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Post by jordie on Sept 9, 2014 10:24:27 GMT -5
They both sold a lot of albums and were very successful and have performed in that Vegas resort. Despite that, it can be argued that both have made little contributions to music, have little lasting songs (both of them get almost no recurrent airplay) although they both have an 'iconic' song (My Heart Will Go On for Celine, BOMT for Britney) due to nostalgia. Neither has real lasting influence or changed pop, as most (worthwhile) artists don't really cite either as an influence unless they're trying to be nice (vocalists cite Whitney/Mariah and dancing artists/performers would cite Janet/Michael/Madonna). Overall both of these artists have a lot in common as you see, but who has had more lasting impact? Lustig primarily managed alternative rockers, who broke out after the mainstream success of Nirvana in 1991. He remembers the moment he saw the expiration date coming for his kind of music: At a party in 1998, he says, “I ran into this publishing exec, who said to me, ‘Boy, I’ve never been so happy to see the end of alternative rock. I love Britney Spears and the Spice Girls!’" "I mean, why struggle to sell challenging, interesting music when you can churn out banal, cookie-cutter, factory-written pop? You can blame this attitude for the shift from artists to performers that still dominates pop music today.” HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT BRITNEY HAS MADE LITTLE CONTRIBUTIONS, NEITHER HAS LASTING INFLUENCE OR CHANGED POP OR THAT SHE DOESN'T SITE AS AN INFLUENCE? You're just from Mars. Just admit it you're stupid. So totally wrong!
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Sept 9, 2014 11:21:52 GMT -5
Someone struck a nerve.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2014 12:13:09 GMT -5
This board is very, very focused on pop princesses, but I think this is probably closer than most think with maybe even a slight tip in Celine's favor. Staff can troll now?
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Post by Luckie Starchild on Sept 9, 2014 20:28:52 GMT -5
How many of Britney's albums have hit #1 on the UK album chart? Just wondering...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2014 20:40:03 GMT -5
How many of Britney's albums have hit #1 on the UK album chart? Just wondering... Britney's Vegas residency was the most successful of all time and Celine had been on the strip for how long by the time Spears got her gig? This is 2014, not 1994. The Industry elites might respect Celiné, but Britney is the most influential woman in music according to most everyone who is anyone in the industry these days. Like, hello? It's obvious!
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Post by Dalliance on Sept 10, 2014 9:00:18 GMT -5
I actually think Celine. Everyone knows of her singing style and certain songs of hers. Britney has actually fallen off and her legacy is fading. Sadly.
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Sept 10, 2014 10:04:42 GMT -5
I think it depends on whose doing the remembering. Celine may be "just a golden voice", but it is a voice that propelled her to sell over 200 million albums and be one of the biggest touring artists (to this day) around. I mean just her first stint in Vegas, "A New Day..." netted over $400 million and her last world tour ("Taking Chances") over $280 million. That kind of impact is undeniable, really. Spears, undoubtedly, has been more of a pop culture staple whose impact is cemented as well, but I don't think Celine's "legacy" is as miniscual as some might make it out to be.
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Post by Caviar on Sept 10, 2014 10:08:44 GMT -5
Celine Dion by a mile. She's influenced a whole generation of singers and maintains a strong brand worldwide. She still knows how to put on a show and she STILL has that voice. Britney is still relevant but not for her music or performance skills.
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Post by think pink. on Sept 10, 2014 13:39:37 GMT -5
Please tell me what Celine is relevant for then?.
If Britney who is selling out her current Vegas residency that is based on her music and performing , is not relevant today for her music and performance skills then what is she relevant for?.
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Post by Glove Slap on Sept 11, 2014 15:05:48 GMT -5
I'm actually surprised it's this close. I figured Britney would be winning with a huge margin. I'm voting for her as well. Celine might end up ranked higher on sales lists, and she might be a better regarded singer (the love for her in French Canada and France is immense too) but Britney definitely had a bigger, and more lasting impact. I was actually talking to someone a few days ago about how the most impactful artists are ones aimed at younger generations and used Celine and Michael Bolton was examples of people who were very successful and sold a lot, but no one really followed in their footsteps that much (Josh Groban maybe?). Sales and impact aren't perfectly correlated. I think some vastly overstate Britney's impact on the impact of pop music itself, but Celine has had pretty much no impact there. And you know, once you get into pop culture...
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Sept 11, 2014 16:25:24 GMT -5
Again, Celine has more than just album sales and a voice tho. Why do people keep ignoring the fact she is like the biggest female touring act, aside from maybe Madonna. How could someone with supposedly little to no impact draw in crowds like that all over the world? Within the limitations of the pop entertainment realm Britney certainly domimates her, but with general worldwide impact (focusing on everday people) I'd say it's not the case.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2014 16:30:19 GMT -5
I love them both, so I hope both will have lasting impact generations from now.
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Post by neally on Sept 11, 2014 19:07:23 GMT -5
How many of Britney's albums have hit #1 on the UK album chart? Just wondering... Britney's Vegas residency was the most successful of all time and Celine had been on the strip for how long by the time Spears got her gig? This is 2014, not 1994. The Industry elites might respect Celiné, but Britney is the most influential woman in music according to most everyone who is anyone in the industry these days. Like, hello? It's obvious! By what measure was Britney's Vegas residency "the most successful of all time" ?
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Post by dbhmr on Sept 11, 2014 19:24:53 GMT -5
Again, Celine has more than just album sales and a voice tho. Why do people keep ignoring the fact she is like the biggest female touring act, aside from maybe Madonna. How could someone with supposedly little to no impact draw in crowds like that all over the world? Within the limitations of the pop entertainment realm Britney certainly domimates her, but with general worldwide impact (focusing on everday people) I'd say it's not the case. I think a lot of it is because of the trends in music we're seeing today. Spice Girls really ushered in this teen pop sensationalism that had nothing to do with vocal talent, which wasn't really the norm in those days of big ballads and singer-songwriters, and Britney maintained that fever pitch but narrowed its focus to one super hot, young-ish girl whose image was its own platform, and the music was there to match. Now, we have a lot of people within that general mode across genres, from Rihanna to Gaga to Kesha to Katy Perry and lesser success stories and one-hit wonders, all following this platform of image + ear-worm pop music = career; talent (and sales, let's be real) don't really have anything to do with it. If there were still an emphasis on voice and people like Josh Groban and, idek, Jill Scott and Joss Stone (I think it's telling that people in Celine's mold don't really exist right now; tbh the closest thing is probably Carrie Underwood), and even people who did have "it" moments like Kelly Clarkson and Christina Aguilera and Jennifer Hudson and Leona Lewis were the ones dominating headlines and awards and sales and tours, then it would be easy to argue that Celine and her career path has had a more lasting impact. But it seems more like Celine came in at the right time and garnered a lot of success and acclaim for her instrument, but it wasn't a style of music that shifted--or even maintained, really--the music landscape in the way that Britney's path did. I do think it's silly to discount Celine's accomplishments, and her industry respect is and will forever be greater than Britney's (who seemed to be at an all-time low but in recent months has started to turn things around, so who knows?) and in a few more decades that may level the playing field a bit; but in terms of actual impact on the music scene today and tomorrow, it's Britney.
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Post by Luckie Starchild on Sept 11, 2014 20:21:55 GMT -5
La chanteuse québécoise has had Top 10 hit singles in France over a thirty-plus-year period.
Au fait.
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Sept 12, 2014 1:58:45 GMT -5
Again, Celine has more than just album sales and a voice tho. Why do people keep ignoring the fact she is like the biggest female touring act, aside from maybe Madonna. How could someone with supposedly little to no impact draw in crowds like that all over the world? Within the limitations of the pop entertainment realm Britney certainly domimates her, but with general worldwide impact (focusing on everday people) I'd say it's not the case. I think a lot of it is because of the trends in music we're seeing today. Spice Girls really ushered in this teen pop sensationalism that had nothing to do with vocal talent, which wasn't really the norm in those days of big ballads and singer-songwriters, and Britney maintained that fever pitch but narrowed its focus to one super hot, young-ish girl whose image was its own platform, and the music was there to match. Now, we have a lot of people within that general mode across genres, from Rihanna to Gaga to Kesha to Katy Perry and lesser success stories and one-hit wonders, all following this platform of image + ear-worm pop music = career; talent (and sales, let's be real) don't really have anything to do with it. If there were still an emphasis on voice and people like Josh Groban and, idek, Jill Scott and Joss Stone (I think it's telling that people in Celine's mold don't really exist right now; tbh the closest thing is probably Carrie Underwood), and even people who did have "it" moments like Kelly Clarkson and Christina Aguilera and Jennifer Hudson and Leona Lewis were the ones dominating headlines and awards and sales and tours, then it would be easy to argue that Celine and her career path has had a more lasting impact. But it seems more like Celine came in at the right time and garnered a lot of success and acclaim for her instrument, but it wasn't a style of music that shifted--or even maintained, really--the music landscape in the way that Britney's path did. I do think it's silly to discount Celine's accomplishments, and her industry respect is and will forever be greater than Britney's (who seemed to be at an all-time low but in recent months has started to turn things around, so who knows?) and in a few more decades that may level the playing field a bit; but in terms of actual impact on the music scene today and tomorrow, it's Britney. I can get behind this!
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Post by kmbgs on Sept 12, 2014 8:50:45 GMT -5
Tough question. I went with Britney, only because I think Celine's "impact" is blunted by the fact that, at least in terms of inspiring future generations of singers, Mariah and Whitney kind of predate her/seem to have made more of an impact. That's not to speak of Celine's success being lesser than the other two divas' (different poll entirely) but just how singular the impact of Britney is and continues to be.
That said, still think it's a closer call than some on here seem to think.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2014 12:15:29 GMT -5
Again, Celine has more than just album sales and a voice tho. Why do people keep ignoring the fact she is like the biggest female touring act, aside from maybe Madonna. How could someone with supposedly little to no impact draw in crowds like that all over the world? Within the limitations of the pop entertainment realm Britney certainly domimates her, but with general worldwide impact (focusing on everday people) I'd say it's not the case. I think a lot of it is because of the trends in music we're seeing today. Spice Girls really ushered in this teen pop sensationalism that had nothing to do with vocal talent, which wasn't really the norm in those days of big ballads and singer-songwriters, and Britney maintained that fever pitch but narrowed its focus to one super hot, young-ish girl whose image was its own platform, and the music was there to match. Now, we have a lot of people within that general mode across genres, from Rihanna to Gaga to Kesha to Katy Perry and lesser success stories and one-hit wonders, all following this platform of image + ear-worm pop music = career; talent (and sales, let's be real) don't really have anything to do with it. If there were still an emphasis on voice and people like Josh Groban and, idek, Jill Scott and Joss Stone (I think it's telling that people in Celine's mold don't really exist right now; tbh the closest thing is probably Carrie Underwood), and even people who did have "it" moments like Kelly Clarkson and Christina Aguilera and Jennifer Hudson and Leona Lewis were the ones dominating headlines and awards and sales and tours, then it would be easy to argue that Celine and her career path has had a more lasting impact. But it seems more like Celine came in at the right time and garnered a lot of success and acclaim for her instrument, but it wasn't a style of music that shifted--or even maintained, really--the music landscape in the way that Britney's path did. I do think it's silly to discount Celine's accomplishments, and her industry respect is and will forever be greater than Britney's (who seemed to be at an all-time low but in recent months has started to turn things around, so who knows?) and in a few more decades that may level the playing field a bit; but in terms of actual impact on the music scene today and tomorrow, it's Britney. Flawless post. I think Celine's style was prefect for her time, but Britney had an advantage where she was able to influence culture and transcend the music in many ways, despite her massive success in that aspect. In the social media age, being able to transcend the music and make a mark in Pop culture is more important than ever; Britney had done that several times, whereas Celine (arguably) is not as memorable in terms of being an influential Pop culture icon for a younger generation.
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Post by Luckie Starchild on Sept 15, 2014 17:18:18 GMT -5
In a post-Princess Diana world, Britney's presence is/has been a reflection of celebrity culture (along with Kim Kardashian, Paris Hilton, etc.). She's had great success but her work has not had a huge impact on the world.
Céline can sell out stadiums in Shanghai so I see her as a bigger deal.
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Post by JamaicaFunk² on Sept 16, 2014 7:34:40 GMT -5
Britney and it's so not even close. The last time Celine had any wide scope of relevancy was probably like 2000. And since 2003, her tours have grossed nearly $1 billion. That's pretty relevant.
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Post by Honeymoon on Sept 16, 2014 8:15:03 GMT -5
They're different spheres, really.
Britney's primarily been an iconic cultural force (though obviously a few of her songs have definitely transcended her as contemporary pop music standards) while Celine's legacy is primarily a musical one without much interference in pop culture as a whole aside from the Titanic connection.
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Post by Dalliance on Sept 22, 2014 15:01:52 GMT -5
They're different spheres, really. Britney's primarily been an iconic cultural force (though obviously a few of her songs have definitely transcended her as contemporary pop music standards) while Celine's legacy is primarily a musical one without much interference in pop culture as a whole aside from the Titanic connection. Is music not a part of pop culture?
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Post by #LisaRinna on Sept 22, 2014 16:10:59 GMT -5
Britney has made more of an impact on culture and I'd say she's become an iconic role model for the new generation of Pop singers who have started citing her as an influence.
The focus has shifted from Madonna to Britney some.
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Post by ClevelandRox on Sept 22, 2014 21:57:01 GMT -5
I don't think the general public can even name a second Celine song after "that one from Titanic".
Britney takes this, hands down.
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