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Post by rbundy1987 on Jan 12, 2015 20:45:42 GMT -5
Seems Sony/Arista are going for #1 and for airplay this week as there is an add in the Billboard Country Update for tonight and it says "The #1 Selling Country Song is going for #1 Airplay" :), gosh but this makes me nervous as Eric also has a Power Up add for him by EMI. Now wonder if Kenny Chesney and his label will be satisfied with a #2 peak or will they go for #1 this week as well?? I am thinking his push came from over the weekend and he came up short on Billboard and Mediabase so I take it will be a #2 peak for "Til It's Gone", this is a week to watch!!!!
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Post by carrieidol1 on Jan 12, 2015 21:52:49 GMT -5
Glad to see they're going for it, hope it's not too late.
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Post by Daryl the Beryl on Jan 13, 2015 0:23:08 GMT -5
Luke Bryan's mediocre song better not block this from reaching #1
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2015 2:45:55 GMT -5
Glad to see they're going for it, hope it's not too late. I almost wonder if it's too soon? Carrie's at #4 on tonight's Billboard chart, with 43.5 million, and usually it takes at least 47-48 million to get to #1 (Brad is at nearly 48.2 million right now, for example). It's not impossible for a song to gain 4 million in a week--especially if it's a big "push" week--but I don't think this is the week that Carrie's team should go for it. I can't quite figure out what Sony/Arista has been doing. I understand that they wanted to get Brad to #1 on both Billboard and Mediabase, but it does seem that the label let Brad and Kenny get up the charts a bit faster (all 3 songs were sitting just outside the top 10 at the same time, and then Brad and then Carrie had 2-3 slow weeks while Brad and Kenny motored up ahead). If it weren't for Eric Church and Luke Bryan, then I would think that Sony was actually in a good place right now; if it was just Sony artists (Brad, Kenny, Carrie), they could probably manage the situation so that each of the artists got at least 1 week at #1 at radio. But Eric and Luke are UMG artists, and Eric is featured on the new Keith Urban single that was just sent to radio today, so you can bet that Eric's label wants to get "Talladega" to #1 as soon as possible (and he pulled away from Carrie this week; "Talladega" is now nearly 2 million ahead of SITW). And Luke, meanwhile, is only about 2.3 million behind. Sony has kind of backed themselves into a corner a bit, at least when it comes to SITW...but of course in retrospect it was impossible for them to know a couple of months ago what the charts would look like on January 12. Carrie fans should hope to see a negative update for Chesney in the morning. It does sort of look like Columbia Nashville made a weekend push for a rare Billboard-only #1 for "Til It's Gone", but they came up a little more than 400k short of Brad's audience total. So if Kenny does indeed settle for a #2 peak on both charts, then the battle will come down to just Carrie and Eric this week (Brad is obviously done and will start to fall this week). Carrie is much closer to Eric on Mediabase than she is on Billboard, though...and that's a problem, since the "solo female #1 drought" is on Billboard and not Mediabase. Eric is ahead by 340 points on Mediabase, which isn't much at all, but as I stated above, his Billboard lead over Carrie is 2 million, and that's going to be hard for SITW to overcome. Bottom line, right now it looks like it will be easier for Carrie to get to #1 on Mediabase than it does on Billboard. So if this is the final bulleted week for Carrie, she's more likely to peak at #2 BB/#1 MB (instead of #1 on both charts), and then Eric will be free to score 2 weeks at #1 on BB, and get his lone week atop the Mediabase chart on Sunday the 25th. But if Carrie can keep climbing into next week (19th thru the 25th) she'll better her chances to top both charts. I'm just trying to outline different scenarios--there's still a lot of ways this could go yet.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Jan 13, 2015 6:50:54 GMT -5
I'm not too knowledgable on these things, but could they power it up for two weeks? With Carrie being as close to Eric as she is, if he does stay ahead of her on BB, I feel there may be a chance to sneak past him next week, only if they push hard for SITW this week and next. If there is a song worth it for Sony/Arista, I think it's this one: Platinum, Grammy-nominated, chance to end the 3-year female #1 drought, etc... Here's to hoping!
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Jan 13, 2015 9:08:25 GMT -5
Carrie fans should hope to see a negative update for Chesney in the morning. It does sort of look like Columbia Nashville made a weekend push for a rare Billboard-only #1 for "Til It's Gone", but they came up a little more than 400k short of Brad's audience total. So if Kenny does indeed settle for a #2 peak on both charts, then the battle will come down to just Carrie and Eric this week (Brad is obviously done and will start to fall this week). The thing about big Monday updates like the one "Til It's Gone" had yesterday is that they are, more often than not, indicative of a Mediabase #1 push for the coming week, because the Mediabase week runs from Sunday through Saturday (so from the Monday updates through the Sunday updates). This morning's Mediabase update backs that up, as "Til It's Gone" has taken over the #1 spot with the biggest gain among the top-4 songs. So we can expect "Til It's Gone" not to drop until next Monday's update. I didn't interpret the Arista Nashville ad as indicative of a push for #1 this week. When an ad says "Power up!" (as opposed to "Power up for #1!"), it is typically to urge radio to move the song up in rotation. In this case, "Something in the Water" is looking for the top level of rotation granted the top-three songs, as is "Talladega." I do think, though, that Arista Nashville is planning for a Mediabase #1 push next week (so look for "Something in the Water" to have a big update next Monday), and that this will be a situation similar to "Two Black Cadillacs" where the label snatches a #2 Billboard peak out of the jaws of a #1 Billboard peak by pushing too early. Moreover, I remember simultaneous "Power up!" ads for "Perfect Storm" and "Something in the Water" back when both were just outside the top-10, but in a week where it was clear that neither was actually going to gain top-10 conversions across the board because of a lack of room in the top-10 that particular week. It didn't make me think more highly of Arista Nashville's chart awareness. That being said, Carrie has had a grand total of ZERO country releases miss the top 2 on Billboard, so I think Sony may have had to cut their losses in terms of Brad/Kenny/Carrie on this one. I understand that, but when it comes down to it, they've had to cut their losses with scenarios involving Carrie for her past two singles, TBC and SYA, as well. If it happens with this one, too, then it'll come to an even more confusing and unfair result. It truly doesn't make sense to me that Sony wouldn't want to achieve the bragging rights of having the first solo female #1 single since their very own did it last in October of 2012. In a time like today where the feminist movement is more prevalent than it was just a couple of years ago, when Country radio is still as male-dominant as it has been (and swamped by, in the vast majority, utter trash), and with a song that's as big of a statement as Carrie's debut was ten years ago, it would seem like a no-brainer to me to prioritize this over worrying about anything else. Personally, I connect with this argument. However, I'm not sure that Sony Nashville cares about making a statement about women on country radio. If it did, then I think it would have been blaring "Something in the Water"'s obvious resonance with fans (and for that matter, critics), much more than it has (even the trade ads have done a poor job of conveying how much "Something in the Water" has been outperforming its current chart competition in sales and streaming metrics). If Sony Nashville were interested in making a statement about women on country radio, it wouldn't have put "Perfect Storm" and "Til It's Gone" in line in front of "Something in the Water" when "Something in the Water" was connecting so powerfully. If Sony Nashville were interested in making a statement about women on country radio, it wouldn't have dropped Sara Evans so far down in its promotional pecking order at radio. If Sony Nashville were interested in making a statement about women on country radio, I don't think we would have seen this much of a gap between Platinum singles for Miranda Lambert (though the single switch surely didn't help). If Sony Nashville were interested in making a statement about women on country radio, I think it would have spent some more time developing Leah Turner instead of dropping her after fast-tracking her to radio. In general, I don't think Sony Nashville under Gary Overton has shown much inclination to lead or to be in front of industry trends (this is why I predicted that Overton would exit as label head this year). It's not that I think that Sony Nashville is deliberately slowing down any of its women. I just don't think Sony Nashville has shown any inclination to put up the extra fight for its female artists that they sometimes need in an unfavorable radio landscape. UMG Nashville and Big Machine Label Group are the ones that seem willing to do extra strategizing and extra fighting. When it comes to gender issues in the country world, I think Sony Nashville is content to coast by on the fact that the only two current country female A-listers, both of whom outperform their male peers when it comes to respect and acclaim, are on its roster. In any event, I agree that "Something in the Water" missing #1 (at least at Billboard) would be a worse outcome than "Two Black Cadillacs" and especially "See You Again" missing Billboard #1. The reception to the song has been better and far more powerful than I anticipated when I first heard the song (which is an indictment of my hit instinct more than anything else), but I'll be disappointed if that reception doesn't translate into a #1 on both charts. Unless Sony Nashville shows a flexibility in its promotional plans that it has failed to show in the past couple of years though, I agree with those who think "Something in the Water" will have to settle for a Mediabase-only #1 at best.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2015 23:54:25 GMT -5
Well, unfortunately for Carrie, Kenny has kept gaining fairly strong over the last couple of days, so it looks like "Til It's Gone" will finish this week at #1 on Mediabase (although I wouldn't be surprised to see Eric Church steal the Billboard #1 away from Kenny on the last day, given that Kenny's "push" started last weekend).
Carrie is just in a really tough spot on the charts. Songs 1-7 are all by superstars--Brad, Kenny, Eric, Carrie, Tim, Luke, and FGL. The gap between each of the songs is pretty small (the 2.3 million gap between Eric and Kenny was the biggest space), and there's only 9 million between #1 Brad (going off of Monday's Billboard numbers) and #7 FGL. Brad's done now, and Tim is falling as well, but that still leaves 5 other songs still vying for #1, and there's just no way they are all going to make it (well, maybe they can all get there on MB, but I don't see how it will be possible on BB). Six songs above 41 million, and #7 FGL is over 39 million. I'd have to go back and look, but I don't know if we've ever had 6 songs above 41 million simultaneously. Maybe it happened once or twice last year though. In any case, this is about the most competitive top of the chart I've ever seen. Some pretty poor timing for the peak 'window' for SITW, which could have been avoided if it had stayed ahead of Brad and Kenny...
Luke Bryan gained 161 spins and almost 1.2 million in audience on Mediabase this morning. His bullet is at 1009 (!!!). "I See You" is the pursuer, and "Talladega" is the one ahead of Carrie, and right now both of those songs are doing better (especially Luke). Carrie's team isn't going to get to #1 on either chart this weekend, so their only hope is to keep pushing into next week and see how things start to take shape. There's really nothing they can do, not when they've fallen this far behind Eric Church (SITW isn't too far behind, but the gap is big enough), when Kenny has a solid grip on #1, and when radio is salivating over all things Luke Bryan, as if his music is the best thing since sliced bread.
I'm not saying SITW can't get to #1, but I think that, out of the 5 songs, SITW has the lowest chance of getting to #1, particularly on Billboard. And like I said above, it just seems that someone (or even 2 people) is going to have to miss out.
Probably 50 weeks out of the year, SITW would have made it to #1 with relative ease. But it just happens to be peaking at almost the exact same time that singles by Brad, Kenny, Eric, and Luke are all peaking.
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Post by 14887fan on Jan 15, 2015 1:24:54 GMT -5
Welp, at least her Top 2 streak will still be intact. I've already posted my true sentiments regarding this song missing #1, though, so I guess I can just summarize it all up one last time with this: ugh.
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Post by onebuffalo on Jan 15, 2015 9:17:07 GMT -5
jhomes87 I would interested to see if you can find a week where it was this tight of a race in the top 7. how odd how all the big stars are competing in January instead of during the weeks leading up to Christmas. I find that more strange. When you stop to think about it, the 'competition' started fifteen weeks ago when Carrie Underwood debuted. The weeks the top five songs have been on the charts: 1. Perfect Storm-20 weeks 2. Til It's Gone-16 3. Talladega-17 4. Something In The Water-15 5. Shotgun Rider-19 To think, this song is the lead single from Underwood's first greatest hits CD. Arista should have kept its foot on the accelerator the entire time. Looking at this thread, a lot of people were saying Underwood should have been #1 this month. Not going to happen. Even if this song does preserve her top two streak, many people will see it as a failure because of the magnitude of the song. Very religious and it came out just before Christmas. What more do you want to create the most perfect circumstances for Underwood getting a #1 here (I know it's tops on the mongrel chart). Luke Bryan's ten week old SIXTH single has a better chance of hitting the top than Something In The Water. That's a shame. Underwood remains the last female to top the airplay chart (in 2012!). If they release Little Toy Guns, I hope that can get to the top so the greatest hits CD would be a 'success' in getting a #1.
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Post by bornfearless2000 on Jan 15, 2015 9:36:40 GMT -5
#1 again on Billboard Hot Country Songs, having topped the chart for 6 weeks so far.
I still think SITW will eventually reach #1 on country radio,maybe a little longer after Kenny 1 weeks, Dierks 1 week and Luke 1 week.
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Post by onebuffalo on Jan 15, 2015 9:50:35 GMT -5
#1 again on Billboard Hot Country Songs, having topped the chart for 6 weeks so far. I still think SITW will eventually reach #1 on country radio,maybe a little longer after Kenny 1 weeks, Dierks 1 week and Luke 1 week. I hope Carrie Underwood does not have to wait for Dierks Bentley. He is at #23 for the week. Anyway, you are correct. Carrie Underwood leads the mongrel chart for the sixth week. That ties her stay at the top with her first #1, Jesus, Take The Wheel from 2006. She is at #3 in sales and streaming. I see where Sam Hunt is #1 in both categories, but with different songs.
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Post by bornfearless2000 on Jan 15, 2015 10:07:39 GMT -5
#1 again on Billboard Hot Country Songs, having topped the chart for 6 weeks so far. I still think SITW will eventually reach #1 on country radio,maybe a little longer after Kenny 1 weeks, Dierks 1 week and Luke 1 week. I hope Carrie Underwood does not have to wait for Dierks Bentley. He is at #23 for the week. Anyway, you are correct. Carrie Underwood leads the mongrel chart for the sixth week. That ties her stay at the top with her first #1, Jesus, Take The Wheel from 2006. She is at #3 in sales and streaming. I see where Sam Hunt is #1 in both categories, but with different songs. Oopss... i mean Eric Church
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Post by NeRD on Jan 15, 2015 14:35:33 GMT -5
I just don't get how Country radio works. It just baffles me. So I just simply sit back and look, hoping on one of the daily updates I'll see Carrie #1 in audience. lol
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Post by Zazie on Jan 16, 2015 10:18:47 GMT -5
Luke Bryan's sure gaining fast in airplay. Another +800k today. JHomes' clever idea that Chesney could be bypassed entirely on the Billboard airplay chart is the only way Underwood has a clear shot at hitting #1 in airplay. Otherwise, it's no longer looking as if she can hold off Bryan for 2 more weeks, and his song is acting like a 2- or 3-week #1 when it gets there.
But Chesney isn't starting to fade yet -- he's pretty much stayed even with Church in airplay, according to MB, since Monday. (And the gap between the songs has been over 2.5 mill all week.) So even the 1 million drop by Chesney on Monday is not necessarily going to be enough -- maybe not nearly enough. We have a few days still to watch, but Chesney has to be considered likely to get a week at #1 on BB.
If SITW does fall short, it will be time for everybody to pile on and criticize her label's strategy -- but I don't know if there was a better path for her to take. Everyone can look right after the event. If she peaks at #3, but can brag on the multi-multi-week #1 run on Hot Country Songs, the needs of the label will have been addressed pretty clearly. And one #1 looks very much like another, unless you're really, really focused on the charts (as we are here).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2015 11:00:00 GMT -5
I do agree with Zazie here. Carrie won't repass Kenny by this point. I doubt he has more than one week at the top and should start falling pretty quickly. That being said, I do expect next week to be 1)Eric, 2)Luke, 3)Carrie. She should be able to sustain things long enough to hold the number 2 spot after Eric drops. The only way I think she can take number 1 is to either wait until Luke is done (which very well may be 2 or 3 weeks at the top as Zazie pointed out) or have a massive push to number 1 right after Luke gets his first week at the top. I do think that is a reasonable option, which would leave a very interesting scenario, as I think after such a push Carrie would fall a bit but Luke would remain put. I wouldn't be surprised if the next couple of weeks at the top went Kenny, Eric, Luke, Carrie, Luke.
As a side note, I do think FGL will miss #1 altogether, with Randy, Thomas, Jason, or Blake all coming up hot behind.
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Post by jptexas on Jan 16, 2015 11:04:20 GMT -5
I can understand Brad's and Eric's position on the country charts, they're songs are selling well on iTunes. But Kenny's song Till Its Gone has been floundering on iTunes and currently is at number 31. SITW has sold almost 750k showing its power and popularity, and it's at week 7 on the hot country song peak not to mention its contribution to Carrie's Grammy nod for her vocal performance. It should have been number one for at least a week if not more. I guess country radio has they're own favories, oh I meant criteria for who they decide to play.
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Post by dm2081 on Jan 16, 2015 11:34:58 GMT -5
I do agree with Zazie here. Carrie won't repass Kenny by this point. I doubt he has more than one week at the top and should start falling pretty quickly. That being said, I do expect next week to be 1)Eric, 2)Luke, 3)Carrie. She should be able to sustain things long enough to hold the number 2 spot after Eric drops. The only way I think she can take number 1 is to either wait until Luke is done (which very well may be 2 or 3 weeks at the top as Zazie pointed out) or have a massive push to number 1 right after Luke gets his first week at the top. I do think that is a reasonable option, which would leave a very interesting scenario, as I think after such a push Carrie would fall a bit but Luke would remain put. I wouldn't be surprised if the next couple of weeks at the top went Kenny, Eric, Luke, Carrie, Luke. As a side note, I do think FGL will miss #1 altogether, with Randy, Thomas, Jason, or Blake all coming up hot behind. There certainly won't be a splitting of weeks between Carrie and Luke. If Kenny really does get the Billboard #1 this week, which looks very likely, then Carrie's best and really only shot will be to go all out the next week, but with Eric Church so many spins ahead and up a decent chunk in audience, I just don't see it happening. My guess is she'll settle for a #2 peak next week behind Eric.
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Post by Zazie on Jan 16, 2015 14:00:22 GMT -5
I can understand Brad's and Eric's position on the country charts, they're songs are selling well on iTunes. But Kenny's song Till Its Gone has been floundering on iTunes and currently is at number 31. SITW has sold almost 750k showing its power and popularity, and it's at week 7 on the hot country song peak not to mention its contribution to Carrie's Grammy nod for her vocal performance. It should have been number one for at least a week if not more. I guess country radio has they're own favories, oh I meant criteria for who they decide to play. So you think there's something wrong with country radio if, in a given week, the sales chart behaves differently from the airplay chart? Why even have separate charts for sales and airplay if they're supposed to respond the same way to every song? Seems to me that SITW was a super-powerful seller that wasn't quite as much loved in terms of airplay. Underwood has typically performed spectacularly well in airplay, although a tiny bit less so in the last couple of years. I guess you could make the argument that the anti-woman attitude in country airplay stacked the deck against SIMC, and that gender bias is what made it impossible for her to hit the top. I don't see it that way, but I see why you might say it. But I just can't follow the line that says that sales chart performance should exactly predict airplay performance. Two different things, lots of different factors.
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Post by rsmatto on Jan 16, 2015 14:25:17 GMT -5
"Something In The Water" is not done yet. Why do *some* Carrie fans take everything as a slight if their favorite song doesn't hit #1 quick enough. this one should STILL get #1 soon and it's not even that OLD yet.
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Jan 16, 2015 15:32:40 GMT -5
"Something In The Water" is not done yet. Why do *some* Carrie fans take everything as a slight if their favorite song doesn't hit #1 quick enough. this one should STILL get #1 soon and it's not even that OLD yet. This is a case, I think, of experienced chart watchers looking at what is happening this week and not seeing a window for "Something in the Water" to hit #1 with the way things are going. So the griping is not about speed, it is about getting to #1 at all. I can understand Brad's and Eric's position on the country charts, they're songs are selling well on iTunes. But Kenny's song Till Its Gone has been floundering on iTunes and currently is at number 31. SITW has sold almost 750k showing its power and popularity, and it's at week 7 on the hot country song peak not to mention its contribution to Carrie's Grammy nod for her vocal performance. It should have been number one for at least a week if not more. I guess country radio has they're own favories, oh I meant criteria for who they decide to play. So you think there's something wrong with country radio if, in a given week, the sales chart behaves differently from the airplay chart? Why even have separate charts for sales and airplay if they're supposed to respond the same way to every song? While I agree that it is silly to suggest that Carrie hasn't been among country radio's favorites for the past nine-plus years, I again go back to our ever-elusive quest to approximate popularity, since based on the way radio bills itself, the #1 song is the most popular song among its audience. Sales are certainly not the only indicator of popularity -- they are indicative of songs that inspire the most active participation (i.e., purchasing). Streaming popularity, somewhat similarly, indicates the songs that music listeners who seek out their favorite songs are most inclined to choose. Radio is programmed, as I mentioned earlier, to a broader audience that includes passive music listeners, and tune-out becomes a consideration alongside tune-in. But we all know that thanks to centralized corporate decision-making and label manipulations, the #1 airplay song is not necessarily representative of surpassing popularity among radio listeners, either. Seems to me that SITW was a super-powerful seller that wasn't quite as much loved in terms of airplay. I am going to disagree a little here because I think the current situation is so much the by-product of a decision Sony Nashville made weeks ago, a decision that reflects a misread of the particular circumstances faced by female singles at radio these days. "Something in the Water" hit #1 on the Aircheck Activator chart this week, and is at #2 this week on the Indicator chart with what seems like a strong chance of taking over #1 next week. Its smooth run on both is a sign to me that SitW had all the makings of a song that was "loved" to an airplay #1 as well. The reason Sony Nashville's strategy will come under criticism, I think, will be its decision to move both "Perfect Storm" and "'Til It's Gone" ahead when all three were on the cusp of the top-10. I commented at the time that it was an odd thing to do when sales metrics indicated that "Something in the Water" was connecting so especially well at that point. Why is this important? As I noted in my previous post, female songs have always been more polarizing to country radio listeners accustomed to male voices, and so their arcs tend to be characterized with higher and quicker-building fatigue (alongside stronger positive feelings in the case of songs like this one). Because of this, the trajectory of female singles at country radio depends more strongly on the strength of active listeners' passion. There was a natural arc to SitW's appeal, and the aforementioned sales metrics indicate a leveling off in that appeal at this point (though its streams did increase last week and SitW remains well ahead of the other top airplay songs in streaming metrics as well). Meanwhile, the songs from Eric and Luke have started to move up in those same metrics, weakening Sony Nashville's case for pushing SitW over their singles. With all of that in mind, the current scenario at radio, where "Something in the Water" could be blocked from #1 altogether, was set in motion when Sony Nashville deliberately separated the song's radio trajectory from its appeal. "Something in the Water" had its third best sales week to date the week after Christmas, selling 75K downloads. That was the natural time for it to hit #1 on the airplay charts, or at least make a surge that would put it in position to take over there. But that was when "Perfect Storm," a song whose sales had leveled off long before but that Sony had moved ahead of "Something in the Water," was getting pushed to #1. "'Til It's Gone" is a classic case of a song hitting the radio jackpot because it inspires minimal tuneout from passive listeners despite inspiring little more than indifference from active listeners. Personally, I think it would be fair if it were blocked from #1 altogether (by "Something in the Water" in a just airplay world, by "Talladega" in the real one), because a song with that level of exposure translating into such little active listener appeal is just coasting. The bottom line for me is that I'm seeing a mismanaged chart run for "Something in the Water." I think that Sony Nashville has shown a pattern of that with both Carrie & Miranda singles from the past couple of years, and among other things, it annoys me that its promotion teams don't seem to be learning their lessons.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2015 15:33:45 GMT -5
^Thank you. People just need to calm down. Discussion should be open but please don't anybody throw themselves off a cliff if a song didn't hit #1 in 10 weeks.
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Post by Marv on Jan 16, 2015 17:55:12 GMT -5
There are some folks on her board upset with the fact that she hasn't hit #1 yet and were also furious that Tim spent a month in the penthouse which happens a lot during December, since many radio stations go into autopilot mode in mid-December or about the time that Tim got his second week @ #1.
I had expected this to reach #1 by Super Bowl Sunday which is two weeks from Sunday, so even with the absurd gain in spins from Luke's latest snoozefest, I still expect her to reach #1, even if it takes an extra couple of weeks
I don't see another 3-4 week charttopper currently on the chart either.
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Post by jptexas on Jan 16, 2015 20:03:29 GMT -5
^^what he said
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Post by jenglisbe on Jan 16, 2015 20:23:05 GMT -5
I'll be livid if they send Kenny to #1 on Billboard and settle for yet another #2 peak. I agree. This song has all the makings of a multi-week number one hit so I already feel like we'd be settling if she got a week at number one. Anything less than that would only further strengthen my disappointment in the current state of country radio. Maybe consider that the state of country radio doesn't even deserve respect if getting #1s is about whether or not labels decide that it will happen.
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Post by matty005 on Jan 16, 2015 20:28:45 GMT -5
I agree. This song has all the makings of a multi-week number one hit so I already feel like we'd be settling if she got a week at number one. Anything less than that would only further strengthen my disappointment in the current state of country radio. Maybe consider that the state of country radio doesn't even deserve respect if getting #1s is about whether or not labels decide that it will happen. This is a big hit whether or not it hits #1. If people don't respect country radio, I understand. But then that should mean this shouldnt be a big deal if it doesn't reach the top.
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Post by surfy on Jan 16, 2015 20:58:47 GMT -5
So is the rigging on country radio even worse than other genres? Or is it just more obvious? I keep hearing a lot about manipulation and pushing it to #1 and stuff, so I'm curious.
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Post by onebuffalo on Jan 17, 2015 9:02:37 GMT -5
So is the rigging on country radio even worse than other genres? Or is it just more obvious? I keep hearing a lot about manipulation and pushing it to #1 and stuff, so I'm curious. Probably more obvious. Sony would be doing themselves a favor and getting their trio of artists (Brad Paisley, Kenny Chesney, and Carrie Underwood) #1s here. Not ALL will get there, though.
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Post by jptexas on Jan 17, 2015 10:21:09 GMT -5
I can understand Brad's and Eric's position on the country charts, they're songs are selling well on iTunes. But Kenny's song Till Its Gone has been floundering on iTunes and currently is at number 31. SITW has sold almost 750k showing its power and popularity, and it's at week 7 on the hot country song peak not to mention its contribution to Carrie's Grammy nod for her vocal performance. It should have been number one for at least a week if not more. I guess country radio has they're own favories, oh I meant criteria for who they decide to play. So you think there's something wrong with country radio if, in a given week, the sales chart behaves differently from the airplay chart? Why even have separate charts for sales and airplay if they're supposed to respond the same way to every song? Seems to me that SITW was a super-powerful seller that wasn't quite as much loved in terms of airplay. Underwood has typically performed spectacularly well in airplay, although a tiny bit less so in the last couple of years. I guess you could make the argument that the anti-woman attitude in country airplay stacked the deck against SIMC, and that gender bias is what made it impossible for her to hit the top. I don't see it that way, but I see why you might say it. But I just can't follow the line that says that sales chart performance should exactly predict airplay performance. Two different things, lots of different factors. Sales are an indicator of song popularity along with streaming. Whether radio play should reflect that is debatable but it seems program directors should at least notice these figures and apply that to their format. They could ask themselves why are we pushing a song that is number 40 on iTunes and holding back one that's three quarters of the way towads platinum. Unless, well you know.
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Post by matty005 on Jan 17, 2015 11:59:26 GMT -5
So you think there's something wrong with country radio if, in a given week, the sales chart behaves differently from the airplay chart? Why even have separate charts for sales and airplay if they're supposed to respond the same way to every song? Seems to me that SITW was a super-powerful seller that wasn't quite as much loved in terms of airplay. Underwood has typically performed spectacularly well in airplay, although a tiny bit less so in the last couple of years. I guess you could make the argument that the anti-woman attitude in country airplay stacked the deck against SIMC, and that gender bias is what made it impossible for her to hit the top. I don't see it that way, but I see why you might say it. But I just can't follow the line that says that sales chart performance should exactly predict airplay performance. Two different things, lots of different factors. Sales are an indicator of song popularity along with streaming. Whether radio play should reflect that is debatable but it seems program directors should at least notice these figures and apply that to their format. They could ask themselves why are we pushing a song that is number 40 on iTunes and holding back one that's three quarters of the way towads platinum. Unless, well you know. You act like country radio isn't playing it though. It would be one thing to use your argument if this wasn't in the top 10 or top 5, but it totally is. Radio is playing it more than almost every song out there so I have no clue what you're trying to say here. A top 3 hit is no way, "holding it back."
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Post by jptexas on Jan 17, 2015 12:33:16 GMT -5
Sales are an indicator of song popularity along with streaming. Whether radio play should reflect that is debatable but it seems program directors should at least notice these figures and apply that to their format. They could ask themselves why are we pushing a song that is number 40 on iTunes and holding back one that's three quarters of the way towads platinum. Unless, well you know. You act like country radio isn't playing it though. It would be one thing to use your argument if this wasn't in the top 10 or top 5, but it totally is. Radio is playing it more than almost every song out there so I have no clue what you're trying to say here. A top 3 hit is no way, "holding it back." My bad, maybe not holding it back, but it seems SITW should have got there before Kenny. If it doesn't reach the top, and I'm hoping it does, it'll be because of Kenny, and Tim's multi week stay at the top. Good song, but all those weeks, I don't think so. Jmo
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