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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2014 18:38:31 GMT -5
The fact that Ghost Tunes chose not to report their first week numbers makes me suspicious...were the numbers less than anticipated? I can't help but think that if the numbers majorly adorned the 130k, Ghost Tunes and RCA would have been more than ready to boast.
Anyway, a quote from Garth Brooks that I recently read has made me raise my eyebrows: "It’s all about the music, and if the music’s good, over time it will do what it’s supposed to do." I didn't really think that's how music sales work...especially with albums, sales are always the highest the first week and usually never return to anywhere near the first week numbers later. This seems kind of like a phony way to cover up a disappointing comeback.
I don't think these sales are an indication that Garth's material was subpar or that people are losing interest in him, though. Album sales are declining for everyone, so that's already one reason Garth had a disappointing comeback. I still think Garth would have had no trouble competing with the likes of Eric Church, Jason Aldean, Brantley Gilbert, Florida Georgia Line, and Justin Moore for great opening week sales if he and his label had handled this a bit better. They should have put a more radio-friendly, listener-interesting single out for radio to play and made the music available on iTunes. Also, a bit more album promo through television shows, radio shows, etc. would have helped. I also think it was unwise to just release an album without having a single on the radio. Despite all these ways I view the release of new Garth Brooks music as mishandled, Garth still turned out relatively decent sales, better than Blake Shelton did with a single in the top 10 on the charts and all that exposure from The Voice, so if Garth had used iTunes and released hit material to radio, I don't see why he couldn't have sold at least 200k.
"Mom" may not peak much higher than "People Loving People" on the chart and maybe this whole era will be a disaster for Garth at radio. (I haven't heard the music, so I don't know whether he has any radio hits on the record.) However, if Sony can convince Garth to "cooperate" a bit more next time around, I think they can salvage his radio career yet. My only question here is just how much Garth cares about radio success. Maybe the only way to get Garth to focus on radio success is if he sees a decline in album sales associated with less radio airplay. I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens.
My prediction for "Mom" is a peak in the upper twenties or lower teens.
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Post by matty005 on Nov 19, 2014 18:40:43 GMT -5
This is what Brian mansfield from USA Today tweeted out. "It's my understanding they may not report for a year or more, until the digital bundle is fulfilled with the next album." Just a heads-up, maybe try to combine all 3 posts instead of having 3 separate posts from you in a row from now on.
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Post by gopolks on Nov 19, 2014 19:01:12 GMT -5
Cool, cheers will do.
Thinking the song MOM will reach at least the top ten.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2014 19:10:10 GMT -5
Honestly, I'm scratching my head at all the people praising the quality of "Mom."
The topic has been done before, and it's been done much better in the past.
I don't have a problem with all preachy/cony songs, but I don't find anythng noteworthy about this song.
If a song of such quality was released by any other current artist, I don't have any doubts it would be trashed as vapid and subpar.
Coming from an artist who's proven he's capable of releasing masterpeices (The Dance), I can't excuse the terrible quality of both singles. If he wanted to come back to realease subpar material, I'll pass.
Perhaps his material isn't selling because it's average, not because radio/fans aren't supporting him. If he wants to do things his way by rebeling against the industry, he will suffer major consequences.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2014 20:46:50 GMT -5
The GhostTunes situation is definitely interesting. I think Garth's idea isn't all that bad--he's offering people an easy way to get his music for a good price--but he totally overlooked the concept of path dependence. People who have been using iTunes for years aren't just going to suddenly start using GhostTunes now. In fact I still think a lot of people out there aren't even aware of GhostTunes or the fact that Garth has new music out. They know he's touring again and he's breaking all kinds of records doing that, but people are going to those shows because he's Garth Brooks. They want to hear all the songs they loved back in the 90's.
Garth has said that he knows he's competing against himself in many ways and he's absolutely right. And that, to me, is why the single choices so far have been so perplexing.
I went out and bought the digital bundle last week...I just downloaded it straight from his website. But I think a lot of fans were confused as to why it wasn't on iTunes because virtually everyone else is on there. As for Garth and the label withholding the GhostTunes sales, it could be because they are lower than expected...but if he's able to gain some steam on radio, then I have no doubt that when the numbers are finally revealed, Garth will probably surprise some people. He's the master of getting albums to sell, and although things are much different now than they were in the 90's, I'm not ready to underestimate Garth. Basically, I don't think this album will have the normal trajectory that we see with the typical album from any other big star. This is an entirely unique situation.
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Post by lasvegaskid on Nov 19, 2014 21:12:08 GMT -5
Garth will be singing live on the American Music Awards, they will be crossing over to him via satellite during one of his live concerts, if he sings MOM, it will be a massive hit. The thanksgiving and xmas period will be kind to him also. Again look at tour, breaking records where ever he goes. This album has only been out for a week, and the only single that has been played from it on radio so far is the weakest on the album, People Loving People. Man against Machine will go platinum for sure. Not going to happen. Won't even go gold. There is only one non soundtrack album to go platinum this year and that was girl of the moment Tay Swift with a monster multi format launch single.
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Post by gopolks on Nov 19, 2014 22:03:57 GMT -5
Maybe not this year, but during its run it will go platinum at some stage.
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Post by dajross6 on Nov 19, 2014 22:50:18 GMT -5
With the change to the Billboard 200 tonight, look for it to only hurt Garth more for those tracking his position on the album charts. Giving album totals to single sales and song streaming is pretty crazy if you ask me.
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Post by phil1996 on Nov 20, 2014 0:30:47 GMT -5
I like the production alot, I'll say that much. Sounds like vintage Garth. Yeah, it's a little cheesy, but I really like the vocal performance here, and the steel in the background is awesome.
Also, in regards to possible singles from the album.... "She's Tired of Boys" seems like his best bet to get back to the top 10. Would be a mistake to not release it.
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Post by dub on Nov 20, 2014 3:01:27 GMT -5
I don't dislike this song, but there are better songs on the album and better choices for singles, IMO. I agree with She's Tired of Boys. Tacoma is easily one of the best songs I've ever heard, and I hope that wriggles its way to radio at some point. That said, I do hope that Mom is a hit.
(Also agreed that when Garth comes to my city, I mostly want to hear 90s Garth. The only exceptions would be More Than A Memory and Tacoma.)
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Post by jferstler on Nov 20, 2014 10:59:23 GMT -5
I love this song, however I think She's Tired Of Boys is an absolutely incredible song as well. She's Tired Of Boys and All American Kid would have been his best bet at radio but I don't think Garth is overly concerned with his radio career as he is selling out 5+ shows in every city he goes too. I don't anticipate "Mom" reaching the top 25 in this day an age. Solid song but radio doesn't care about 50+ men ( or any age women) anymore or anyone who was making hits In the 90's for that matter (except Chesney and McGraw but a bulk of their success came in the 2000's). I do thoroughly enjoy his new album, and purchased a hard copy the day it was released aswell as the digital bundle a month or two ago. Only song I don't care for on "Man Against Machine" is the title track. I just wish "Wrong About You" had an extra verse could be a solid hit as well.
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Post by rsmatto on Nov 20, 2014 11:36:03 GMT -5
The GhostTunes situation is definitely interesting. I think Garth's idea isn't all that bad--he's offering people an easy way to get his music for a good price--but he totally overlooked the concept of path dependence. People who have been using iTunes for years aren't just going to suddenly start using GhostTunes now. In fact I still think a lot of people out there aren't even aware of GhostTunes or the fact that Garth has new music out. They know he's touring again and he's breaking all kinds of records doing that, but people are going to those shows because he's Garth Brooks. They want to hear all the songs they loved back in the 90's. Garth has said that he knows he's competing against himself in many ways and he's absolutely right. And that, to me, is why the single choices so far have been so perplexing. I went out and bought the digital bundle last week...I just downloaded it straight from his website. But I think a lot of fans were confused as to why it wasn't on iTunes because virtually everyone else is on there. As for Garth and the label withholding the GhostTunes sales, it could be because they are lower than expected...but if he's able to gain some steam on radio, then I have no doubt that when the numbers are finally revealed, Garth will probably surprise some people. He's the master of getting albums to sell, and although things are much different now than they were in the 90's, I'm not ready to underestimate Garth. Basically, I don't think this album will have the normal trajectory that we see with the typical album from any other big star. This is an entirely unique situation. See the thing is that they set it up to funnel into the iTunes player anyway, just like Amazon's digital download store does. I really thought he'd go through Amazon for the digital sales stuff but I guess they're just "Machines" too. Anyway, I definitely see Brian Mansfield's point about the album in 2015. And honestly, I can see Garth releasing THAT in March or April and then we see the bundle's numbers. I have to think it did well. He certainly got me to buy it again (I got it because I then didn't have to dig/out/burn the music from my CDs, and it was 'mastered for digital' also the two albums were included for the price so it was like getting the old catalog for free) and I'm sure others also got it simply because they hadn't heard anything but the hits and at that price, it was a good deal for that much music. I agree that his sales for this project may ultimately be higher than people think. He probably also got walmart and target to buy discs that they cannot sell back (one of the very few who can do such things) so the album may already have Gold certification levels. In fact, it probably has that much physical product already out there and 'purchased' so look for a RIAA Gold certification for "Man Against Machine" soon.
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Post by McCreerian on Nov 20, 2014 15:45:06 GMT -5
I was talking to a lady at work today. She said she heard Garth is touring again and would love to see him live. She also said that she wished he had new music out. I told her he had a new CD that came out last week and it's at Walmart for 11.99. She said she would check it out on ITunes tonight. I told her Garth isn't on ITunes and she'd either have to buy the hard copy CD or get an account on Garth's own version of ITunes called Ghostunes. She said that was stupid but she really wants to hear new music for him so she'll check out the CD when she's in Walmart again. This story is why Garth's debut sales are like they were. I'm sure this lady I work with is one of many who don't know he has new music out and that he is not on ITunes. She never heard of PLP cause she never heard Charlotte radio play it.
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Post by sabre14 on Nov 24, 2014 15:35:22 GMT -5
"Mom" is most added on MB this week with 51 adds.
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Post by 14887fan on Nov 24, 2014 16:31:32 GMT -5
Maybe not this year, but during its run it will go platinum at some stage. That'll be very difficult, but, if it sees some real radio success, I think it'll be able to reach Platinum by the time the next album from the "bundle" on Ghost Tunes comes out next year. As Mansfield said, the Ghost Tunes sales for MAM likely won't be announced until the bundle is distributed in completion, so if MAM manages to sell at least 500k by the time the next album comes out in 2015, they'll likely be able to slap a Platinum certification onto it after sales & shipments are taken into consideration.
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Post by Zazie on Nov 24, 2014 17:39:38 GMT -5
The song debuts at #50 on tonight's Billboard chart (dated 12/06).
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Post by Kentucky25 on Nov 25, 2014 14:06:24 GMT -5
Weird question, but is anyone having trouble on GarthTunes previewing the album? I tried to listen to them, but I couldn't get it to work. May have just been my computer, I was just wanting to see if anyone else was having trouble.
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Post by lasvegaskid on Nov 26, 2014 17:12:25 GMT -5
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Post by gopolks on Nov 26, 2014 18:07:30 GMT -5
Had the usual 50% drop for its second week, while others dropped 70-80%.
Hell expect its third week sales to increase.
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Post by matty005 on Nov 26, 2014 20:29:31 GMT -5
Had the usual 50% drop for its second week, while others dropped 70-80%. Hell expect its third week sales to increase. Almost everyone's will increase with holiday sales I am guessing.
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Post by sabre14 on Nov 30, 2014 11:52:32 GMT -5
"Mom" debuts inside the MB top 50 at #48 this week.
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Post by gopolks on Dec 2, 2014 19:32:49 GMT -5
Great to see the album having legs also, another 60K sold with no TV Promotion(not counting downloads) while other albums released on the same date, have now dropped off.
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Post by matty005 on Dec 2, 2014 19:48:36 GMT -5
Great to see the album having legs also, another 60K sold with no TV Promotion(not counting downloads) while other albums released on the same date, have now dropped off. Gotta think the busiest shopping day of the year helped this.
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Post by onebuffalo on Dec 3, 2014 14:11:09 GMT -5
Mom debuts at #48 on the Canadian chart. Will it surpass the #10 peaking People Loving People? Time will tell.
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Post by gopolks on Dec 4, 2014 18:49:53 GMT -5
Glad to see the album is holding on, expected to sell another 55-60K this week according to HDD. Country radio take note.
From HDD. Taylor Swift (Big Machine) 185-195k / 235-245k SPS Pentatonix (RCA) 185-195k / 200-210k SPS * AC/DC (Columbia) 135-145k / 140-150k SPS Idina Menzel (Warner Bros.) 70-75k / 75-80k SPS Michael Buble (Reprise) 60-65k / 65-70k SPS Garth Brooks (Pearl/RCA Nashville) 55-60k / 55-60k SPS One Direction (SYCO/Columbia) 50-55k / 65-70k SPS Sam Smith (Capitol) 40-45k / 60-65k SPS * Mary J. Blige (Capitol) 40-45k / 40-45k SPS Pink Floyd (Parlophone) 40-45k / 45-50k SPS Michael W. Smith (Sparrow) 30-35k / 30-35k SPS Barbra Streisand (Columbia) 30-35k / 30-35k SPS Tony Bennett & Lady Gaga (Columbia/Interscope) 30-35k / 30-35k SPS Frozen (Walt Disney) 28-32k / 30-35k SPS SHADYXV (Shady/Aftermath/Interscope) 27-30k / 30-35k SPS
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Post by jlatn5b on Dec 4, 2014 22:33:15 GMT -5
It's the period between Thanksgiving and Christmas. Albums hold well or gain sales in general. It's to be expected. The real test will be how it holds up post-Christmas.
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Post by lasvegaskid on Dec 6, 2014 10:14:32 GMT -5
So is this already done? I'm getting no and I mean no indication that it is about to take off.
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Post by someguy on Dec 6, 2014 10:24:22 GMT -5
So is this already done? I'm getting no and I mean no indication that it is about to take off. Not at all. It has a pretty healthy bullet, and is about to enter the top 40.
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Post by sabre14 on Dec 6, 2014 13:28:00 GMT -5
So is this already done? I'm getting no and I mean no indication that it is about to take off. All you have to do is look at today's Mediabase Rolling chart. tw lw move audience42 Garth Brooks - "Mom" 764 455 +309 5.903
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Post by onebuffalo on Dec 6, 2014 14:09:55 GMT -5
So is this already done? I'm getting no and I mean no indication that it is about to take off. Some people need some patience. This has been on the airplay chart for two weeks. Chart run: 50-41.
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