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Post by rbundy1987 on Dec 18, 2014 23:03:39 GMT -5
Okay, now this don't make since This week, Carrie is #38 on Hot 100 while Tim McGraw is #39 and he is #1 on HCS while Carrie is #2. Why is Tim #1 on HCS for Billboard but Carrie is ahead of him for Hot 100? I thought it went by in order of Country songs on top 100 since Carrie is the highest on that list for any Country tunes. Carrie moves up from #52 to #38 this week while Tim moves from #43 to #39. Something is kind of fishy if I may say. Only thing I can think of is radio influence from Christian radio (or elsewhere, I suppose) that pushed Carrie over Tim just the smallest amount. YES, but why is Tim #1 on Hot Country Songs when he really should be #2 on there since he is not the hottest song for Hot 100, understand where I am coming from. Yes, "Shotgun Rider" is currently #1 on Country Airplay but he really should be #2 if Carrie is ahead of him for the Hot 100, maybe I am wrong on this front. Some are wondering on the Carriefans forum page. Some are even writing to Billboard over this latest issue.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2014 23:04:18 GMT -5
Okay, now this don't make since This week, Carrie is #38 on Hot 100 while Tim McGraw is #39 and he is #1 on HCS while Carrie is #2. Why is Tim #1 on HCS for Billboard but Carrie is ahead of him for Hot 100? I thought it went by in order of Country songs on top 100 since Carrie is the highest on that list for any Country tunes. Carrie moves up from #52 to #38 this week while Tim moves from #43 to #39. Something is kind of fishy if I may say. Only thing I can think of is radio influence from Christian radio (or elsewhere, I suppose) that pushed Carrie over Tim just the smallest amount. That still wouldn't make sense though. As far as we know, the Hot Country Songs chart is simply the Hot 100 but only with all the non-country songs removed. The order of country songs on the Hot 100 should be the order that they are on Hot Country Songs--that's the way it's always been since the silly HCS chart first came about 2+ years ago.
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Post by rbundy1987 on Dec 18, 2014 23:07:33 GMT -5
Only thing I can think of is radio influence from Christian radio (or elsewhere, I suppose) that pushed Carrie over Tim just the smallest amount. That still wouldn't make sense though. As far as we know, the Hot Country Songs chart is simply the Hot 100 but only with all the non-country songs removed. The order of country songs on the Hot 100 should be the order that they are on Hot Country Songs--that's the way it's always been since the silly HCS chart first came about 2+ years ago. I am thinking of emailing this Gary Trust dude or even Wade Jessen. Something has to be said about this. jhomes87, your right!!!! The Hot Country Songs chart methodology was changed starting with the October 20, 2012 issue to match the Billboard Hot 100
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Post by nick64 on Dec 18, 2014 23:10:44 GMT -5
Only thing I can think of is radio influence from Christian radio (or elsewhere, I suppose) that pushed Carrie over Tim just the smallest amount. That still wouldn't make sense though. As far as we know, the Hot Country Songs chart is simply the Hot 100 but only with all the non-country songs removed. The order of country songs on the Hot 100 should be the order that they are on Hot Country Songs--that's the way it's always been since the silly HCS chart first came about 2+ years ago. I noticed that the year-end Hot Country Songs chart for 2014 didn't exactly correspond with the Hot 100 year-end chart either. I'm curious to see what makes them different.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2014 23:14:16 GMT -5
Only thing I can think of is radio influence from Christian radio (or elsewhere, I suppose) that pushed Carrie over Tim just the smallest amount. That still wouldn't make sense though. As far as we know, the Hot Country Songs chart is simply the Hot 100 but only with all the non-country songs removed. The order of country songs on the Hot 100 should be the order that they are on Hot Country Songs--that's the way it's always been since the silly HCS chart first came about 2+ years ago. But if Carrie gets 10 spins from a Christian station (said station not being on the country radio Billboard panel) then obviously those spins would not count toward her country airplay chart ranking and therefore not count toward the hot country chart ranking? My assumption is that the hot country chart only counts airplay that is counted in the country airplay chart. I may still be misunderstanding, though.
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Post by nick64 on Dec 18, 2014 23:25:17 GMT -5
That still wouldn't make sense though. As far as we know, the Hot Country Songs chart is simply the Hot 100 but only with all the non-country songs removed. The order of country songs on the Hot 100 should be the order that they are on Hot Country Songs--that's the way it's always been since the silly HCS chart first came about 2+ years ago. But if Carrie gets 10 spins from a Christian station (said station not being on the country radio Billboard panel) then obviously those spins would not count toward her country airplay chart ranking and therefore not count toward the hot country chart ranking? My assumption is that the hot country chart only counts airplay that is counted in the country airplay chart. I may still be misunderstanding, though. It counts all airplay. That's why "We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together" and "Cruise" were able to dominate for weeks. They were pop hits.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2014 23:27:15 GMT -5
That still wouldn't make sense though. As far as we know, the Hot Country Songs chart is simply the Hot 100 but only with all the non-country songs removed. The order of country songs on the Hot 100 should be the order that they are on Hot Country Songs--that's the way it's always been since the silly HCS chart first came about 2+ years ago. But if Carrie gets 10 spins from a Christian station (said station not being on the country radio Billboard panel) then obviously those spins would not count toward her country airplay chart ranking and therefore not count toward the hot country chart ranking? My assumption is that the hot country chart only counts airplay that is counted in the country airplay chart. I may still be misunderstanding, though. No, the Hot Country Songs methodology is the exact same as the Hot 100--it counts airplay from all genres (which is why some, including myself, find the HCS chart to be bogus when it is measuring all-genre airplay, all-genre sales, and all-genre streaming. It's not a genre-specific chart, AT ALL, so why call it Hot Country Songs?) This is why "Cruise" spent like 25 weeks at #1, and why Taylor's "We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together" spent almost 20 weeks at #1 on HCS as well. The song never got any higher than #13 on Country Airplay, but it was a huge hit at CHR and all of that airplay counted towards the "points" on HCS. The airplay that SITW is receiving on Christian radio should already be counting on HCS. ETA: Lol, what nick64 said. We were posting at the same time!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2014 23:35:06 GMT -5
Thanks for the explanations folks :)
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Post by nick64 on Dec 18, 2014 23:39:01 GMT -5
You said it much better though jhomes87 ;) I just noticed that this actually isn't even in the Top 50 for Christian airplay. I'd have thought Christian stations would be jumping all over this. I mean, it's an actual Christian song that's already captured the interest of many, so it seems like a golden opportunity to draw in listeners. I wonder how many spins it's actually getting, and why it isn't being played more.
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Post by rbundy1987 on Dec 18, 2014 23:46:33 GMT -5
You said it much better though jhomes87 ;) I just noticed that this actually isn't even in the Top 50 for Christian airplay. I'd have thought Christian stations would be jumping all over this. I mean, it's an actual Christian song that's already captured the interest of many, so it seems like a golden opportunity to draw in listeners. I wonder how many spins it's actually getting, and why it isn't being played more. It's because they have transitioned to Christmas Music for the holidays but I think "Something In The Water" may show up again after the Christmas holiday.
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Post by nick64 on Dec 18, 2014 23:50:10 GMT -5
You said it much better though jhomes87 ;) I just noticed that this actually isn't even in the Top 50 for Christian airplay. I'd have thought Christian stations would be jumping all over this. I mean, it's an actual Christian song that's already captured the interest of many, so it seems like a golden opportunity to draw in listeners. I wonder how many spins it's actually getting, and why it isn't being played more. It's because they have transitioned to Christmas Music for the holidays but I think "Something In The Water" may show up again after the Christmas holiday. Oh, I hadn't noticed that it actually was in the Top 50 for a little while. I just looked it up, and it lost its bullet in early December, right as Christmas songs started entering, so I think you're right. Hopefully it can rebound after the holidays.
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Post by Uncle Lumpy on Dec 19, 2014 10:46:11 GMT -5
Does anyone know if Carrie was sick this past weekend? While I've never been a Carrie fan ,I've always had nothing but respect for her voice. I heard her on the Opry last weekend though and she sounded like a really bad karaoke singer . I couldn't even decipher what song she was singing til she got to the chorus of "All American Girl" with all the screaming.
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Post by jenglisbe on Dec 19, 2014 11:15:28 GMT -5
You said it much better though jhomes87 ;) I just noticed that this actually isn't even in the Top 50 for Christian airplay. I'd have thought Christian stations would be jumping all over this. I mean, it's an actual Christian song that's already captured the interest of many, so it seems like a golden opportunity to draw in listeners. I wonder how many spins it's actually getting, and why it isn't being played more. But you are thinking like a Carrie fan. It's similar, though, to when Kelly Clarkson made a country song. Country radio isn't necessarily going to jump on a song just because Kelly went country. In re to the Billboard thing, as I explained in another thread, airplay for Country Song runs Monday-Sunday and for the Hot 100 runs Wednesday-Tuesday, no?
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Post by jenglisbe on Dec 19, 2014 11:17:52 GMT -5
A few weeks ago I had imagined a scenario where "Til It's Gone"'s awful iTunes sales caused it to get blocked by "Something in the Water," which got two weeks at #1 on Billboard (one on Mediabase), but after the past few days I am now seeing a scenario where "Til It's Gone" gets to #1 on the second chart of the new year (both Billboard and Mediabase) and Carrie gets blocked on Billboard by Eric Church's "Talladega" which has been gaining on this rapidly lately. Who cares? Radio is all label politics anyway. "SITW" has higher sales and streaming than those other songs, which shows what fans really want to hear.
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Post by NeRD on Dec 19, 2014 11:23:13 GMT -5
Should we be worried about today's update? I know the freeze is on the horizon but most of the other songs in the upper half of the chart gained decently
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2014 11:44:03 GMT -5
I'd think anyone who wanted to end the 25-month drought of female solo Billboard #1 country singles would care, Jenglisbe. Anyway, Eric Church's "Talladega" is selling about equally to this, which looks better for Eric since his song is a fourth single and Carrie's is new material.
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Post by jenglisbe on Dec 19, 2014 11:52:06 GMT -5
I'd think anyone who wanted to end the 25-month drought of female solo Billboard #1 country singles would care, Jenglisbe. Anyway, Eric Church's "Talladega" is selling about equally to this, which looks better for Eric since his song is a fourth single and Carrie's is new material. It's now selling equally, but "SITW" has sold far more overall, no? I am worried about the lack of female representation in country, but that to me is separate from whether or not "SITW" hits #1 at radio. In fact, Carrie getting a #1 there won't really mean anything for the overall landscape of the sexism in country music. If anything, it would allow people to say, "See, a female can still hit #1." I actually think "SITW" not hitting #1 at country radio despite its sales and streaming would make a huge statement.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Dec 19, 2014 13:25:25 GMT -5
You said it much better though jhomes87 ;) I just noticed that this actually isn't even in the Top 50 for Christian airplay. I'd have thought Christian stations would be jumping all over this. I mean, it's an actual Christian song that's already captured the interest of many, so it seems like a golden opportunity to draw in listeners. I wonder how many spins it's actually getting, and why it isn't being played more. But you are thinking like a Carrie fan. It's similar, though, to when Kelly Clarkson made a country song. Country radio isn't necessarily going to jump on a song just because Kelly went country. No one is thinking Carrie's SITW is going to be a #1 smash on the Christian charts, but it is very easy to get into the Top 50 there, much easier than on the country charts (the #1 song on the chart has about the same audience and spins as something in the high 50s of the country airplay chart), and she's had songs chart there before (JTTW and TH). And, as it turns out, she actually was getting some pretty decent airplay there until Christmas music took over, which is a much bigger love affair for that genre.
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Post by rbundy1987 on Dec 30, 2014 13:04:41 GMT -5
Really starting to worry and am kind of concerned about this song's future into early 2015 as today's update may not be anything to be worried really about but "Something In The Water" dropped down 2 spots today to #6 on the Mediabase Top 50. I realize that the chart is still kind of suffering from a Christmas week hangover but I can't figure out why in the world it seems radio or Capitol is pushing Eric Church so hard and that Stoney Creek refuses to give up on "Close Your Eyes" with Parmalee. UM, hello radio, that song is 292 days old, GIVE IT UP!!! RANT DONE, tired of long lasting songs not going away.
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Post by sabre14 on Dec 30, 2014 13:14:20 GMT -5
Really starting to worry and am kind of concerned about this song's future into early 2015 as today's update may not be anything to be worried really about but "Something In The Water" dropped down 2 spots today to #6 on the Mediabase Top 50. I realize that the chart is still kind of suffering from a Christmas week hangover but I can't figure out why in the world it seems radio or Capitol is pushing Eric Church so hard and that Stoney Creek refuses to give up on "Close Your Eyes" with Parmalee. UM, hello radio, that song is 292 days old, GIVE IT UP!!! RANT DONE, tired of long lasting songs not going away. I think Carrie will re-pass Parmalee eventually as I think there's zero chance that Stoney Creek will keep this alive for much longer as a #3 peak is and was the highest they can get. "Talladega" is another story. The chart this week you must take with a grain of salt as all the songs are in limbo til the chart picks back up to normal but Carrie definitely has her work cut out for her in January.
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Post by spencer on Dec 31, 2014 7:02:09 GMT -5
I would like to know how/why Eric Church with significantly fewer spins and lower AI count passed Carrie on the chart? Country radio works in mysterious (shady) ways.
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Post by carriekins on Dec 31, 2014 8:04:15 GMT -5
I would like to know how/why Eric Church with significantly fewer spins and lower AI count passed Carrie on the chart? Country radio works in mysterious (shady) ways. First, Eric only has 8 spins less than Carrie, and only about 240k less audience. Second, Mediabase Country works on a points system, it isn't based solely on AI or spins. Each radio station is given a weight, points are calculated based on that weight, and typically a song with less spins or AI that is gaining at a higher rate will have a larger amount of points, as is the case with Eric vs. Carrie currently. He's gaining more spins/audience per day at heavier weighted stations, and has moved ahead based on that.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2014 8:11:00 GMT -5
I would like to know how/why Eric Church with significantly fewer spins and lower AI count passed Carrie on the chart? Country radio works in mysterious (shady) ways. First, Eric only has 8 spins less than Carrie, and only about 240k less audience. Second, Mediabase Country works on a points system, it isn't based solely on AI or spins. Each radio station is given a weight, points are calculated based on that weight, and typically a song with less spins or AI that is gaining at a higher rate will have a larger amount of points, as is the case with Eric vs. Carrie currently. He's gaining more spins/audience per day at heavier weighted stations, and has moved ahead based on that. Thank you for explaining this because I also was not aware. Isn't it kind of odd that some stations have more "weight" than others, presumably those with larger markets, a factor that is already included in the audience they are contributing to the song? Either way, I do think this one will get a week at the top; whether it is before or after Eric is to be seen. FGL is still about 900 spins and 5 mil audience behind Carrie.
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Post by Marv on Dec 31, 2014 10:50:11 GMT -5
Once the 'holiday hangover' ends with the release of Friday's Mediabase chart around 3:15 AM (PST) & which will be reflected on the updated AllAccess.com chart 45 minutes which will cover a full week of airplay without Christmas music (Dec. 26-Jan. 1), then you can start speculating as usual.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2014 14:47:45 GMT -5
There's really nothing you can take away from the numbers right now. There are very few radio stations that have normal playlists right now because there is really no active promotion going on from any record labels and most playlists are just on autopilot. Bouncing around two positions up or down is not a big deal at all at this time of year. None of the songs are acting normal right now and they won't get back to normal until after the 5th.
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Post by onebuffalo on Dec 31, 2014 15:03:22 GMT -5
I agree. Only eleven bulleted songs for next week's chart. That's only 18% of the chart.
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Post by bornfearless2000 on Jan 1, 2015 10:48:36 GMT -5
#1 Hot Country Song again this week,
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Post by spencer on Jan 1, 2015 13:43:17 GMT -5
I would like to know how/why Eric Church with significantly fewer spins and lower AI count passed Carrie on the chart? Country radio works in mysterious (shady) ways. First, Eric only has 8 spins less than Carrie, and only about 240k less audience. Second, Mediabase Country works on a points system, it isn't based solely on AI or spins. Each radio station is given a weight, points are calculated based on that weight, and typically a song with less spins or AI that is gaining at a higher rate will have a larger amount of points, as is the case with Eric vs. Carrie currently. He's gaining more spins/audience per day at heavier weighted stations, and has moved ahead based on that. Today Carrie is 74 spins ahead and just a fraction less in AIs but Church is still ahead? I would say 74 spin difference is significant.
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Post by carriekins on Jan 1, 2015 14:16:19 GMT -5
Not if those 74 spins are weighted lower, thus given less points. I'm sure the points between the two songs are very close, it's just that for whatever reason, Eric is ahead while his "metrics" are still catching up.
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Post by spencer on Jan 1, 2015 17:20:35 GMT -5
Not if those 74 spins are weighted lower, thus given less points. I'm sure the points between the two songs are very close, it's just that for whatever reason, Eric is ahead while his "metrics" are still catching up. I agree with you when you say that the points between the two songs are very close. But I have this feeling that with an AI difference of .062 and 75 spin lead, Carrie is likely ahead of Eric. And while II would love to know 'the reason' that explains Carrie's / Eric's chart position I think it's something only country radio knows. I'm sure this will straighten itself out in the next few days.
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