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Post by Daryl the Beryl on Apr 11, 2015 6:11:10 GMT -5
Top 10 on AAA:
15 10 JAMES BAY Hold Back The River 422 366 56 1.085
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Post by Doc Indie Party Rock on Apr 13, 2015 3:09:48 GMT -5
So where can I download, cody's version of the song? No itunes. I Don't do itunes
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Post by Daryl the Beryl on Apr 17, 2015 3:37:02 GMT -5
I think this is growing on me
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Post by Daryl the Beryl on May 17, 2015 20:05:31 GMT -5
Top 20 on Alternative:
22 20 JAMES BAY Hold Back The River 734 652 82 1.926
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Post by friday on May 19, 2015 19:42:01 GMT -5
This is OK. It's been growing on me glacially over the last several weeks. I just can't reconcile this going top 20 on Alternative while "Can't Deny My Love" barely gets a cup of coffee inside the top 40.
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Post by ben777 on May 19, 2015 20:24:46 GMT -5
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Post by Cody on May 19, 2015 21:38:00 GMT -5
I have no clue what this guy's singing about, even after looking up the lyrics My guess is "Hold back the river, let me look in your eyes" means "don't cry" |
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Post by Daryl the Beryl on May 21, 2015 6:07:08 GMT -5
Top 5 on AAA:
6 4 JAMES BAY Hold Back The River 568 529 39 1.417
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Post by Troy on May 21, 2015 9:31:25 GMT -5
this looks to be #2 within a few days
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Post by Cody on May 21, 2015 16:25:01 GMT -5
I love this now, incredible song.
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Post by ben777 on May 22, 2015 10:25:11 GMT -5
I have no clue what this guy's singing about, even after looking up the lyrics My guess is "Hold back the river, let me look in your eyes" means "don't cry" That makes sense - still seems like a weird metaphor to me, though - if I were upset, and crying, and someone said to me "Hold Back The River", I would feel like they were strange |
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Post by DJ General on May 22, 2015 23:49:16 GMT -5
Been obsessed with this for a bit now. It's fantastic.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on May 23, 2015 18:48:59 GMT -5
My guess is "Hold back the river, let me look in your eyes" means "don't cry" That makes sense - still seems like a weird metaphor to me, though - if I were upset, and crying, and someone said to me "Hold Back The River", I would feel like they were strange If someone said to me in regular conversation what most songs say, I'd think they were strange. |
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Post by Green Baron on May 23, 2015 19:05:23 GMT -5
Let it Go for single 2 pls
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Post by Daryl the Beryl on May 28, 2015 2:27:52 GMT -5
Can someone explain to me why is this smashing on Alternative? It's not that I don't like this song, but this sounds like something that's tailor-made for AAA radio instead of alternative(same with Budapest). Before these two songs, the last similar song to reach top 10 was IIRC, Jack Johnson's "If I Had Eyes" back in 2008?
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Post by shakermaker on May 28, 2015 4:20:48 GMT -5
Can someone explain to me why is this smashing on Alternative? It's not that I don't like this song, but this sounds like something that's tailor-made for AAA radio instead of alternative(same with Budapest). Before these two songs, the last similar song to reach top 10 was IIRC, Jack Johnson's "If I Had Eyes" back in 2008? To me this is just a matter of AAA and alternative no longer being as segregated from each other as they were for much of the 2000s, coupled with the fact that this rootsier folky stuff has risen up dramatically in mainstream popularity in the wake of Mumford & Sons' success. I wouldn't be surprised if that Houndmouth song which is smashing on AAA right now crosses over to alternative soon. |
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Post by Daryl the Beryl on May 28, 2015 6:06:28 GMT -5
#1 on AAA:
4 1 JAMES BAY Hold Back The River 600 568 32 1.677
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Post by ben777 on May 29, 2015 15:31:42 GMT -5
Can someone explain to me why is this smashing on Alternative? It's not that I don't like this song, but this sounds like something that's tailor-made for AAA radio instead of alternative(same with Budapest). Only a handful of major cities have popular, commercial AAA stations right now - most stations on the AAA panel are either extremely low rated, or they're college stations with almost no audience outside of campus - and even in markets where a AAA station has a solid audience, power rotation is often down around 20 spins per week - charting exclusively on AAA radio (in 2015) definitely isn't enough to significantly break a new artist on a nationwide level, so labels promote everything they can to the Alternative format, as long as it fits in with the rest of the mix
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Post by Shadows in the Dark on May 29, 2015 23:39:10 GMT -5
Can someone explain to me why is this smashing on Alternative? It's not that I don't like this song, but this sounds like something that's tailor-made for AAA radio instead of alternative(same with Budapest). Before these two songs, the last similar song to reach top 10 was IIRC, Jack Johnson's "If I Had Eyes" back in 2008? To me this is just a matter of AAA and alternative no longer being as segregated from each other as they were for much of the 2000s, coupled with the fact that this rootsier folky stuff has risen up dramatically in mainstream popularity in the wake of Mumford & Sons' success. I wouldn't be surprised if that Houndmouth song which is smashing on AAA right now crosses over to alternative soon. LOL, I find that first statement ironic, seeing as how Mumford and Sons ditched the folky sound that spearheaded the movement on "Wilder Mind". Also, I hope "Sedona" does not cross over. My God, what a snoozefest of a song. |
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Post by Daryl the Beryl on May 30, 2015 8:15:20 GMT -5
To me this is just a matter of AAA and alternative no longer being as segregated from each other as they were for much of the 2000s, coupled with the fact that this rootsier folky stuff has risen up dramatically in mainstream popularity in the wake of Mumford & Sons' success. I wouldn't be surprised if that Houndmouth song which is smashing on AAA right now crosses over to alternative soon. Also, I hope "Sedona" does not cross over. My God, what a snoozefest of a song. Talk about karma. Just when you said you hoped it won't crossover, there's this Top 50 on Alternative: 59 50 HOUNDMOUTH Sedona 158 122 36 0.831 |
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Post by Troy on May 30, 2015 18:34:40 GMT -5
I'm fine with these songs climbing up to as high as 30 or even 25 but if they get into the Alternative top 20 then it just seems to water-down the whole format
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Post by Shadows in the Dark on May 30, 2015 22:34:08 GMT -5
Also, I hope "Sedona" does not cross over. My God, what a snoozefest of a song. Talk about karma. Just when you said you hoped it won't crossover, there's this Top 50 on Alternative: 59 50 HOUNDMOUTH Sedona 158 122 36 0.831 Well g*ddamn it. If this is ANOTHER AAA-Alternative Top 20+, I'm going to smack somebody. |
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Post by Daryl the Beryl on May 31, 2015 19:54:47 GMT -5
Can someone explain to me why is this smashing on Alternative? It's not that I don't like this song, but this sounds like something that's tailor-made for AAA radio instead of alternative(same with Budapest). Only a handful of major cities have popular, commercial AAA stations right now - most stations on the AAA panel are either extremely low rated, or they're college stations with almost no audience outside of campus - and even in markets where a AAA station has a solid audience, power rotation is often down around 20 spins per week - charting exclusively on AAA radio (in 2015) definitely isn't enough to significantly break a new artist on a nationwide level, so labels promote everything they can to the Alternative format, as long as it fits in with the rest of the mix
I see Breaking Benjamin fitting in the mix and this has twice the number of spins as this. If we were in 2010, this would only go top 40 (or not even chart at all) and "Failure" would've easily went top 10. This is the problem some of the rock posters such as Green Baron, American Idiot and Shadows in the Dark are having since most of the core acts are failing. |
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Post by ben777 on May 31, 2015 21:01:26 GMT -5
Only a handful of major cities have popular, commercial AAA stations right now - most stations on the AAA panel are either extremely low rated, or they're college stations with almost no audience outside of campus - and even in markets where a AAA station has a solid audience, power rotation is often down around 20 spins per week - charting exclusively on AAA radio (in 2015) definitely isn't enough to significantly break a new artist on a nationwide level, so labels promote everything they can to the Alternative format, as long as it fits in with the rest of the mix
I see Breaking Benjamin fitting in the mix and this has twice the number of spins as this. If we were in 2010, this would only go top 40 (or not even chart at all) and "Failure" would've easily went top 10. "Failure" is #1 on Active, though, and that's still a huge format, so the Breaking Benjamin record label is happy (I think) - the AAA chart is getting to be almost worthless b/c so few people listen, so I think that's what's driving stuff like this onto Alternative
I think that record labels just care about getting exposure for their artists - not sure that they care so much about whether the format they targeted in 2010 is the same as the format they're targeting now (still just guessing, but I think it makes sense)
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Post by Daryl the Beryl on May 31, 2015 21:07:06 GMT -5
I see Breaking Benjamin fitting in the mix and this has twice the number of spins as this. If we were in 2010, this would only go top 40 (or not even chart at all) and "Failure" would've easily went top 10. "Failure" is #1 on Active, though, and that's still a huge format, so the Breaking Benjamin record label is happy (I think) - the AAA chart is getting to be almost worthless b/c so few people listen, so I think that's what's driving stuff like this onto Alternative
Fair enough. But there should be a limit to the number of AAA crossovers as well. Like, I don't expect to hear Ryan Adams, Ray LaMontagne, Brandi Carlile, etc. on Alternative too because AAA is their core format and they never chart on Alternative IIRC. |
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Post by ben777 on May 31, 2015 21:12:26 GMT -5
"Failure" is #1 on Active, though, and that's still a huge format, so the Breaking Benjamin record label is happy (I think) - the AAA chart is getting to be almost worthless b/c so few people listen, so I think that's what's driving stuff like this onto Alternative
Fair enough. But there should be a limit to the number of AAA crossovers as well. Like, I don't expect to hear Ryan Adams, Ray LaMontagne, Brandi Carlile, etc. on Alternative too because AAA is their core format and they never chart on Alternative IIRC. I think it's weird too - but I'll bet you anything that if Ray LaMontagne put out a new single that started selling well, it would edge its way onto Alternative radio as well - it looks like most Alt. listeners right now don't care if stuff is too soft - they just care if its too poppy (i. e. no Ed Sheeran or Sam Smith) |
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Post by Daryl the Beryl on May 31, 2015 21:16:24 GMT -5
Fair enough. But there should be a limit to the number of AAA crossovers as well. Like, I don't expect to hear Ryan Adams, Ray LaMontagne, Brandi Carlile, etc. on Alternative too because AAA is their core format and they never chart on Alternative IIRC. I think it's weird too - but I'll bet you anything that if Ray LaMontagne put out a new single that started selling well, it would edge its way onto Alternative radio as well - it looks like most Alt. listeners right now don't care if stuff is too soft - they just care if its too loudI don't think 'poppy''s the right word, 'loud' would be a better word. Linkin Park attempted this last year and failed. ETA I saw your edit but still... |
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Post by ben777 on May 31, 2015 21:46:14 GMT -5
Yeah, either too loud or too pop/corny sounding
In 2009 and 2010, though, Alternative radio was in huge trouble - they were losing stations across the country, most ratings were going down, and there were no Alternative stations at all in huge cities
Even if some of the softer stuff is boring, or is sucks, it saved Alternative radio (I think every major city in the U. S. has an Alternative station now except for NYC)
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Post by Cody on May 31, 2015 23:22:01 GMT -5
Yeah, either too loud or too pop/corny sounding In 2009 and 2010, though, Alternative radio was in huge trouble - they were losing stations across the country, most ratings were going down, and there were no Alternative stations at all in huge cities Even if some of the softer stuff is boring, or is sucks, it saved Alternative radio (I think every major city in the U. S. has an Alternative station now except for NYC) This, 100%. When I originally left Pulse in 2010, I was burned out on the new music of the time, and I was convinced alternative radio would cease to exist within a couple of years from that point. But then it turned out that the glimmer of hope that was Phoenix's "1901" lead to an exponential rise in indie rock successes, as soon after Neon Trees, Young The Giant, The Joy Formidable, Foster The People, and Mumford And Sons among others would emerge and change the direction of the format entirely. |
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Post by Daryl the Beryl on May 31, 2015 23:33:01 GMT -5
Yeah, either too loud or too pop/corny sounding In 2009 and 2010, though, Alternative radio was in huge trouble - they were losing stations across the country, most ratings were going down, and there were no Alternative stations at all in huge cities Even if some of the softer stuff is boring, or is sucks, it saved Alternative radio (I think every major city in the U. S. has an Alternative station now except for NYC) This, 100%. When I originally left Pulse in 2010, I was burned out on the new music of the time, and I was convinced alternative radio would cease to exist within a couple of years from that point. But then it turned out that the glimmer of hope that was Phoenix's "1901" lead to an exponential rise in indie rock successes, as soon after Neon Trees, Young The Giant, The Joy Formidable, Foster The People, and Mumford And Sons among others would emerge and change the direction of the format entirely. I am very sad that Phoenix's alt history is now in jeopardy (after Entertainment just missed out on the top 10 and Trying to Be Cool scraped the top 10) . They were one of the bands that actually switched my interest from country music to alternative music, together with "Safe and Sound" and kill me for saying this, Tame Impala's "Elephant". 1901 is one of my favourite songs of all time. |
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