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Post by Walking Contradiction on Aug 29, 2014 5:24:06 GMT -5
Alternative is supposed to be an alternative to any type of mainstream excess, whether it's teen pop, arena rock, or whatever else. Yes, sometimes what starts out as Alternative ends up going mainstream, as a lot of the 90s stuff did back then, and as indie-pop is now (though that seems to be fading a bit). But it has more to do with the sensibility of the music. And in my opinion, a lot of what was popular on the format in the 2000s leaned too close to straight-up arena rock sensibilities, while a lot of great stuff that was more in line with the format's original mission underperformed or was ignored completely. I don't think the format should betray its roots just for the sake of "variety" - and even strictly from a ratings perspective, there just isn't much overlap between the indie and Active audiences these days. What's wrong with having variety on the dial as a whole? Having different types of rock formats on the radio only assures that more music gets exposure. Bastille are without a doubt, an alternative band. Not so much "rock", but I don't know what to classify them. Indie rock is like The National and Arcade Fire, so it's not that. Indie pop is like Imagine Dragons and Fun., so not that. They're in the middle of the two extremes. Indie pop-rock?
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Post by shakermaker on Aug 29, 2014 6:04:33 GMT -5
I disagree with this because to me, only Bastille out of those is first and foremost ALTERNATIVE. I don't get how you could classify Echosmith as first and foremost alternative when they blew up Hot AC and CHR before even barely denting the Alt chart. After all of Lorde's success in the pop world, she is no longer first and foremost ALTERNATIVE. Phantogram are first and foremost TRIP HOP (and boring trip hop too, they couldn't be Portishead or Massive Attack even if they tried). 1. I disagree with the notion that Lorde is no longer alternative just because she's had songs cross over to pop radio. By that logic, Linkin Park aren't alternative either, because they've had multiple pop radio hits, including 3 top tens and a #1, and haven't been since 2001. 2. Actually, Echosmith started off getting airplay on alternative stations in their local area before going for pop/hot AC/etc. adds. I can see how the fact that they didn't make the alternative charts may be taken into account here but the fact remains that it was the alternative format that first broke them out. Which fits perfectly with the format's intent to break out new artists. I've listened to stuff from the Echosmith album and it's not like they're Katy Perry pop or anything. I don't see how they're much different from a good number of the indie pop bands which have been charting on alternative lately, like Smallpools and the like. See "Nothing's Wrong" as an example. 3. So if we were to consider Phantogram trip hop, then by extension you'd also take issue to both Portishead and Massive Attack charting on alternative in the 1990s. I'm not seeing how Phantogram being trip hop-influenced makes them "unalternative" - it's not like trip hop is big on mainstream radio. So trip hop is, yes, alternative to the mainstream pop sound. While I do agree that alternative rock should contain elements from other genres including reggae, ska, jazz fusion and progressive, the problem is those styles aren't popular now. The alternative to straight out rock still has to be rock, and that's what "Cool Kids" is not. It's a very big surprise to see it climbing the Alternative charts because it started out on Pop first. If you say that "alternative has to be an alternative to the mainstream", well guess what, "Cool Kids" already is mainstream. I've heard it on Pop radio multiple times. There's no reason songs should be crossing over from Pop when they have no business doing so ("Tennis Court", "Best Day of My Life", "Rude", etc.) They're already spun to death ten thousand times on Pop radio, yet a format that should be alternative to the mainstream is still playing them? How that that make any sense? But "Cool Kids" does not sound like a Cranberries song. "Zombie" and "Salvation" are out of the question, which leaves us stuff like "Dreams" and "Ode to My Family", both of which I love, and deserved to chart on Alternative. "Cool Kids" is definitely softer than those, but it's not that far of a stretch. So, I guess you COULD say that since "Dreams" = Alternative, "Cool Kids" (as much as I hate to say it) = Alternative, but the problem is "Cool Kids" was a Pop hit first. And for that, the equation is shattered. Bastille are without a doubt, an alternative band. Not so much "rock", but I don't know what to classify them. Indie rock is like The National and Arcade Fire, so it's not that. Indie pop is like Imagine Dragons and Fun., so not that. They're in the middle of the two extremes. I'm still taking issue to the "still has to be rock" part of this statement, because as history has demonstrated genres which aren't rock at all are perfectly capable of charting on alternative, which you do acknowledge in the sentence immediately prior to that. C2C is not rock at all but really do they're an "alternative to straight out rock." It's unfair to cite "Best Day of My Life" as an example of a song "crossing over from pop" because it was actually getting alternative airplay prior to even crossing over. In the case of "Rude", the same applies, but with adult alternative instead of alternative. "Tennis Court" was sent to both pop and alternative radio jointly, but why would it be wrong for Lorde to follow up two successful alternative hits? Linkin Park and 3 Doors Down were sending songs to alternative well after their respective breakout hits became pop radio smashes. The mere fact that "Cool Kids" ended up going big on pop first doesn't mean that the stylistic/genre qualities it shares with other alternative songs are automatically thrown completely out of question on judging it as alternative or not (and, as I said previously, it actually did start out on alternative radio first). Listening to both Echosmith and Bastille I'd say they're both generally indie pop bands, albeit with one being more poppy on their hooks than the other. I'd say one of the main dividing points of this whole discussion is what exact genre "Cool Kids" falls into. I'd consider it to be an indie pop song, and indie pop is a subgenre of alternative rock, so yes I'd consider it to be alternative. In the midst of all of this discussion I'd just like to say that I'm as surprised as a lot of folks are to seeing Echosmith in the alternative top 50, but it's just that I don't really have much objection to it doing well or feel like it's out of place with the rest of the climate. No I actually believe you are wrong. Alternative Rock is an alternative to Straight out rock music. That's why you never hear Def Leppard, Ratt, Ozzy, Boston, Warrant, Skid Row etc... on Alternative radio stations. Furthermore; Alt radio was never an alternative to mainstream pop because it has always played songs that also do well on Mainstream Pop charts. From early 80s thru 2014. Shadowscorp is correct in saying that alternative is an alternative to mainstream pop, but there's also some truth in drindie's statement as well. A primary reason why alternative charts were created in the 1980s was to chart up-and-coming acts (here's an article straight from '88 to prove that), because mainstream rock radio (AOR) was so extremely tilted towards established rock acts that it was pretty much impossible for new rock acts to get any airplay at all. That's one of the reasons why the current era really is so much closer to what alternative originally intended to be, and there's no reason to bemoan the fact that new acts have been getting huge success on the format. In the mid-2000s there was so much crossover between alternative and mainstream rock radio that the dividing lines between the two formats were becoming increasingly blurred. It felt that alternative was slowly losing its identity as a breaking-ground for new, independent artists, which was as previously stated one of the main reasons why the format was created in the first place. Which isn't to say that no new acts could chart, which would be untrue, but just that alt radio was going way overboard with rampantly giving instant airplay passes to a core group of artists who at this point were already very much well-established. Looking at what made the #1 spot in the mid-2000s, pretty much every single one of them was by either an already-established alternative act, or a concurrent mainstream rock radio staple. Modest Mouse and Gorillaz were the closest things to lighter indie music to be found at #1 for all of these years. I can understand how people who grew up around these years would like to see more heavy music on current alternative, and I have no issue at all with that happening. It's really just statements calling for a return to 2005-08 alternative era conditions that I'd say are going overboard.
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Post by Green Baron on Aug 29, 2014 9:31:00 GMT -5
1. The problem is, Lorde was pop when she first charted on Alternative, and the fact that she now crossed over to Pop makes it worse. I'm not saying that if you have pop hits, you're no longer Alternative - the problem is that, in this specific instance, Lorde already was pop and now this makes her even more pop.
2. Well, the fact that it was a hometown alternative station that first got them up is just because no one knew who they were back then and there's no way a big-name pop station would play a rising nobody. The fact that an Alt station from their hometown started them up isn't all that surprising, but it's still biased and doesn't make them alternative. Even if it was one station they started it, it doesn't matter, no other ones wanted to seal the deal, the pop stations did. If you say that alternative should be an alternative from the mainstream, then accepting crossovers from Pop is hypocritical because Pop is the single most mainstream format out there. Pop got them popular, so they shouldn't be getting Alternative play.
3. But I don't take issue with Portishead and Massive Attack because, well, they were actually good. Phantogram bores me. I generally enjoy the trip hop genre, but Phantogram just aren't good. But I do guess since I consider Portishead and Massive Attack's brand of trip hop alternative, I have to do the same for Phantogram, even though I don't like them.
You're right RE: "still has to be rock". What I should have said was that the alternative to the mainstream "should not be pop" which is what I think songs like "Cool Kids" and "Royals" are. I classify them as straight-up-pop, not "indie pop". So therefore, from that point of view, they'e not alternative.
Okay fine, "Best Day of My Life" may have gotten a few spins on Alternative first, but the point is it did not reach the Top 40 until AFTER it became an established pop hit. Same thing with "Tennis Court" - it was hovering below the top 50 before it went top 40 on Pop and then it started shooting up. "Rude" is going to go down as one of the biggest pop songs on the year, so I don't know what you're getting at with that. I do want a new reggae act on Alt, but 311 can come back, not someone from Pop. Even if these songs went for "adds" and got played first on Alt, the point is that they did not get into the Top 50 of Alt until AFTER they became pop hits.
I'd say that "Cool Kids" is adult contemporary fodder, which I don't feel is Alternative, and neither does the chart, because once mainstays Matchbox 20 and Goo Goo Dolls took the adult contemporary route, they were blackballed by the format. So in that case, it's not alternative, because I don't think it's an indie pop song.
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Post by Walking Contradiction on Aug 29, 2014 11:46:15 GMT -5
I read that thread, and I thought that My Life is a Stereo articulates my thoughts on this matter better than I ever could.
And wow, Ida Maria... haven't heard that name in a while. I really liked "Oh My God".
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Post by Green Baron on Aug 29, 2014 11:50:01 GMT -5
I read that thread, and I thought that My Life is a Stereo articulates my thoughts on this matter better than I ever could. And wow, Ida Maria... haven't heard that name in a while. I really liked "Oh My God". Nope. Pen's posts are the best and most accurate in that thread. RIP.
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Post by Pipa on Aug 29, 2014 13:14:27 GMT -5
It's extremely surreal reading the posts in that thread and looking at the Alt chart now. Everything that we said would never work, happened.
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Post by Lordef†ones on Aug 29, 2014 16:36:06 GMT -5
Lorde started out on Alt, has always been Alt or indie pop if you prefer and that is where she belongs. Just because she crossed over she's still Alt even with her surprising(to me) pop success. I can see her becoming an Alt mainstay rather than a Pop mainstay. Also I might not be completely brushed up on trip hop knowledge but Phantogram are more influenced by trip hop rather than actual trip hop, the guitars kind of makes me think they're more electronic rock or something in the vein of Crosses. They definitely fit on Alt and are a very welcome addition because their new album was amazing.
As for Echosmith, they're indie pop. Cool Kids is just more pop than indie but other bands have released really poppy songs without compromising their genre so there's no reason why Echosmith shouldn't.
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Post by Pipa on Aug 29, 2014 19:11:57 GMT -5
I predicted that Lorde would be a one-hit wonder on Pop after "Royals", and look how wrong I was. I consider her to be primarily an Alt artist.
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Post by Green Baron on Aug 29, 2014 19:18:34 GMT -5
Lorde started out on Alt, has always been Alt or indie pop if you prefer and that is where she belongs. Just because she crossed over she's still Alt even with her surprising(to me) pop success. I can see her becoming an Alt mainstay rather than a Pop mainstay. Also I might not be completely brushed up on trip hop knowledge but Phantogram are more influenced by trip hop rather than actual trip hop, the guitars kind of makes me think they're more electronic rock or something in the vein of Crosses. They definitely fit on Alt and are a very welcome addition because their new album was amazing. As for Echosmith, they're indie pop. Cool Kids is just more pop than indie but other bands have released really poppy songs without compromising their genre so there's no reason why Echosmith shouldn't. Oh what you edited the post nvm anyways, so I consider Lorde to be a primarily pop artist because she was always pop to me, and her pop success just makes her more pop. If she didn't have an anti-pop attitude, she never would have been considered Alt in the first place. As for her being an Alt mainstay than a Pop mainstay, I doubt it. Will Alt even accept her with her newer material? Only time will time. I don't get what you're trying to say with the bolded part. I don't think Phantogram fit on Alt because they're not very good. Because Portishead and Massive Attack were good, they fit in on Alt. Echosmith aren't indie pop, I listened to some other songs and they give off a very Haim vibe to me, so yeah definitely Hot AC fodder.
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Post by shakermaker on Aug 29, 2014 20:52:24 GMT -5
1. The problem is, Lorde was pop when she first charted on Alternative, and the fact that she now crossed over to Pop makes it worse. I'm not saying that if you have pop hits, you're no longer Alternative - the problem is that, in this specific instance, Lorde already was pop and now this makes her even more pop. 2. Well, the fact that it was a hometown alternative station that first got them up is just because no one knew who they were back then and there's no way a big-name pop station would play a rising nobody. The fact that an Alt station from their hometown started them up isn't all that surprising, but it's still biased and doesn't make them alternative. Even if it was one station they started it, it doesn't matter, no other ones wanted to seal the deal, the pop stations did. If you say that alternative should be an alternative from the mainstream, then accepting crossovers from Pop is hypocritical because Pop is the single most mainstream format out there. Pop got them popular, so they shouldn't be getting Alternative play. 3. But I don't take issue with Portishead and Massive Attack because, well, they were actually good. Phantogram bores me. I generally enjoy the trip hop genre, but Phantogram just aren't good. But I do guess since I consider Portishead and Massive Attack's brand of trip hop alternative, I have to do the same for Phantogram, even though I don't like them. [...] You're right RE: "still has to be rock". What I should have said was that the alternative to the mainstream "should not be pop" which is what I think songs like "Cool Kids" and "Royals" are. I classify them as straight-up-pop, not "indie pop". So therefore, from that point of view, they'e not alternative. Okay fine, "Best Day of My Life" may have gotten a few spins on Alternative first, but the point is it did not reach the Top 40 until AFTER it became an established pop hit. Same thing with "Tennis Court" - it was hovering below the top 50 before it went top 40 on Pop and then it started shooting up. "Rude" is going to go down as one of the biggest pop songs on the year, so I don't know what you're getting at with that. I do want a new reggae act on Alt, but 311 can come back, not someone from Pop. Even if these songs went for "adds" and got played first on Alt, the point is that they did not get into the Top 50 of Alt until AFTER they became pop hits. I'd say that "Cool Kids" is adult contemporary fodder, which I don't feel is Alternative, and neither does the chart, because once mainstays Matchbox 20 and Goo Goo Dolls took the adult contemporary route, they were blackballed by the format. So in that case, it's not alternative, because I don't think it's an indie pop song. 1-2. Overall the thing much of the points here bringing up Lorde/Echosmith really boil down to what musical genres we believe they fall under, not taking into account radio format success and the like. I believe they fall under indie pop and alternative and are therefore suited for the format, while the contrary opinion is that they're just straight-out pop. It's not necessarily something I agree with, but it's an understandable opinion. 3. Phantogram is also a source of disagreement in terms of actual musical quality but not taking that into account I think both sides can agree with that they are definitely alternative in the same way Portishead and Massive Attack (and the forgotten Sneaker Pimps) are. I don't agree that whether a song is good or not should come into play on determining whether a song is alternative or not, which is being implied in one of the previous posts upthread. 4. Re. "Rude" the point I was really trying to make was that it was receiving rock airplay prior to breaking pop. But I can side with you here because it really is odd to see in the top 40 alt, that's really just a fluke more than anything else as I've said before. Though for pop hits on alternative it doesn't sound as out of place as an all-out mainstream pop song like a Katy Perry song would. "Best Day of My Life" was getting concurrent spins on pop and alternative at the same time - so I don't think it's really an all-out case of "only made it big on alternative after it became big on pop", because if you look at the chart statistics they debuted on both charts in the low 30's range on the exact same week. And I think that a good number of the alternative spins could be attributed to the fact that they'd already had a top 50 alternative hit in the song "Believer" months prior to even breaking pop. I'd say that "Cool Kids" is adult contemporary fodder, which I don't feel is Alternative, and neither does the chart, because once mainstays Matchbox 20 and Goo Goo Dolls took the adult contemporary route, they were blackballed by the format. So in that case, it's not alternative, because I don't think it's an indie pop song. I believe that just because previous alt acts had been blackballed by the format for being too light/pop at the turn of the 2000s doesn't mean newer lighter acts should be blackballed with them. But as mentioned earier in the post I think this is really more a case of diverging personal opinions on whether Echosmith (and Haim, while we're at it) is indie pop or not in musical terms (not radio success). I think they're indie pop, and you and others think they're more adult contemporary pop. Agree to disagree.
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Post by Green Baron on Aug 29, 2014 21:04:42 GMT -5
So yeah, most of this is just based on personal opinion, because I do believe a chink of indie pop is to a sense, alternative, I just don't think Lorde and Echosmith fall into that category. RE: Phantogram, yeah, fine, I guess that since I consider Portishead and Sneaker Pimps while we're at it to be alternative, it's not that far of a stretch to call Phantogram that even though I don't really like them. RE: Best Day of My Life, it broke the Top 40 on Pop and Hot AC a few weeks before it did so on Alt. As for Rude, it's nice to have a reggae song on the chart but it just feels weird that it's one of the biggest pop hits of the year - in fact, I think it made Top 40 on AAA after it did so on Pop. But "Believer" never hit Top 50 Alternative - it's doing good on Hot AC though. There have always been odd Pop songs hitting the Alternative charts - Katy Perry, for example. I do find it funny that "The Chanukah Song" by Adam Sandler hit #25 on the chart back in 1998. It's nice to have a debate about this topic without any sides aggrandizing each other for once.
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Post by shakermaker on Aug 29, 2014 21:19:16 GMT -5
So yeah, most of this is just based on personal opinion, because I do believe a chink of indie pop is to a sense, alternative, I just don't think Lorde and Echosmith fall into that category. RE: Phantogram, yeah, fine, I guess that since I consider Portishead and Sneaker Pimps while we're at it to be alternative, it's not that far of a stretch to call Phantogram that even though I don't really like them. RE: Best Day of My Life, it broke the Top 40 on Pop and Hot AC a few weeks before it did so on Alt. As for Rude, it's nice to have a reggae song on the chart but it just feels weird that it's one of the biggest pop hits of the year - in fact, I think it made Top 40 on AAA after it did so on Pop. But "Believer" never hit Top 50 Alternative - it's doing good on Hot AC though. There have always been odd Pop songs hitting the Alternative charts - Katy Perry, for example. I do find it funny that "The Chanukah Song" by Adam Sandler hit #25 on the chart back in 1998. It's nice to have a debate about this topic without any sides aggrandizing each other for once. I think the "Best Day of My Life" pop stats are from Mediabase, because Billboard has the song debuting on both Alternative Songs and Pop Songs on the week of 1/4/2014 (though it had been charting on Hot AC weeks prior that). "Believer" actually did hit top 50 on alternative on its first release in July 2013 and got as far as #48 ( source), not the re-release that occurred after "Best Day of My Life". And it's true that there have always been pop oddities on alternative. Going back to the 1990s "All That She Wants" and "I'm Too Sexy" were also alt hits. "The Chanukah Song" actually has the record for the most separate chart runs for a song on the alternative chart - it was on the charts for the first weeks of 1996, 1998, and 1999 in the weeks following Chanukah. But, yeah, it's really nice that this debate has really been a civil one, let's keep it that way.
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Post by Green Baron on Aug 29, 2014 21:28:41 GMT -5
So yeah, most of this is just based on personal opinion, because I do believe a chink of indie pop is to a sense, alternative, I just don't think Lorde and Echosmith fall into that category. RE: Phantogram, yeah, fine, I guess that since I consider Portishead and Sneaker Pimps while we're at it to be alternative, it's not that far of a stretch to call Phantogram that even though I don't really like them. RE: Best Day of My Life, it broke the Top 40 on Pop and Hot AC a few weeks before it did so on Alt. As for Rude, it's nice to have a reggae song on the chart but it just feels weird that it's one of the biggest pop hits of the year - in fact, I think it made Top 40 on AAA after it did so on Pop. But "Believer" never hit Top 50 Alternative - it's doing good on Hot AC though. There have always been odd Pop songs hitting the Alternative charts - Katy Perry, for example. I do find it funny that "The Chanukah Song" by Adam Sandler hit #25 on the chart back in 1998. It's nice to have a debate about this topic without any sides aggrandizing each other for once. I think the "Best Day of My Life" pop stats are from Mediabase, because Billboard has both songs debuting on the week of 1/4/2014 (though it had been charting on Hot AC weeks prior that). "Believer" actually did hit top 50 on alternative on its first release in July 2013 and got as far as #48 ( source), not the re-release that occurred after "Best Day of My Life". And it's true that there have always been pop oddities on alternative. Going back to the 1990s "All That She Wants" and "I'm Too Sexy" were also alt hits. "The Chanukah Song" actually has the record for the most separate chart runs for a song on the alternative chart - it was on the charts for the first weeks of 1996, 1998, and 1999 in the weeks following Chanukah. But, yeah, it's really nice that this debate has really been a civil one, let's keep it that way. Oh, "Believer" was sent out back in July 2013? Never knew about that. In that case, I'm not sure if that's a crossover because the fact that it did good on Hot AC isn't because it did well on Alternative - it was because it followed up a megahit. The thing is, most of these pop crossovers are either gone in a few weeks or make a small dent that it doesn't even matter. Although Eminem did have a couple of hits, but I'd say that was because of the hard beats of "Lose Yourself" that didn't seem out of place with Beastie Boys or Rage Against the Machine.
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Post by Doc Indie Party Rock on Aug 29, 2014 23:19:56 GMT -5
Good news about Echosmith. Thier song "Cool Kids" has been #1 on itunes Alt chart for 4 straight weeks. Above Tove Lo, Coldplay and Kongos. Just to name a few.
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Post by Walking Contradiction on Aug 30, 2014 5:46:08 GMT -5
And it's true that there have always been pop oddities on alternative. Going back to the 1990s "All That She Wants" and "I'm Too Sexy" were also alt hits. "The Chanukah Song" actually has the record for the most separate chart runs for a song on the alternative chart - it was on the charts for the first weeks of 1996, 1998, and 1999 in the weeks following Chanukah. I knew about Ace of Base and am not surprised about "The Chanukah Song", but wow... "I'm Too Sexy" on Alt? Not something I'd want to hear on the format today, but I guess that's just another example of how the current state is not too far off from the late 80s/early 90s.
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Post by Lahey's Lucky Star on Aug 30, 2014 8:33:58 GMT -5
If I remember vaguely, "Bangarang" by Skrillex also charted on Alt at one point, so that's how far crossovers can get. Doc Indie Party Rock Not really surprised since this has surpassed them in CHR airplay too.
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Post by Pipa on Aug 30, 2014 10:43:28 GMT -5
The ultimate pop song, Katy Perry's "I Kissed a Girl" even charted on Alt.
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Post by Doc Indie Party Rock on Sept 1, 2014 0:11:34 GMT -5
I asked Echosmith on twitter weather they concider themselves Alt or Pop and guess what? Echosmith themselves agreed that they concider thier music more Alternative Than Pop. They even favourited my tweet. They are still glad to be charting on all geres, but there you go. Straight from the band themselves.
Now aboout Katy Perry? She was Alt before selling out. Both "I kissed A Girl" and "Hot N' Cold" were played on KROQ and 91X and were pretty good. Now she's just a joke of herself. Just like in those movies where they show how ridiculous the band gets once they become huge and sell out. That, what happened to her.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2014 0:19:35 GMT -5
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Post by shakermaker on Sept 1, 2014 3:26:34 GMT -5
If I remember vaguely, "Bangarang" by Skrillex also charted on Alt at one point, so that's how far crossovers can get. On the topic of dance crossovers to alternative, Calvin Harris and Nero also went top 50 in 2012.
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Post by Doc Indie Party Rock on Sept 1, 2014 3:55:32 GMT -5
@happy face guy.
smh= So much hate? At Katy? yeah! I used to respect her. Even thought she was kinda cute, until she had herself burned at the stake at those ridiculous awards show.
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Post by shakermaker on Sept 1, 2014 6:08:00 GMT -5
Top 40 on Alternative:
51 40 ECHOSMITH Cool Kids 190 158 32 0.693
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Post by Green Baron on Sept 1, 2014 9:37:15 GMT -5
If I remember vaguely, "Bangarang" by Skrillex also charted on Alt at one point, so that's how far crossovers can get. On the topic of dance crossovers to alternative, Calvin Harris and Nero also went top 50 in 2012. Yeah, but only one or two mislabeled Pop stations was playing them, so they don't count.
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Post by Green Baron on Sept 1, 2014 9:48:23 GMT -5
I asked Echosmith on twitter weather they concider themselves Alt or Pop and guess what? Echosmith themselves agreed that they concider thier music more Alternative Than Pop. They even favourited my tweet. They are still glad to be charting on all geres, but there you go. Straight from the band themselves. Now aboout Katy Perry? She was Alt before selling out. Both "I kissed A Girl" and "Hot N' Cold" were played on KROQ and 91X and were pretty good. Now she's just a joke of herself. Just like in those movies where they show how ridiculous the band gets once they become huge and sell out. That, what happened to her. I checked Echosmith's Twitter. I don't see it. But the band doesn't get to decide what labels they fit into - that's the general public's job. And Katy Perry sold out before "I Kissed a Girl". That was a pop song through and through, one of the biggest hits of 2008. She used to sing with pop punk bands like Relient K in 2004. She was always pop.
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Post by Pipa on Sept 1, 2014 9:55:39 GMT -5
@happy face guy. smh= So much hate? At Katy? yeah! I used to respect her. Even thought she was kinda cute, until she had herself burned at the stake at those ridiculous awards show. smh = Shakes my head. You're so old.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2014 10:28:32 GMT -5
@happy face guy. smh= So much hate? At Katy? yeah! I used to respect her. Even thought she was kinda cute, until she had herself burned at the stake at those ridiculous awards show. smh = Shakes my head. You're so old. that was mildly amusing, but HAPPY FACE GUY?? drindie u suck
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Post by Doc Indie Party Rock on Sept 2, 2014 1:42:53 GMT -5
I'm old? You gotta be kidding? 36 is young! My girlfriend is 24 and gorgeous! @novaleks. "happy face guy" was meant to be funny. Now's whos old?
Anyway,
Echosmith jumps to top 40 with "Cool Kids' on Alternative Rock all Access report.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2014 8:14:29 GMT -5
I think ur still really old
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Post by Green Baron on Sept 2, 2014 8:17:38 GMT -5
I'm old? You gotta be kidding? 36 is young! My girlfriend is 24 and gorgeous! pics or it didnt happen
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