Ida Maria - I Like You So Much Better When You're

[fran182]

Ida Maria - I Like You So Much Better When You're Naked

Today, it reached top 50 on Mediabase Alternative:

62 50 IDA MARIA I Like You So Much B... 160 95 65 0.530

25 stations playing.

[pen]

It's such a true statement too. I like a lot of people a lot more when they're naked.

[American Idiot]

Although this is a little cheesy, it isn't a bad song either.

[WotUNeed]

Of all artists being pushed to the format:
1) Why is somebody bothering with Ida Maria?
2) Why is it working?

[My Life Is A Stereo]

Mar 9, 2009 22:47:16 GMT -5 WotUNeed said:

Of all artists being pushed to the format:
1) Why is somebody bothering with Ida Maria?
2) Why is it working?

my answer is....diversity.

This is the kind of stuff that the late 80's, early 90's Alternative would play. So I cant hate it because its what I want to see the format get back to.

Leave the metalcore/numetal/hardrock to Active and Mainstream rock channels. I realize its wishful thinking but this kind of stuff at least gives me the glimmer that we will see a reversion to what really is alternative.

[pen]

Mar 10, 2009 4:42:51 GMT -5 My Life Is A Stereo said:

Mar 9, 2009 22:47:16 GMT -5 WotUNeed said:

Of all artists being pushed to the format:
1) Why is somebody bothering with Ida Maria?
2) Why is it working?

my answer is....diversity.

This is the kind of stuff that the late 80's, early 90's Alternative would play. So I cant hate it because its what I want to see the format get back to.

Leave the metalcore/numetal/hardrock to Active and Mainstream rock channels. I realize its wishful thinking but this kind of stuff at least gives me the glimmer that we will see a reversion to what really is alternative.

The only problem I have with your "wishful thinking" is that your definition of alternative seems to translate to "indie"; correct me if I'm wrong. Whereas, alternative should, if we're going by strict definition, mean the alternative to everything else. Since alternative is a rock format, that would be alternative to other rock.

At one point, the nu-metal you think doesn't belong there actually was the alternative to everything else. It was at one point new, fresh, different, and unlike what the other stations were playing. At one point, it was a new untested genre. Just like the bands they're "taking a chance on" now. Difference being that the latter bands are more agreeable with you.

The problem is that once you start playing a band, you attract listeners. And once you stop playing a band, you lose listeners. So once the nu-metal genre came onto Alternative, it couldn't exactly lose them, could it? Cause then they'd lose fans.

I'm not saying I don't agree with the whole "shift harder bands onto Active Rock approach", because certainly that's what Alternative did to adult contemporary bands in the early 00s and beyond. I just think you have to have some respect for the fact that at one point, these bands actually did belong on Alternative, because at one point they were something new and untested.

[pen]

Also your whole "diversity" angle falls flat because you also want to exclude stuff from the format, so I don't really think that should be your motive.

[My Life Is A Stereo]

I don't think you fully understand what I mean by the whole "diversity" thing. I have no issues with alt rock being on alt rock radio. I love alternative rock, I like indie stuff. What I don't understand or better yet what I don't agree with, is that Metallica is NOT alternative. That's just an example. My problem with the formats as they are now is that they are so much the same and they don't leave room for very much interesting college/indie/garage type stuff anymore. Its hard to even decipher it anymore.

Put it this way. I grew up in a different time for alternative radio. I heard it all because I am a few years older than you. Where a station would play Offspring before playing Bjork and then Stereo MC's and some Jesus and Mary Chain. That's the diversity I'm talking about. Where the music was really alternative and all over the map.

Don't get me wrong, I love numetal and all types of music. Just somewhere along the way, Alternative took on a meaning that was way more mainstream than originally started as. I get it. It sells, its money, its still good music. But it really takes away the stuff that was getting a shot on radio in the late 80's, early 90's but is now back to just being sought on college stations. Some might not care. I just personally miss it.

As for excluding from the format...of course I think some things should be excluded, if its not alternative to anything, then what's the point? Also , when "alternative radio" first started it wasn't exclusive to rock music, its just become that over the years. Do you really think we are going to hear groups like the Shamen on Alternative radio ever again? Rock didn't exclusively start alternative, its just took it over somewhere in the mid 90's.

[pen]

Mar 13, 2009 21:21:11 GMT -5 My Life Is A Stereo said:

I don't think you fully understand what I mean by the whole "diversity" thing. I have no issues with alt rock being on alt rock radio. I love alternative rock, I like indie stuff. What I don't understand or better yet what I don't agree with, is that Metallica is NOT alternative. That's just an example. My problem with the formats as they are now is that they are so much the same and they don't leave room for very much interesting college/indie/garage type stuff anymore. Its hard to even decipher it anymore.

Metallica was alternative at one point though is what I mean, and I think that's the point you're missing. But I guess that depends on how you define alternative. There's lots of college/indie/garage type stuff as well, but the thing is, a lot of the college/indie/garage type stuff you want isn't marketable to the mainstream, which is really what radio is at this point.

Put it this way. I grew up in a different time for alternative radio. I heard it all because I am a few years older than you. Where a station would play Offspring before playing Bjork and then Stereo MC's and some Jesus and Mary Chain. That's the diversity I'm talking about. Where the music was really alternative and all over the map.

And now you have Incubus, Pearl Jam, Airborne Toxic Event, MGMT, Shinedown, Anberlin, Papa Roach, Kings Of Leon, and the Killers all in the top ten. That's not diverse?

Don't get me wrong, I love numetal and all types of music. Just somewhere along the way, Alternative took on a meaning that was way more mainstream than originally started as. I get it. It sells, its money, its still good music. But it really takes away the stuff that was getting a shot on radio in the late 80's, early 90's but is now back to just being sought on college stations. Some might not care. I just personally miss it.

So what you want is the days when alternative was not something designed for labels to get their new product to the masses. Well, you know, I'm sure you've heard this before, but that's really what I think online radio is for. The thing is, once something has been overtaken by corporate giants, there's really no way to get it back. Radio is what it is. So alternatives are the only way, really.

As for excluding from the format...of course I think some things should be excluded, if its not alternative to anything, then what's the point? Also , when "alternative radio" first started it wasn't exclusive to rock music, its just become that over the years. Do you really think we are going to hear groups like the Shamen on Alternative radio ever again? Rock didn't exclusively start alternative, its just took it over somewhere in the mid 90's.

I don't know who the Shamen is, but I'm betting they're not a rock group? I get what you're getting at with the history of alternative (which is why I guess Billboard's Modern Rock is more fitting), but it is what it is now, like I said. And let's say Alternative did get back to where they were, then what? Do we design a whole lot of new Modern Rock stations to fill the void? I just don't see how it solves anything really. Alternative is the largest rock format right now, and there's no way in hell you're going to get all of those stations to turn into indie/college stations because so many people lose money or you just end up with a new format that would overshadow Alternative anyway. I'm not sure if I'm making my point very clear right now.

Anyway, I think your best bet is still in online radio. I don't think this is a battle that's going to be won.

[My Life Is A Stereo]

I get what where you are coming from. I don't even really bother with the radio anymore anyway. Its the charts I see that make me cringe sometimes. Maybe the best way to put it is that I would rather see the groups that once upon a time be considered "alternative" come back to being that instead of being dominated largely at times by Active Rock. I guess when it comes down to it, the charts really just don't represent to me what they used to. I don't necessarily want to change alternative, I just wish the indie diversity was still there. You'll never get me to say that Metallica, Slipknot, Theory of a Deadman, or Nickelback are alternative. They are all metal (Metallica, slipknot) or hard rock (the others) with no sign of alternative whatsoever. But they sell records and that's what it really comes down to, so radio, whatever format will find places for them to bring in the listener. I guess everything just come with its time and place.

See I guess the best way to put it is I came from the time when on my radio at work I would hear, Soundgarden, followed by Bjork, Smashing Pumpkins, Wild Strawberries, Cowboy Junkies, and the Gin Blossoms. It went all over the place, from world music, to hard rock/punk, to indie. I realize that it all happened at an early point of alternative and that eventually this niche it has now was going to develop. I'm not even saying it could work now. I'm just saying I miss it.

[My Life Is A Stereo]

Oh and you're right about the Shamen they were not a rock group but they had a great early 90's techno sound. It's just another sound I grew up with.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzbUPISS6gw

[pen]

First, I just want to clarify my point on Metallica. You are speaking of alternative as if it is a musical genre, and honestly, the definition of such a genre is hazy and vague enough that you could put practically anybody in it, provided it meets whatever standards you make for it. It's such a complicated and indefinite suggestion, that it's really no wonder alternative radio is where it is.

But if we're talking about alternative as a concept, say "something different from the usual", then well, Metallica was alternative, because at the time when they broke out with the Black Album, they were something different from the norm. Same with nu-metal when that came around in the late 90s. It may not fit your definition of what alternative should be as a genre though. And that's where we're getting really sketchy.

The problem with creating a station like you want, is that I believe it would be too hard to market. You want more than rock on the station, well what about people who don't want that? Then you'd have to market toward people that do. Do you include mainstream artists or just underground? And you would have to include artists that you're not going to like either, otherwise you're just making the whole thing into a station tailor-made for you. Maybe not only you, but not the large scale audience that alternative currently captures. How far are you willing to run with it?

Not to mention it would be a playlisting nightmare. How do you decide which artists to run with? Which ones not to run with? Where is there room for the major label in this, or isn't there? We've already conceded that radio is pretty much a big commercial for labels to plug their acts to the masses, so are we more or less just cutting the major labels out or are we just more or less condensing pop and hip-hop stations into rock stations as well?

Finally, I find it interesting that you include Soundgarden, Gin Blossoms, and Smashing Pumpkins into alternative. So of today's bands, which do we treat with the same respect and which do we kick out? Is Foo Fighters alternative? What makes Seether and Shinedown not alternative? The Fray? Do you consider Nine Inch Nails alternative? Then why not Stabbing Westward and Gravity Kills? And if them, why not Linkin Park? What makes one band more alternative than another? We're eventually getting into the thorny issue of letting personal preference dictate what belongs and what doesn't. And which acts would you push on alternative? Would they be well received?

So many questions, and not easy answers, I don't think.

[My Life Is A Stereo]

its more about adding to what's there, not deleting what's already being played. But you are right in that it a) is not likely to happen and b) that the definition of alternative was skewered a long time ago as to make it nearly impossible to sort it out now.

For the record though......Enter Sandman got played on my pop station when it came out. I'm a few years older than you so I have the luxury of living through it. In fact, one day while waiting to go home from work, sitting in a work truck, they played Metallica, followed by Color Me Badd's "I Adore Mi Amor".....now that's something you don't see much of these days, lol.

lastly, I'm not really looking for radio to cater to me at all anymore. I hear more songs on radio that I dislike than I do like, which is why I'm thankful to not need radio to tell me what to listen to anymore. :) Your argument is not wrong. I just like living in my dreamworld of what once was. It doesn't matter though, I'll still enjoy the music I like through all the different mediums.

[WotUNeed]

Now that this conversation has basically run its course, I'll freely admit that my point was misinterpreted as being far deeper than intended. I actually prefer the late 80s / early 90s college rock to the current state of the format as well. All I was trying to say is that Ida Maria kind of sucks.

[My Life Is A Stereo]

Mar 21, 2009 1:08:12 GMT -5 WotUNeed said:

Now that this conversation has basically run its course, I'll freely admit that my point was misinterpreted as being far deeper than intended. I actually prefer the late 80s / early 90s college rock to the current state of the format as well. All I was trying to say is that Ida Maria kind of sucks.

lmao.....noted!

Although I don't love it, it's okay. I won't be clammering to listen to it often that's for sure.

[pen]

Mar 21, 2009 0:56:17 GMT -5 My Life Is A Stereo said:

its more about adding to what's there, not deleting what's already being played. But you are right in that it a) is not likely to happen and b) that the definition of alternative was skewered a long time ago as to make it nearly impossible to sort it out now.

For the record though......Enter Sandman got played on my pop station when it came out. I'm a few years older than you so I have the luxury of living through it. In fact, one day while waiting to go home from work, sitting in a work truck, they played Metallica, followed by Color Me Badd's "I Adore Mi Amor".....now that's something you don't see much of these days, lol.

lastly, I'm not really looking for radio to cater to me at all anymore. I hear more songs on radio that I dislike than I do like, which is why I'm thankful to not need radio to tell me what to listen to anymore. :) Your argument is not wrong. I just like living in my dreamworld of what once was. It doesn't matter though, I'll still enjoy the music I like through all the different mediums.

All I can add at this point is

A) I hear ya.

And B) Nostalgia is both a blessing and a curse.

[My Life Is A Stereo]

actually its more like C) getting older sucks balls!!! I just hear Grandpa Simpson " In my day we sat around the ole lemon tree"

[Pipa]

Oh yeah? Well I remember back in the day when not only did the pop station play "Original Prankster", the rock station played it uncensored!

...Or did it even have a radio edit?

[American Idiot]

I remember "Original Prankster" did some have kind of radio edit with a loud horn beeping. It used to always scare the shit out of me when it would come on while I'm driving and I thought some douchebag wanted to have a road rage battle.

[My Life Is A Stereo]

^^^ that made me laugh much more than it should have. I can see you yelling at the guy beside you until the song was over and then realizing what happened

[American Idiot]

Mar 21, 2009 15:07:23 GMT -5 My Life Is A Stereo said:

^^^ that made me laugh much more than it should have. I can see you yelling at the guy beside you until the song was over and then realizing what happened

That was exactly what happened the first time because if I recall, that was the first time I ever heard the song period. I remember looking in all directions wondering what the fuck I did and who was beeping. I think not until I heard the song again and heard the "BEEEEEEEEPPPPP" again did I realize that is was actually a radio edit, but yeah quite a few times it got me like a horrible April Fools Day joke. I think after awhile every time the song came on, I changed the station because of that reason. Now that I think about it, that was around the time when I first got my license. Shit, I must have been scared out of my mind when it happened. Damn you The Offspring! You're one of my favorite bands, but WTF?!?!

[jvandyck87]

Well I guess they're just a bunch of original pranksters then...

[fran182]

Today, it reached top 40 on Mediabase Alternative:

49 40 IDA MARIA I Like You So Much B... 210 182 28 0.669

29 stations playing.

I don't mind that this is charting, as long as it doesn't go much higher than this. It fits on Alternative for sure and it's kinda catchy.

[Pipa]

Mar 21, 2009 15:20:57 GMT -5 American Idiot said:

Mar 21, 2009 15:07:23 GMT -5 My Life Is A Stereo said:

^^^ that made me laugh much more than it should have. I can see you yelling at the guy beside you until the song was over and then realizing what happened

That was exactly what happened the first time because if I recall, that was the first time I ever heard the song period. I remember looking in all directions wondering what the f**k I did and who was beeping. I think not until I heard the song again and heard the "BEEEEEEEEPPPPP" again did I realize that is was actually a radio edit, but yeah quite a few times it got me like a horrible April Fools Day joke. I think after awhile every time the song came on, I changed the station because of that reason. Now that I think about it, that was around the time when I first got my license. s**t, I must have been scared out of my mind when it happened. Damn you The Offspring! You're one of my favorite bands, but WTF?!?!

I was quite shocked by my station playing it uncensored, myself. It was in the middle of the morning, too.

Not that it gets any recurrent play at all, however.

[halo19]

Mar 21, 2009 1:08:12 GMT -5 WotUNeed said:

All I was trying to say is that Ida Maria kind of sucks.

Based on your initial post it sounds like you thought her songs suck much more than just "sort of."

But yeah, this song is annoying on the whole. Next, please.

[jvandyck87]

This may surpass "Lips Of An Angel" as my least favorite song of the decade. It's a shame too, cuz this title has so much promise.

[Nicholas2.0]

According to Blender Ida Maria is kind of like a Sade, Marilyn Manson, Daughtry, or Danzig thing, where she's the namesake, but it's a full band.

...And she fucking dips tobacco! Uggh! Where's the vomiting emoticon when you need it?

Anyway, I heard the song over the weekend on my HD Alt station. Not bad. Not great, either...

[K.]

I love this so much!