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Post by surfy on Aug 28, 2014 20:35:02 GMT -5
Thank you mods, was 'bout to have WW3 up in here.
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Post by josh on Aug 28, 2014 20:37:38 GMT -5
Most added song that went for adds this week? Maybe?
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Post by I Wish on Aug 28, 2014 21:41:51 GMT -5
Yes, let's drop the argument now. ...Most added at top 40? Did I miss something? Labels always seem to have a bizarre definition of "most added," yeah. I guess it sounds good on marketing materials even if it isn't true, heh. It's CLASSIC spin. TV and Film do the same thing with lines like "[insert name] was #1 in Tweens between the ages of 12 - 16 at 5pm on a Wednesday afternoon." All About You was one of the top 10 adds for the week and like Josh said, the #1 song of singles sent for adds (lol) so they felt that could warrant the banner.
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Post by dzjx on Aug 29, 2014 6:06:00 GMT -5
Lets drop the discussion now I agree, and leave it with her US stats from her wildly successful 5 years of making music. Her updated sales are on Billboard. Albums: 3,961,000, Metamorphosis (2003; No. 1 on the Billboard 200 for one week) 1,799,000, Hilary Duff (2004; No. 2) 1,489,000, Most Wanted (2005; No. 1, two weeks) 477,000, Santa Claus Lane (2002; No. 154) 411,000, Dignity (2007; No. 3) Songs: 655,000, "Come Clean" 550,000, "With Love" 437,000, "Wake Up" 284,000, "Fly" 253,000, "Stranger" 252,000, "So Yesterday" 238,000, "Someone's Watching Over Me" 161,000, "Our Lips Are Sealed" (with Haylie Duff) 124,000, "Why Not" 112,000, "Play With Fire" www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/6189519/ask-billboard-how-has-enrique-iglesias-bailando-become-such-a?page=0%2C2
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on Aug 29, 2014 7:23:24 GMT -5
I didn't realize there were so many people who paid for that unfortunate cover of Our Lips Are Sealed from when they tried to make her sister famous. Dignity didn't do too bad for not having any really successful singles
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Post by JamaicaFunk² on Aug 29, 2014 7:28:05 GMT -5
I didn't realize there were so many people who paid for that unfortunate cover of Our Lips Are Sealed from when they tried to make her sister famous. Dignity didn't do too bad for not having any really successful singles Let's just be glad that THAT is the cover that's on the list, and not Material Girl.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2014 8:17:44 GMT -5
Lets drop the discussion now I agree, and leave it with her US stats from her wildly successful 5 years of making music. Her updated sales are on Billboard. Albums: 3,961,000, Metamorphosis (2003; No. 1 on the Billboard 200 for one week) 1,799,000, Hilary Duff (2004; No. 2) 1,489,000, Most Wanted (2005; No. 1, two weeks) 477,000, Santa Claus Lane (2002; No. 154) 411,000, Dignity (2007; No. 3) Songs: 655,000, "Come Clean" 550,000, "With Love" 437,000, "Wake Up" 284,000, "Fly" 253,000, "Stranger" 252,000, "So Yesterday" 238,000, "Someone's Watching Over Me" 161,000, "Our Lips Are Sealed" (with Haylie Duff) 124,000, "Why Not" 112,000, "Play With Fire" www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/6189519/ask-billboard-how-has-enrique-iglesias-bailando-become-such-a?page=0%2C2Not a Platinum selling single to be found and the album sales still don't total out to be 10 million as originally claimed. Not that 8 million is anything to scoff at, but her sales trajectory as it applies to her time as Lizzie McGuire is certainly interesting.
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Post by kmbgs on Aug 29, 2014 8:19:57 GMT -5
Wow I'm actually shocked at how much her first two albums sold, and that ridiculously premature Greatest Hits too. Shocked.
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Post by Au$tin on Aug 29, 2014 8:23:11 GMT -5
Let's not forget album sales were at their highest point/just starting to decline at the start of her career. Comparing her to anyone from today in that field is pointless for that fact.
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Post by pnobelysk on Aug 29, 2014 9:57:43 GMT -5
Lets drop the discussion now I agree, and leave it with her US stats from her wildly successful 5 years of making music. Her updated sales are on Billboard. Albums: 3,961,000, Metamorphosis (2003; No. 1 on the Billboard 200 for one week) 1,799,000, Hilary Duff (2004; No. 2) 1,489,000, Most Wanted (2005; No. 1, two weeks) 477,000, Santa Claus Lane (2002; No. 154) 411,000, Dignity (2007; No. 3) Songs: 655,000, "Come Clean" 550,000, "With Love" 437,000, "Wake Up" 284,000, "Fly" 253,000, "Stranger" 252,000, "So Yesterday" 238,000, "Someone's Watching Over Me" 161,000, "Our Lips Are Sealed" (with Haylie Duff) 124,000, "Why Not" 112,000, "Play With Fire" www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/6189519/ask-billboard-how-has-enrique-iglesias-bailando-become-such-a?page=0%2C2Not a Platinum selling single to be found and the album sales still don't total out to be 10 million as originally claimed. Not that 8 million is anything to scoff at, but her sales trajectory as it applies to her time as Lizzie McGuire is certainly interesting. Come clean and wake up surley would've been platnium if they were successful during the digital boom, most of her music was released before the digital sales surge
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Post by josh on Aug 29, 2014 9:59:06 GMT -5
But then her album sales would have been lower. It's a give/take situation.
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Post by divasummer on Aug 29, 2014 10:38:31 GMT -5
Any update on her Airplay??????/
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Post by dzjx on Aug 29, 2014 10:45:07 GMT -5
Lets drop the discussion now I agree, and leave it with her US stats from her wildly successful 5 years of making music. Her updated sales are on Billboard. Albums: 3,961,000, Metamorphosis (2003; No. 1 on the Billboard 200 for one week) 1,799,000, Hilary Duff (2004; No. 2) 1,489,000, Most Wanted (2005; No. 1, two weeks) 477,000, Santa Claus Lane (2002; No. 154) 411,000, Dignity (2007; No. 3) Songs: 655,000, "Come Clean" 550,000, "With Love" 437,000, "Wake Up" 284,000, "Fly" 253,000, "Stranger" 252,000, "So Yesterday" 238,000, "Someone's Watching Over Me" 161,000, "Our Lips Are Sealed" (with Haylie Duff) 124,000, "Why Not" 112,000, "Play With Fire" www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/6189519/ask-billboard-how-has-enrique-iglesias-bailando-become-such-a?page=0%2C2Not a Platinum selling single to be found and the album sales still don't total out to be 10 million as originally claimed. Not that 8 million is anything to scoff at, but her sales trajectory as it applies to her time as Lizzie McGuire is certainly interesting. Not sure if you were born when Hilary was releasing music (and it does make me feel old to know people born after 2007 can use computers and interact with the world) but back then single sales were very low digitally whereas album sales were higher and it was hard to get a platinum single. But yes her singles did not fare well due to teen stars not being able to be taken seriously at radio at that time - which is kinda different now. And yet with only a couple of moderately successful singles just look at those album sales - we are not worthy. As for the downwards sales trajectory, alas this happens to lots of artists. Including Britney Christina Lady gaga Ashlee Simpson Avril Lavigne Selena Gomez Demi lovato
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2014 11:13:46 GMT -5
Not sure if you were born when Hilary was releasing music (and it does make me feel old to know people born after 2007 can use computers and interact with the world) but back then single sales were very low digitally whereas album sales were higher and it was hard to get a platinum single. at this reach. Compared to a lot of her peers those sales aren't very high, nor did they have the radio success to support them. Incidentally, I was part of her core demographic around the time she was releasing music. That doesn't mean I'm obligated to stan. But yes her singles did not fare well due to teen stars not being able to be taken seriously at radio at that time - which is kinda different now. No, she's not a special snowflake I'm afraid. Demi, Selena, Miley, etc. have all struggled to overcome the radio stigma. The difference between those ladies and Hilary is that they actually did, and had the talent to do it. As for the downwards sales trajectory, alas this happens to lots of artists. Including Britney Christina Lady gaga Ashlee Simpson Avril Lavigne Selena Gomez Demi lovatoNone of them went from almost four million to 400k in a span of 4 years and 3 studio albums. That's just embarrassing.
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Post by dzjx on Aug 29, 2014 13:37:55 GMT -5
Not sure if you were born when Hilary was releasing music (and it does make me feel old to know people born after 2007 can use computers and interact with the world) but back then single sales were very low digitally whereas album sales were higher and it was hard to get a platinum single. at this reach. Compared to a lot of her peers those sales aren't very high, nor did they have the radio success to support them. Incidentally, I was part of her core demographic around the time she was releasing music. That doesn't mean I'm obligated to stan. But yes her singles did not fare well due to teen stars not being able to be taken seriously at radio at that time - which is kinda different now. No, she's not a special snowflake I'm afraid. Demi, Selena, Miley, etc. have all struggled to overcome the radio stigma. The difference between those ladies and Hilary is that they actually did, and had the talent to do it. As for the downwards sales trajectory, alas this happens to lots of artists. Including Britney Christina Lady gaga Ashlee Simpson Avril Lavigne Selena Gomez Demi lovatoNone of them went from almost four million to 400k in a span of 4 years and 3 studio albums. That's just embarrassing. Reported for constantly trolling this thread and antagonizing other members, find something else to do with your time please rather than just using it to discredit Hilary Duff's successful music career.
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Post by I Wish on Aug 29, 2014 14:03:44 GMT -5
Let's not forget album sales were at their highest point/just starting to decline at the start of her career. Comparing her to anyone from today in that field is pointless for that fact. They were far from just starting to decline. Especially when she was #1 on the Billboard 200 for two weeks with Most Wanted, one of which only selling 101k. Album sales started to decline in 2002/2003ish and she was selling well. What people love to forget is after her first album era, she wasn't really treated as a music artist by her label. SY and CC went for radio adds and peaked at #15 and #9 respectively, assisting her albums with selling. During her self-titled album, they ONLY released Fly and it managed to assist the album to sell 1.4 million (at the time) with no radio support (OLAS basically killed that for her). Rather than release another single back in October/November to help them sustain sales, they let Fly collapse in September even though the album still sold A LOT more after it's initial release. She then released a premature GH album which was major turn off for most people and the rest is history.
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Post by dzjx on Aug 29, 2014 14:18:25 GMT -5
Let's not forget album sales were at their highest point/just starting to decline at the start of her career. Comparing her to anyone from today in that field is pointless for that fact. You can still compare Year-end charts though with other artists from today's field.
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Post by Au$tin on Aug 29, 2014 14:29:44 GMT -5
Let's not forget album sales were at their highest point/just starting to decline at the start of her career. Comparing her to anyone from today in that field is pointless for that fact. You can still compare Year-end charts though with other artists from today's field. Not necessarily because different genres were hurt harder than others when it comes to the decline of album sales. Country, r&b, and hip-hop, for example, were affected far less than pop, rock, and dance.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2014 15:50:54 GMT -5
at this reach. Compared to a lot of her peers those sales aren't very high, nor did they have the radio success to support them. Incidentally, I was part of her core demographic around the time she was releasing music. That doesn't mean I'm obligated to stan. No, she's not a special snowflake I'm afraid. Demi, Selena, Miley, etc. have all struggled to overcome the radio stigma. The difference between those ladies and Hilary is that they actually did, and had the talent to do it. None of them went from almost four million to 400k in a span of 4 years and 3 studio albums. That's just embarrassing. Reported for constantly trolling this thread and antagonizing other members, find something else to do with your time please rather than just using it to discredit Hilary Duff's successful music career. I'm not trolling or attempting to discredit her. All I'm attempting to provide is perspective. Did I not concede that her album sales were substantial or no? Again: I like Hilary, but this is a Hilary Duff thread and nowhere does it state that I can't state what I perceive to be the reality of the situation. If you find hard facts to be antagonistic then that isn't my problem.
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Post by dzjx on Aug 29, 2014 16:44:25 GMT -5
Reported for constantly trolling this thread and antagonizing other members, find something else to do with your time please rather than just using it to discredit Hilary Duff's successful music career. I'm not trolling or attempting to discredit her. All I'm attempting to provide is perspective. Did I not concede that her album sales were substantial or no? Again: I like Hilary, but this is a Hilary Duff thread and nowhere does it state that I can't state what I perceive to be the reality of the situation. If you find hard facts to be antagonistic then that isn't my problem. You didn't give facts lmao, you tried to completely make up numbers because you got butthurt because someone said Hilary is more successful than Ariana.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2014 16:47:22 GMT -5
Oh you're still on that? Because I was past that and thought staff said to drop it.
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Post by surfy on Aug 29, 2014 16:55:09 GMT -5
I'm not trolling or attempting to discredit her. All I'm attempting to provide is perspective. Did I not concede that her album sales were substantial or no? Again: I like Hilary, but this is a Hilary Duff thread and nowhere does it state that I can't state what I perceive to be the reality of the situation. If you find hard facts to be antagonistic then that isn't my problem. You didn't give facts lmao, you tried to completely make up numbers because you got butthurt because someone said Hilary is more successful than Ariana. Are you seriously saying that we were the people trolling in the situation? funniest thing I've heard all damn day! HAHA! But seriously, please stop trying to bring this back up. Kunt wasn't trolling, he is discussing Hilary's success with the numbers shown clearly in the Hilary Duff thread! That is not trolling in any way, shape, or form.
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Post by dzjx on Aug 29, 2014 16:59:43 GMT -5
You didn't give facts lmao, you tried to completely make up numbers because you got butthurt because someone said Hilary is more successful than Ariana. Are you seriously saying that we were the people trolling in the situation? funniest thing I've heard all damn day! HAHA! But seriously, please stop trying to bring this back up. Kunt wasn't trolling, he is discussing Hilary's success with the numbers shown clearly in the Hilary Duff thread! That is not trolling in any way, shape, or form. Nope. He made a load up out of nowhere check a few posts ago.
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Post by dzjx on Aug 29, 2014 17:00:41 GMT -5
Oh you're still on that? Because I was past that and thought staff said to drop it. I tried to end it ages ago, but you kept dragging it along.
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Post by james on Aug 29, 2014 17:02:57 GMT -5
I think people are forgetting this a SINGLES thread. No where do I see discussion about the single. The fact is Hilary has been away from the scene for 7 years, and from a modestly performing album. She's been successful in the past, yes but long breaks make it difficult for anyone. Christina had a long break and struggled with radio play, Nelly Furtado took a seven year break and faded from existence. The fact that Hilary has 20 million views for Chasing The Sun is pretty fantastic really, it's just going to be an upward battle to get radio play but so far she's doing nicely considering the context.
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Post by surfy on Aug 29, 2014 17:04:21 GMT -5
Thank you. Drop this discussion in the thread, like the mods have suggested, and take this somewhere else.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2014 17:07:39 GMT -5
Are you seriously saying that we were the people trolling in the situation? funniest thing I've heard all damn day! HAHA! But seriously, please stop trying to bring this back up. Kunt wasn't trolling, he is discussing Hilary's success with the numbers shown clearly in the Hilary Duff thread! That is not trolling in any way, shape, or form. Nope. He made a load up out of nowhere check a few posts ago. I cited your own numbers?
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Post by dzjx on Aug 29, 2014 17:11:29 GMT -5
Nope. He made a load up out of nowhere check a few posts ago. I cited your own numbers? Then what was this? Santa Clause Lane: 500k Metamorphosis: 2.7 (2.6 mil last recorded) Hilary Duff: 2 million (1.8 million last recorded) Dignity: 411k Anyway, sick of the same discussion just drop it now.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2014 17:16:28 GMT -5
I cited your own numbers? Then what was this? Santa Clause Lane: 500k Metamorphosis: 2.7 (2.6 mil last recorded) Hilary Duff: 2 million (1.8 million last recorded) Dignity: 411k Anyway, sick of the same discussion just drop it now. Look, this is embarrassing. I already conceded those numbers were wrong on the previous page. We were told to drop the Ariana discussion last page yet it was somehow misinterpreted to be about Hilary (in her own thread??? Lol) and after you posted your own numbers, I added my own two cents based in THAT information. As I said, I thought we'd moved on from the previous discussion. I certainly let it go, at least. I would suggest that if you harbor any ill will regarding that incident that you let it go as well, because this thread is getting derailed-- flattered as I am that it's about me. The topic if discussion is Hilary Duff. Let's keep it on Hilary, positive, negative, and everything in between. If you want to discuss my posting habits, I tagged you in RT.
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Post by dzjx on Aug 29, 2014 17:37:35 GMT -5
Then what was this? Anyway, sick of the same discussion just drop it now. Look, this is embarrassing. I already conceded those numbers were wrong on the previous page. We were told to drop the Ariana discussion last page yet it was somehow misinterpreted to be about Hilary (in her own thread??? Lol) and after you posted your own numbers, I added my own two cents based in THAT information. As I said, I thought we'd moved on from the previous discussion. I certainly let it go, at least. I would suggest that if you harbor any ill will regarding that incident that you let it go as well, because this thread is getting derailed-- flattered as I am that it's about me. The topic if discussion is Hilary Duff. Let's keep it on Hilary, positive, negative, and everything in between. If you want to discuss my posting habits, I tagged you in RT. No, I will not continue any discussion with you further on some sort of councilor thread. Ive been trying to drop the discussion for ages but you keep quoting me, so lets just end it with this. ------------------------------------------------------------ Anyway I hope they don't make a mess of this era, they've pushed the album back a few months after its supposed October release as Hilary mentioned on twitter - So its not looking good, releasing singles in summer, then putting out the album the following year, hopefully this will pick up slowly on radio or something until then, as for the adds, tbh it was more than I expected so it could be worse will just have to hope for the best. This time around she doesn't really have her celebrity brand and huge fanbase so whatever success she sees will rely on singles, which need radio play.
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