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Post by countrysuperfan on Oct 3, 2014 4:57:08 GMT -5
She doesn't say that the Christian experience IS the solution but it's her solution. There is a difference. Well there is no point in arguing over this because in this example, I don't believe this is a difference. Enjoy the song. Not everyone has to. I am almost 100% I will love the next single she releases. I agree. It seems we are only getting 3 types of songs from Carrie now: 1. Preachy Jesus songs 2. Vixen/man-hating uptempos 3. Sinister story midtempos (BA, TBC, although I love these songs) She should really be having her 'I Will Always Love You' level hits at this point of her career, not her Jesus Take The Wheel 4.0. Disappointing.
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Post by jptexas on Oct 3, 2014 11:33:55 GMT -5
I was just thinking that this wasn't too over the top in the Christian music department but then the church choir kicked in and Carrie ends the song with a few lines of Amazing Grace. Could they have tried any harder? lol It is almost comical and ruined the entire song for me. On the plus side, her voice is as good as ever. Wow, adding Amazing Grace to the song made it comical and ruined the song for you. I'm not particularly religious but more in spiritual realm. That statement actually makes me feel sorry for you. I know, you probably don't care if I Do or not, but yea, I do.
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Post by 14887fan on Oct 3, 2014 17:16:21 GMT -5
God forbid someone have a negative opinion on this song, or any other song, that Carrie puts out. God forbid anyone think this song is too preachy for them. God forbid anyone doesn't like, or at least like THIS, religious connotation in a song.
Seriously, is it IMPOSSIBLE for some of you to respect others' opinions. Contrary to what you may think, Carrie isn't Mother Theresa and she doesn't appeal to every single breathing life form that stands on this earth.
Glad to see this song is holding so well on iTunes. *knock on wood* Hope its hold can continue.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Oct 3, 2014 17:24:54 GMT -5
God forbid someone have a negative opinion on this song, or any other song, that Carrie puts out. God forbid anyone think this song is too preachy for them. God forbid anyone doesn't like, or at least like THIS, religious connotation in a song. Seriously, is it IMPOSSIBLE for some of you to respect others' opinions. Contrary to what you may think, Carrie isn't Mother Theresa and she doesn't appeal to every single breathing life form that stands on this earth. Glad to see this song is holding so well on iTunes. *knock on wood* Hope its hold can continue. Not only is it holding, all day today it has been increasing! It fell to #4 for a short time, but has now comfortably moved back to #3; steadily increasing for the past ~9 hours. Haters gon' hate, as they say, but the overwhelming love for this song is undeniable!
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Post by matty005 on Oct 3, 2014 18:31:52 GMT -5
God forbid someone have a negative opinion on this song, or any other song, that Carrie puts out. God forbid anyone think this song is too preachy for them. God forbid anyone doesn't like, or at least like THIS, religious connotation in a song. Seriously, is it IMPOSSIBLE for some of you to respect others' opinions. Contrary to what you may think, Carrie isn't Mother Theresa and she doesn't appeal to every single breathing life form that stands on this earth. Glad to see this song is holding so well on iTunes. *knock on wood* Hope its hold can continue. Not only is it holding, all day today it has been increasing! It fell to #4 for a short time, but has now comfortably moved back to #3; steadily increasing for the past ~9 hours. Haters gon' hate, as they say, but the overwhelming love for this song is undeniable! I tried biting my tongue here, but because people don't like a song doesn't mean they're hating. I adore Carrie and always will that doesn't mean every single song she puts out is the best. It doesn't mean every live performance she does she nails. It doesn't mean every album she puts out is the world's greatest. It's hard to take people's comments for any worth when they say this for every thing Carrie does. Edit: I don't like the song because it's about a subject I don't believe/agree with. If this song was about how Carrie turned to Allah and Islam saved her, I bet a lot of people would not like it as much because they couldn't relate. It wouldn't be because they're "haters."
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Post by carrieidol1 on Oct 3, 2014 19:01:27 GMT -5
Not only is it holding, all day today it has been increasing! It fell to #4 for a short time, but has now comfortably moved back to #3; steadily increasing for the past ~9 hours. Haters gon' hate, as they say, but the overwhelming love for this song is undeniable! I tried biting my tongue here, but because people don't like a song doesn't mean they're hating. I adore Carrie and always will that doesn't mean every single song she puts out is the best. It doesn't mean every live performance she does she nails. It doesn't mean every album she puts out is the best ever. It's hard to take people's comments for any worth when they say this for every thing Carrie does. I shouldn't have used that phrase, sorry. I didn't mean to insinuate at all that people who dislike the song are "haters"... I didn't look closely enough at the definition of the phrase before posting. I apologize. With this said, there are a select few comments here that have been rather hateful, and I don't think they help the situation at all.
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Post by bigb0882 on Oct 3, 2014 22:01:15 GMT -5
I was just thinking that this wasn't too over the top in the Christian music department but then the church choir kicked in and Carrie ends the song with a few lines of Amazing Grace. Could they have tried any harder? lol It is almost comical and ruined the entire song for me. On the plus side, her voice is as good as ever. Wow, adding Amazing Grace to the song made it comical and ruined the song for you. I'm not particularly religious but more in spiritual realm. That statement actually makes me feel sorry for you. I know, you probably don't care if I Do or not, but yea, I do. It didn't ruin it for me because I have a problem with the message or anything, it ruined the song because it was just so trite. It came across as trying too hard to appeal to a certain base. The song had a very clear message without going that route. No need to feel sorry for me because I think a song crossed a line between having a solid message and trying too hard to make sure every last person got the message with the use of one of the most recognized religious songs every recorded.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2014 22:04:14 GMT -5
My projections have Carrie heading toward a possible #18 debut on Monday's Billboard Country Airplay chart. Here's the current Billboard RTT:
Country No.1 Luke Bryan Roller Coaster +142963 Carrie Underwood Something In The Water
With 3 days to go in the chart week, I'm thinking that it wouldn't be too difficult for SITW to gain another 3 to 3.5 million on Billboard, and finish the week with around 17.5 million total. On the current chart that would put her at #19, ahead of both Scotty and Brad, but Scotty will probably move above 18 mil for Monday, so that would knock SITW back to #20 (still ahead of Brad, but behind Scotty). However, both Dustin Lynch and Kenny Chesney should go recurrent, and that gets SITW back up to #18.
So a Billboard debut of #18 is my prediction for this one, which would be Carrie's highest debut, besting the #20 bow she had with "So Small" back in 2007. The highest debut for a female is of course the #13 bow for Taylor's "We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together", but #13 was also the peak for that one (and it's hourly Clear Channel spins lasted longer than 24 hours).
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Post by jptexas on Oct 4, 2014 0:24:38 GMT -5
Wow, adding Amazing Grace to the song made it comical and ruined the song for you. I'm not particularly religious but more in spiritual realm. That statement actually makes me feel sorry for you. I know, you probably don't care if I Do or not, but yea, I do. It didn't ruin it for me because I have a problem with the message or anything, it ruined the song because it was just so trite. It came across as trying too hard to appeal to a certain base. The song had a very clear message without going that route. No need to feel sorry for me because I think a song crossed a line between having a solid message and trying too hard to make sure every last person got the message with the use of one of the most recognized religious songs every recorded. Saying it ruined the song for you because of the addition of Amazing Grace is your right. So, if Carrie would have left it off you would have been ok with it. I mean, it is a spiritual song and so is Amazing Grace. Yes, she's trying hard to get her message out just like any other artist trying to do the same. Isn't that the point of songwriting.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2014 0:33:28 GMT -5
Okay, things are getting just a bit out of hand here. A person should be able to freely like or dislike this song (and any other song, for that matter) without a bunch of people trying to force them to change their minds. That's never going to go over that well.
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Post by Marv on Oct 4, 2014 10:00:55 GMT -5
His 'Greatest Hits Vol. II' retrospective by Alan Jackson from the fall of 2003 included the monster smash 'It's Five O'Clock Somewhere', and the follow-up single 'Remember When', which wound up #1 for the year in 2004 @ R&R/Mediabase.
Eight years earlier in 1995, Jackson's 'The Greatest Hits Collection' also yielded two new singles which both hit #1 in 'I'll Try' and 'Tall, Tall Trees', which was originally recorded by George Jones.
Martina McBride's first GH CD from the fall of 2001 yielded the #1 single 'Blessed' which spent two weeks at #1 in March of 2002. Those are off the top of my head, but I'm sure there have been plenty others over the years.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2014 13:44:51 GMT -5
Reba' Greatest Hits Volume II had the incredible "Does He Love You".
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Post by kw9461 on Oct 4, 2014 16:04:26 GMT -5
I'm curious to know how many new songs released with a greatest hits collection have made #1 on the charts. In the 90's it was common practice to release songs from GH (many of which reached #1), but in the digital era it is far rarer. The last one i recall that went to #1 from a GH was Keith Urban's "You Look Good In My Shirt" about 5 years ago (and even that song was a re-release from a previous album). I'm sure someone has the stats on hand, but prior to that I think you have to go back to Brooks & Dunn's It's Getting Better All The Time in 2004. (If you want to get technical, Garth did it in 2007 with More Than A Memory, but that was obviously a unique situation). As for this song, I really don't care for it one way or the other. It's pure Christian music, a format that I have less than no interest in, and so this song never really had a chance with me. JTTW wasn't my favorite, but it actually felt country, whereas this doesn't even pretend to be country. Carrie's voice sounds amazing, but the production is bad, which causes Carrie to oversing at times and kills any semblance of melody. I can do religious themed songs done right (Tougher Than Nails, Three Wooden Crosses, Pray For the Fish all come to mind), but this song seems insular, so as to only speak to those who share Carrie's viewpoints.
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Post by someguy on Oct 4, 2014 19:24:21 GMT -5
This has grown on me a lot over the last week. I still think that the lyrics are a little heavy-handed, but I'm enjoying at a lot more than I was last week when I first heard it. Her vocals are absolutely incredible.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2014 10:06:42 GMT -5
You can't really argue against the popularity of this song so far, both on iTunes and for spins on radio. I think the song will do just fine. It's definitely a little more in-your-face religious than some people care to handle, but country has never been void of religious influences (mostly the same religion, so I don't quite see the outrage here).
Maybe if we had more inspirational, genuine songs like this and less songs about sticking pink umbrellas in girls, the world would be a happier place.
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Post by matty005 on Oct 5, 2014 11:39:39 GMT -5
You can't really argue against the popularity of this song so far, both on iTunes and for spins on radio. I think the song will do just fine. It's definitely a little more in-your-face religious than some people care to handle, but country has never been void of religious influences (mostly the same religion, so I don't quite see the outrage here). Maybe if we had more inspirational, genuine songs like this and less songs about sticking pink umbrellas in girls, the world would be a happier place. I don't see any outrage here.
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Post by sabre14 on Oct 5, 2014 13:24:14 GMT -5
Carrie debuts at #25 on Mediabase this week.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2014 16:09:03 GMT -5
You can't really argue against the popularity of this song so far, both on iTunes and for spins on radio. I think the song will do just fine. It's definitely a little more in-your-face religious than some people care to handle, but country has never been void of religious influences (mostly the same religion, so I don't quite see the outrage here). Maybe if we had more inspirational, genuine songs like this and less songs about sticking pink umbrellas in girls, the world would be a happier place. I don't see any outrage here. I think the fact that the thread has 205 replies and the song is -1 days released to radio proves otherwise, albeit outrage that's peaceful and constructive. I appreciate the clear and concise examination of my opinion, however.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Oct 5, 2014 16:13:30 GMT -5
I'm curious to know how many new songs released with a greatest hits collection have made #1 on the charts. Brad Paisley also did it a few years ago with "Anything Like Me" on Hits Alive. It was originally an album track from the record that preceded it, however it was used as a GH single upon its release.
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Post by matty005 on Oct 5, 2014 16:15:48 GMT -5
I don't see any outrage here. I think the fact that the thread has 205 replies and the song is -1 days released to radio proves otherwise, albeit outrage that's peaceful and constructive. I appreciate the clear and concise examination of my opinion, however. Well, if that's the case, you used the wrong term. "Outrage" is not what is happening here.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2014 20:43:45 GMT -5
My new projections have this one debuting at #17 on tomorrow's Billboard Country Airplay chart. It now looks as if SITW may possibly eclipse 18 million audience impressions on Billboard, so I think it will edge ahead of Scotty McCreery as I've got "Feelin' It" coming in at about 17.7 million in audience.
Thus, I'll go with an 80% chance of SITW debuting at #17 (ahead of Scotty), and a 20% chance of it debuting at #18 (if Scotty manages to stay ahead).
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Post by jptexas on Oct 5, 2014 23:02:49 GMT -5
Well, either one will beat out So Small for the highest debut single from any Carrie album. Being that this is arguably the most spiritual or religiously themed song from Carrie, that's a pretty good accomplishment. I'm not saying a religious song wouldn't debut this high but in this day of mainly male dominated bro-songs, a spiritual song wouldn't be expected to do this well. But, here you go.
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Post by countrygirl918 on Oct 6, 2014 0:03:16 GMT -5
There's no doubt the song has been extremely well-received, but I wonder if Carrie's long absence from radio factors in at all to the high debut? Other than her appearance on Miranda's "Somethin' Bad," which hasn't been nearly as well-received at radio as most of us initially predicted, it's been a year and a half since Carrie released a solo single to country radio ("See You Again" was released in April 2013). I think country radio has missed Carrie.
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Post by rjz on Oct 6, 2014 8:42:31 GMT -5
There's no doubt the song has been extremely well-received, but I wonder if Carrie's long absence from radio factors in at all to the high debut? Other than her appearance on Miranda's "Somethin' Bad," which hasn't been nearly as well-received at radio as most of us initially predicted, it's been a year and a half since Carrie released a solo single to country radio ("See You Again" was released in April 2013). I think country radio has missed Carrie. I think you've nailed it on the head here. I enjoy the song, but certainly don't feel it is Grammy worthy/stellar because although it is 'personal' (aren't many songs?) and she sings it well as she does all slower tempo songs the lyrics aren't amazing, the production is a tad disjointed and I agree that the Amazing Grace thrown on the end doesn't quite fit (or perhaps that isn't the right word; perhaps I just mean it could have ended in a 'better', more original way). Somethin Bad was more filler or doorstop at radio so to speak for her, whereas this is a first real single in a long time and radio had definitely missed Carrie-especially with the abundance of Bro-this is their 'chance' to kill two birds with one stone......play a woman and play something of substance in the Bro era. I'm sure it will do well and I expect to see it cross over to Christian radio.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Oct 6, 2014 9:22:58 GMT -5
I definitely think Carrie's hiatus has a lot to do with the song's success. If it were the final single off an album, it probably wouldn't do half as well as it has in its first week. With that said, SITW and its success goes a little past that, I think. Maybe this is more of a personal observation, but I've yet to read an official review that has torn this song apart like Carrie's lead singles have been torn apart in the past. I'm sure they are out there, but they are in the heavy minority. I also cannot remember a Carrie song, in her 10 year career, staying in the Top 5 on iTunes (all genre) for a week, most of that time spent in the top 3, and still in the top 6 as of today (day 8).. People are buying this song at a faster rate than a Carrie Underwood song has ever been purchased before. So the success and reception of this song goes past radio airplay and radio's thirst for Carrie, I think. Critics are tending to like/love it, and audiences are responding to this song stronger than they've ever responded to a Carrie Underwood single before. I know it's trivial, but I've never seen a more peaceful comments section on Youtube for a Carrie Underwood song... Yes, the buzz created by the fact that its new Carrie Underwood music is a HUGE factor, radio has certainly missed Carrie and that's going to be reflected in her debut airplay number soon to come. But this isn't the first time Carrie has come back from a rather long hiatus, so country radio missing Carrie can't be the only reason for this song's reception. Its Christian theme is a huge factor, too. When it comes down to it, this song speaks to a wide swath of people; perhaps wider than a song of Carrie's ever has before. Christians take up the majority of country music listeners so it's no surprise they are loving a song like this one - especially at a time when faithful, meaningful, and respectable music is hard to come by in the country music landscape. My point in all of this: country radio has definitely missed Carrie and that plays a huge part, but Carrie has been missed before and has never made a large impact like she has this week. So I definitely think there's more to SITW's success than people seem to be giving it credit for. Maybe programmers are using the song to kind of push the agenda of getting more women on radio and playing music with more substance. But that agenda, if it exists, does not explain or translate to the song's overall reception as shown by critics and listeners.
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Post by jptexas on Oct 6, 2014 9:57:33 GMT -5
^^I think you've explained the success of this song better than I could. It's a combination of factors. As for those who think this song would not be a good candidate for a Grammy, you're probably right. But, this song has surprised many, including me. So I wouldn't be surprised to see at least a nod.
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Oct 6, 2014 11:08:06 GMT -5
I also cannot remember a Carrie song, in her 10 year career, staying in the Top 5 on iTunes (all genre) for a week, most of that time spent in the top 3, and still in the top 6 as of today (day 8).. People are buying this song at a faster rate than a Carrie Underwood song has ever been purchased before. I would caution that the first part does not necessarily mean the latter. The advent of streaming has resulted in a decline in download sales, so it takes less to do well at iTunes these days. There was a window of time earlier this century in which country album sales seemed to hold up stronger than sales in other mainstream genres because country fans were slower adopters of digital downloading than fans in other mainstream genres. I think it's likely that at least some subset of country music fans are slower adopters of streaming than fans in other mainstream genres have been as well, though country download sales have been crashing this year, as well. (Tangentially related, I think HDD noted the strength of digital album sales for Barbra Streisand's current release as a possible sign that older music fans are holding up strongly as digital buyers of music, so I don't think it's just some subsets of country music fans who continue to buy.) As for radio's reception to this song, maybe it's just me, but I never thought it would be anything but really strong in the first week. First-week fortunes at radio are largely based on track record, and Carrie's is stellar. Hourly first-day play by both Clear Channel and Cumulus ensured over 10 million in Billboard audience in the first day alone. The Monday release was always going to facilitate a career-high debut for Carrie, at least on the Billboard Country Airplay chart. But I think it's worth noting that average daily audience for "Something in the Water" after the first day was actually lower than average daily audience gains for male A-listers like Aldean and Shelton this year. Now, that could be a function of Arista Nashville wanting to leave some space for second week stabilization (to prevent a "People Like Us"-level second week hit), or Arista Nashville wanting to make sure that "Something in the Water" didn't swallow up airplay it still wants for "Somethin' Bad." My point is that the first week airplay was never going to tell us much. It's the airplay from SITW's third week forward that will tell us about whether country radio really is willing to embrace something so thematically and sonically different from what has ruled the format for the past two years. I can agree that first week download sales for "Something in the Water," which look likely to clear 100K, and the overall reception for the song (i.e., just what I've picked up from perusing general discussion around the intertubes) look encouraging. I just don't think superlatives are warranted to describe either. On the topic of preachiness, is there a line in the song that reads "Opened my eyes and told me the truth"? It's that kind of line that reinforces the impression of preachiness that surrounds this song. Maybe I misheard it. Having a corner on the truth is appealing to a lot of people, and I wouldn't criticize anybody for approaching the world that way. But if you want to know why somebody would find the song preachy -- and that's how I got into this exchange, trying to answer a question -- it's the notion that there's one truth about these important real-life issues. Can I offer an explanation/copout on this point? The line that you quoted (which you heard correctly) comes from a third-person point of view...the narrator is talking to a guy who shares the transformative experience of his baptism -- he is the one who tells her that someone "opened my eyes and told me the truth." But I think it's important that the narrator says she "heard what he said and went on my way, didn't think about it for a couple of days" -- she seems to be saying that he expressed his truth, but it didn't necessarily register with her immediately. The narrator's own moment of revelation, which I agree is also framed in Christian terms, comes differently...she may come to accept the same "truth," but I think that the narrator comes by it differently and she stops short of promoting it as such. Like I said, a copout explanation, and not one intended to suggest that "Something in the Water" isn't preachy by a reasonable definition. I will say that as someone for whom faith is an intensely personal thing, I'm not wired to understand the notion of "testimony." But at the same time, I'm pre-disposed to like Carrie and I've generally found a way to be comfortable with her presentations of her faith. I see "Something in the Water" as her way of giving glory to God in a time when she has so much going for her professionally and personally. Her gratitude bubbles forth in her voice and the music here, and despite my preference for a stronger narrative element (as sbp17 noted) and my wish that she had made different interpretive choices at a couple of moments (as several in this thread have already mentioned), I find "Something in the Water" to be genuinely joyous and likable. On the subject of ending the song with the interpolation of "Amazing Grace," I'm generally skeptical of sampling or name- or song-dropping tactics because they too often lazily access credibility not earned by the song. But I think the use of "Amazing Grace" works here -- it's the end of the song, it's fitting given the arc of the song that one end up in church, and it makes sense to be singing one of the most universal of traditional hymns, one that encapsulates the wonder and gratitude that "Something in the Water" seeks to convey. The interpolation works musically for me, as well.
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Post by onebuffalo on Oct 6, 2014 11:56:10 GMT -5
Carrie debuts at #25 on Mediabase this week. Is that her highest debut there? I see where jhomes87 has Carrie Underwood now entering at #17 in Billboard. That would be her highest start there.
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Post by sabre14 on Oct 6, 2014 12:02:07 GMT -5
Carrie debuts at #25 on Mediabase this week. Is that her highest debut there? I see where jhomes87 has Carrie Underwood now entering at #17 in Billboard. That would be her highest start there. No. It ties her highest debut with "So Small" in 2007.
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Post by onebuffalo on Oct 6, 2014 12:03:15 GMT -5
Is that her highest debut there? I see where jhomes87 has Carrie Underwood now entering at #17 in Billboard. That would be her highest start there. No. It ties her highest debut with "So Small" in 2007. Thanks again with the answer.
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