone during the night phases names, and in order for Cynthia to die Coco couldn't have been the only one to target Cynthia = you're scum.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2014 21:49:42 GMT -5
OH, actually I just remembered from a past mafia game that abductors cannot abduct someone that mafia kills - the kill actually takes priority = popstop is the one definitely bullshitting, let's lynch him.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Aug 20, 2014 21:54:46 GMT -5
Yeah, we just need to take a step back and evaluate the information as it was given from the source.
Popstop said he saw Coco visit Cynthia the night she was killed. He also said he saw Green Baron visit Ginger the night he was killed.
Green Baron said he silenced Coco. I assume this is a daily thing, which means he's been 'visiting' her every night phase to silence her for the next day/night phases.
For popstop to be telling the truth, he should have seen two people visit Ginger the night he was killed and Cynthia shouldn't have been killed when she was because Coco should have been silenced before the kill was able to be made.
Popstop's claim is dependent on Green Baron being a liar in order for it to be true whereas Green Baron's claims can exist on their own.
What's the current vote count?
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Aug 20, 2014 21:59:48 GMT -5
OH, actually I just remembered from a past mafia game that abductors cannot abduct someone that mafia kills - the kill actually takes priority = popstop is the one definitely bullshitting, let's lynch him. That could also mean instead that Green Baron is lying though, couldn't it? Though I guess it wouldn't make sense if Coco sent in the kill on Cynthia, GB sent in the kill on Ginger, and GB is silencing Coco, his scum partner...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2014 22:02:56 GMT -5
- For GB to be lying though means how the hell did Coco become silent? No one else has bs'd him, however why would they b/c that would have to mean they're mafia and putting a huge target on their back. - Green Baron said he targeted Ginger Spice though last night phase with the silencer, meaning it's permanent and only gives up once he's lynched. The abduction didn't happen though since mafia killed GS anyways. The only theory that counteracts with Coco not being able to kill Cynthia is she has a strongman kill, but I seriously think that's a defective prediction, so I'm not going to assume that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2014 22:05:06 GMT -5
There is no way in hell I'm believing a Green Baron/Coco mafia team though. And Max I believe you. Who's that leave again?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2014 22:08:01 GMT -5
It seems like no matter where we get though all the evidence suggests a popstop and Zebra. scum alignment. It always redirects back to that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2014 22:11:32 GMT -5
- The fact that neither were on the Codex lynch adds to the fact that they're probably a scum team. It seems like too much a coincidence, sure, but the evidence seems to compile towards the coincidence no matter how many times I try to obtain other evidence.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Aug 20, 2014 22:13:46 GMT -5
Yeah, though I'm thinking it's popstop/coco? Either way, pop seems to be the sure bet.
Zebra hasn't voted for anyone since he voted Surf (unless I missed something). So... I guess we'll see where that takes us for the next day phase. If pop is scum, we'll know who the last scum is depending on whether there's a night kill and who green baron silences next.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2014 22:22:23 GMT -5
Yeah, though I'm thinking it's popstop/coco? Either way, pop seems to be the sure bet. Zebra hasn't voted for anyone since he voted Surf (unless I missed something). So... I guess we'll see where that takes us for the next day phase. If pop is scum, we'll know who the last scum is depending on whether there's a night kill and who green baron silences next. popstop has 1 vote at the moment, so you could put him at l-1 if you wish.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Aug 20, 2014 22:31:08 GMT -5
Yeah sorry. I just want to think everything through because we may not have the luxury in the next day phase is there's still a scum able to make a kill.
vote: Popstop
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Post by josh on Aug 20, 2014 22:33:39 GMT -5
With 5 active, it takes 3 votes to evict.
Deadline is set for August 26, 1:30pm EST.
Popstop: 2 (Invincible, Max) Zebra: 1 (Green Baron)
Not voting: 2 (Zebra, Popstop)
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Why do I start what I can't finish?
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Post by Green Baron on Aug 20, 2014 22:34:40 GMT -5
alright I just read through this page, sorry guys I was out the whole day. popstop's scum with all this lying. The problem is who is the other? I'm leaning Zebra.
Vote: popstop
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