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Post by McCreerian on Dec 6, 2014 15:23:34 GMT -5
It was also the most added song to Country radio 2 weeks ago. It had healthy adds this week too. Maybe he just doesn't understand how to interpret chart data and is only going by what his local station (Vegas I presume) is playing. Basing the life of a single off of one's local station is a common mistake for armature chart watchers. "Mom" is going to be around for a long time to come!
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Post by josephmorgan on Dec 6, 2014 17:17:07 GMT -5
Question: the song is 4:03 on the album, so what is being cut to fit it to around 3 minutes for the single?
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Post by lasvegaskid on Dec 6, 2014 22:04:08 GMT -5
It was also the most added song to Country radio 2 weeks ago. It had healthy adds this week too. Maybe he just doesn't understand how to interpret chart data and is only going by what his local station (Vegas I presume) is playing. Basing the life of a single off of one's local station is a common mistake for armature chart watchers. "Mom" is going to be around for a long time to come! I am very familiar with how the charts work, thank you.
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Post by McCreerian on Dec 6, 2014 22:26:48 GMT -5
It was also the most added song to Country radio 2 weeks ago. It had healthy adds this week too. Maybe he just doesn't understand how to interpret chart data and is only going by what his local station (Vegas I presume) is playing. Basing the life of a single off of one's local station is a common mistake for armature chart watchers. "Mom" is going to be around for a long time to come! I am very familiar with how the charts work, thank you. Ok then. How does a 9 point BB airplay jump with a MB bullet of over +300 show that this song has no indication of taking off? That's a new one for me.
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Post by zjames on Dec 6, 2014 23:56:38 GMT -5
Question: the song is 4:03 on the album, so what is being cut to fit it to around 3 minutes for the single? The second verse and chorus are cut out. So if you're looking at the lyric page, the third and fourth sections are cut out of the radio edit. Does this song really need a radio edit? Can radio songs not be 4+ minutes anymore? I think something is definitely lost by cutting out that second verse.
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Post by sabre14 on Dec 7, 2014 14:05:23 GMT -5
"Mom" barely edges out "Love Me Like You Mean It" to jump from #48 to #40 on MB this week.
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Dec 7, 2014 14:40:39 GMT -5
Question: the song is 4:03 on the album, so what is being cut to fit it to around 3 minutes for the single? The second verse and chorus are cut out. So if you're looking at the lyric page, the third and fourth sections are cut out of the radio edit. Does this song really need a radio edit? Can radio songs not be 4+ minutes anymore? I think something is definitely lost by cutting out that second verse. This is probably the most baffling verse cut ever. I think this song is effective because it keeps the musical surroundings restrained. I think part of the reason I don't like "Something in the Water" is because of how obscenely thick the production is, stripping it of any sense of intimacy and making it feel very overblown and manufactured. But this song feels more "real" because the production and singing are subtle.
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Post by McCreerian on Dec 7, 2014 15:28:51 GMT -5
"Mom" barely edges out "Love Me Like You Mean It" to jump from #48 to #40 on MB this week. Oh yeah that shows no indication of taking off... Seriously though, this will out peak PLP. It's a song people can actually relate to on a personal level. PLP was just a poor man's "We Shall Be Free."
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Post by someguy on Dec 7, 2014 15:31:30 GMT -5
"Mom" barely edges out "Love Me Like You Mean It" to jump from #48 to #40 on MB this week. Oh yeah that shows no indication of taking off... Seriously though, this will out peak PLP. It's a song people can actually relate to on a personal level. PLP was just a poor man's "We Shall Be Free." I actually like "People Loving People" a fair bit now, but it took some time to grow on me. I think I like it better than "We Shall Be Free". I agree that "Mom" will likely outpeak it. I do think that "Mom" is headed to at least the top 10, but I guess we'll just have to see. I'm pleasantly surprised at how radio seems to be coming on board with it so quickly, since it doesn't really sound like something radio would play these days.
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Post by rjz on Dec 8, 2014 10:01:19 GMT -5
The second verse and chorus are cut out. So if you're looking at the lyric page, the third and fourth sections are cut out of the radio edit. Does this song really need a radio edit? Can radio songs not be 4+ minutes anymore? I think something is definitely lost by cutting out that second verse. This is probably the most baffling verse cut ever. I think this song is effective because it keeps the musical surroundings restrained. I think part of the reason I don't like "Something in the Water" is because of how obscenely thick the production is, stripping it of any sense of intimacy and making it feel very overblown and manufactured. But this song feels more "real" because the production and singing are subtle. I do agree with this statement-the production and sound of the song is very nice (and yes, contrasts with the 'messier' Water song-which is also why I don't like that song). Mom is pretty 'Hallmarky" sappy for my tastes, but in the right circumstance could be a perfect occasion song. I see it peaking right around Mother's Day!
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Post by onebuffalo on Dec 8, 2014 12:23:07 GMT -5
This is probably the most baffling verse cut ever. I think this song is effective because it keeps the musical surroundings restrained. I think part of the reason I don't like "Something in the Water" is because of how obscenely thick the production is, stripping it of any sense of intimacy and making it feel very overblown and manufactured. But this song feels more "real" because the production and singing are subtle. I do agree with this statement-the production and sound of the song is very nice (and yes, contrasts with the 'messier' Water song-which is also why I don't like that song). Mom is pretty 'Hallmarky" sappy for my tastes, but in the right circumstance could be a perfect occasion song. I see it peaking right around Mother's Day! So you think Mom will stay on the charts for six months?
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Post by rjz on Dec 8, 2014 13:21:53 GMT -5
I do agree with this statement-the production and sound of the song is very nice (and yes, contrasts with the 'messier' Water song-which is also why I don't like that song). Mom is pretty 'Hallmarky" sappy for my tastes, but in the right circumstance could be a perfect occasion song. I see it peaking right around Mother's Day! So you think Mom will stay on the charts for six months? Since nothing much happens until after Christmas freeze I guess I am thinking it is more like 4-5 months (May 10). I have no strong feeling if that will happen (esp after PLP) but just thinking that is what his team is hoping for
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Post by onebuffalo on Dec 8, 2014 13:23:28 GMT -5
So you think Mom will stay on the charts for six months? Since nothing much happens until after Christmas freeze I guess I am thinking it is more like 4-5 months (May 10). I have no strong feeling if that will happen (esp after PLP) but just thinking that is what his team is hoping for You're definitely right on your first sentence. I am expecting a much longer stay for Mom than People Loving People (7 weeks).
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Post by rsmatto on Dec 8, 2014 14:36:14 GMT -5
I think they just wanted to simplify the song even more with the removal of the 2nd verse/chorus. So it makes for a slimmer song, a song which is smaller which would allow radio to play it at least once more per day than if it was 4 minutes...
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Post by someguy on Dec 8, 2014 21:25:17 GMT -5
This had another good week, gaining nearly 2 million in AI and jumping 41-34*. It seems that radio is definitely open to giving him a shot, it just depends on how listeners react to it.
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Post by McCreerian on Dec 8, 2014 21:39:11 GMT -5
Hopefully this hits the top since he is the only 90s artist still active with Alan and George's hitmaking days over. Tim McGraw and Kenny Chesney say hello...
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Post by sabre14 on Dec 8, 2014 21:49:01 GMT -5
"Mom" barely edges out "Love Me Like You Mean It" to jump from #48 to #40 on MB this week. And I did mean barely, as "Mom" edged out "Love Me Like You Mean It" by 8 total points for that top 40 finish.
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Post by sabre14 on Dec 9, 2014 12:15:25 GMT -5
Apologies for double posting but I found it funny that WYRK (local Buffalo station here) added "Mom" and "Against The Wind" by Garth Brooks. The latter was his remake of the Bob Seger song off his Blame It All On My Roots album. Obviously him setting a record for selling tickets here has sparked some excitement with the station.
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Post by rsmatto on Dec 9, 2014 12:33:15 GMT -5
Apologies for double posting but I found it funny that WYRK (local Buffalo station here) added "Mom" and "Against The Wind" by Garth Brooks. The latter was his remake of the Bob Seger song off his Blame It All On My Roots album. Obviously him setting a record for selling tickets here has sparked some excitement with the station. He's also going "against the wind" so to speak in releasing this kind of single to radio instead of some song about pickup tricks and daisy dukes, ;P
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Post by gopolks on Dec 11, 2014 19:53:11 GMT -5
HDD predicts Man Against machine will sell another 60K,this week, still very steady. Good numbers for the fifth week of this album.
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Post by matty005 on Dec 11, 2014 20:05:00 GMT -5
HDD predicts Man Against machine will sell another 60K,this week, still very steady. Good numbers for the fifth week of this album. Yes. Expect steady numbers until after Christmas. This is not revolutionary.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2014 20:08:09 GMT -5
I don't quite know if it's going against the wind to not release bro-country (or "laundry list music" as I've seen it called recently) anymore. I'd actually say labels and artists are mostly afraid to release bro-country, for some reason, so it's not like Garth is making some huge statement with this particular single. I only count seven songs in the top 40 that could even be remotely considered bro-country ("Feelin' It," "Sun Daze," "Homegrown Honey," "Make Me Wanna," "Just Gettin' Started," "Freestyle," and "Buzz Back Girl") and several of these have failed to make much of an impact, so while bro-country was popular towards the end of Garth Brooks' retirement, it's hardly the trend or "the wind" anymore.
I am surprised to see such steady sales for Garth Brooks' album. Jhomes87 (and Garth Brooks himself) were correct in their predictions that the music would sell more overtime. I think the issue here may have been not all of Garth Brooks' fans knowing he had an album out, and now word is slowly starting to spread. It's a very unique situation. If radio continues to see great album sales they may have a reason to play the single, but it might still be tough for the album to continue to have great sales for an entire single's chart run, and then for the entire chart runs of several subsequent singles.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Dec 11, 2014 23:55:16 GMT -5
I don't quite know if it's going against the wind to not release bro-country (or "laundry list music" as I've seen it called recently) anymore. I'd actually say labels and artists are mostly afraid to release bro-country, for some reason, so it's not like Garth is making some huge statement with this particular single. I only count seven songs in the top 40 that could even be remotely considered bro-country ("Feelin' It," "Sun Daze," "Homegrown Honey," "Make Me Wanna," "Just Gettin' Started," "Freestyle," and "Buzz Back Girl") and several of these have failed to make much of an impact, so while bro-country was popular towards the end of Garth Brooks' retirement, it's hardly the trend or "the wind" anymore. Bro-country has really only been a thing the last couple years. It wasn't a thing back when Garth Brooks retired. And I don't see any indication that labels and artists are afraid to release bro-country at all. Just because some artists who frequently dip from the bro-country pool take a break for a single or two, doesn't mean they are done with the trend.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2014 1:46:04 GMT -5
I am surprised to see such steady sales for Garth Brooks' album. Jhomes87 (and Garth Brooks himself) were correct in their predictions that the music would sell more overtime. I think the issue here may have been not all of Garth Brooks' fans knowing he had an album out, and now word is slowly starting to spread. It's a very unique situation. If radio continues to see great album sales they may have a reason to play the single, but it might still be tough for the album to continue to have great sales for an entire single's chart run, and then for the entire chart runs of several subsequent singles. The main reason this is selling right now is because of holiday shopping, I have no doubt of that. If he had released this in February, it would not be selling anywhere near 60k per week. We really can't look at the situation right now and conclusively say that this is an album that will have longevity in terms of its sales over time. We need to wait until after Christmas--that's when the real test will come...will any of the singles catch on enough to drive sales? Because right now I expect that people are mainly picking this up as a stocking stuffer. It's all over on store shelves and so I'm fairly certain that it's selling almost purely off of name recognition. Its sales will fall off sharply in January (just as everyone else's will) and then we need to see if it's still an album that people are interested in. That will all depend on radio and I'm definitely not convinced that "Mom" is going to be a hit. Sure, it cracked the top 40 with relative ease, but is that really an accomplishment for Garth Brooks? It doesn't take much for a song to crack the top 40, especially when it's a song from someone like Garth. If "Mom" can't get into top 20 rotation or better, then I doubt that the album will sell much unless a potential 3rd single somehow becomes wildly successful. So I guess what I'm trying to say is that my prediction that Man Against Machine will sell well over time doesn't really apply yet, because I was mainly talking about how it will sell in 2015. There was really no reason to doubt that it would move a lot of copies in November and December--after all, his Blame It All On My Roots compilation box set from last year (which was a Walmart exclusive) managed to sell over 900,000 copies, most of which were sold over the holiday season...and that was a 6-disc covers set, too--not original music.
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Post by gopolks on Dec 12, 2014 17:46:42 GMT -5
Not sure how high mpm will climb on the charts, but "Shes tried of boys" has top ten written all over it.
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Post by Zazie on Dec 12, 2014 19:28:11 GMT -5
This song has gained less than 100 spins -- and worse, less than 100k in audience -- on MB from Mon-Fri. So it's barely tracking to post a bullet on BB this coming Monday, though it should land one fairly easily on MB. I know it's Christmastime and all, but there are 15 songs that have gained more than 1.2 mill so far in the same time period. That's 20 times Garth's gain, or more.
I don't think it rules out this song being a hit. I have no clear expectations at the moment, but I don't think it's guaranteed any particular level of success.
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Post by sabre14 on Dec 12, 2014 19:37:41 GMT -5
^ Yeah, I've noticed the slow down for "Mom" the past few days as well and to be honest nothing surprises me with Garth's singles. The fact he is only on GhostTunes and not iTunes along with the fact that he's been away so long, I can't put my finger on how this chart run will go. If it went top 10 I would be surprised but not totally shocked and if it sputters out in the top 35, I certainly wouldn't be surprised by that either. I still think this wasn't the right single choice for this present time after the flame out of "People Loving People" - but as you can see, "Mom" has only been out for about three weeks so it's way too early to make any sudden knee jerk reactions to such unimpressive gains, but like Zazie stated, this song is by no means guaranteed anything in the way of success.
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Post by sabre14 on Dec 30, 2014 23:12:25 GMT -5
Garth will appear on the "Today Show" on January 8th, 2015. He will appear during all four hours of the show which marks the first time that's ever happened in the show's 62 year history. Music Row
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Post by jferstler on Dec 31, 2014 1:48:12 GMT -5
I do think Garth gets a top 15 in 2015 but I doubt very much this song goes top 20 for him.
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Post by onebuffalo on Dec 31, 2014 8:36:32 GMT -5
Garth will appear on the "Today Show" on January 8th, 2015. He will appear during all four hours of the show which marks the first time that's ever happened in the show's 62 year history. Music RowNice. Which means Garth Brooks will have drinks with Kathie Lee and Hoda during the 10 a.m. hour. Three Pina Coladas anyone?
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