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Post by beachboi69 on Jan 9, 2015 3:00:55 GMT -5
Regarding "Hung Up" it was radio that was completely messed up not the general public's lack of interest.
It was #1 on Itunes a couple weeks and actually does hold the record for the longest stay at #1 on USA MTV's Total Request Live. That clearly shows radio did not match up with its popularity in America. Radio was weighing heavy on the Hot 100. "Hung Up" has sold close to the amount of copies in the USA as Mariah's "We Belong Together" which was #1 on the Hot 100 for weeks a few months earlier. That really proves how popular "Hung Up" was and how radio truly screwed it over in the USA.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Jan 9, 2015 8:23:43 GMT -5
Well, that other song also was on an album that sold a lot more than Confessions did in the USA. But, yeah, it definitely was more successful than its radio peak indicated. Still, though, while only reaching No. 42 on Hot 100 Airplay, it stayed on there for 11 weeks, the same amount of time as "Die Another Day." (I don't think it stayed No. 1 longest on TL, but it did do well there).
LFL is a bit of an unorthodox release for her, in that it will have been made commercially available for several weeks before the push starts. We'll see if the label does something extra special to ensure the general populace knows of its existence.
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Post by adman0468 on Jan 9, 2015 10:23:05 GMT -5
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Post by bat1990 on Jan 9, 2015 10:43:19 GMT -5
Hung up was also the video where Madge really looked "old" probably for the first time, and dressed like that in the pink onesie leotard did not go over well with radio listeners or programmers in the US. I think the video lbs socially sunk what could have been a huge smash (like it was elsewhere). im almost certain that the video was the longest run at #1 of all time on TRL on MTV for that list. The video was played everywhere. And she looked hot. "Sorry" made an impact on TRL and VH1 as well, though not quite as big as "Hung Up." If radio wasn't such a stick in the mud, she probably would've had much better single success with COADF stateside, like the rest of the world.
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Post by August on Jan 9, 2015 10:58:28 GMT -5
Both Hung Up and Sorry had to be "retired" by TRL because they each reached the maximum number of weeks that a video was allowed to be #1 on their countdown. I remember there was an announcement about it and they gave Madonna an award for it on air. I don't believe she personally showed up for it, but they honored the video.
(I work for MTV Networks...got the confirmation from a colleague)
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Post by HolidayGuy on Jan 9, 2015 17:39:42 GMT -5
Didn't "retirement" have to do with number of days period on the show, not just time at No. 1? In any event, HU had 11 days at No. 1, and "Sorry" had eight (and wasn't as successful overall on the countdown as HU).
RE the TRL award- it was for Lifetime Achievement (I just checked among my saved videos).
A top 40 appearance at pop radio would be nice for LFL- I can't imagine anything like top 20, but stranger things have occurred.
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Post by popbox on Jan 9, 2015 17:43:51 GMT -5
I'm not sure if TRL was any kind of way to gauge popularity in 2005 though. The show was way past its prime and not a whole lot of people watched it, hence the voting could be controlled far easier by a fanbase. That said, Hung Up did fantastic in sales, and radio definitely was all that was holding it back in the US from being a big hit. Chandelier is kind of a modern day equivalent. Radio just didn't want to get fully on board despite the people obviously loving it and supporting it.
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Post by Safado on Jan 9, 2015 17:54:19 GMT -5
Apparently this was played on BBC1 radio, when a few years ago, they proclaimed the Madonna fanbase was not in their demographic.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Jan 9, 2015 17:54:36 GMT -5
I agree about TRL. Fanbases probably played a big role before then, too, with the onslaught of teen-pop acts.
"Chandelier" peaked a lot higher on Hot 100 Airplay than HU. But its airplay didn't shine as bright as the sales and streaming, it's true.
Madonna and team should do all they can to drive sales and streaming for LFL.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2015 18:21:14 GMT -5
I'm not sure if TRL was any kind of way to gauge popularity in 2005 though. The show was way past its prime and not a whole lot of people watched it, hence the voting could be controlled far easier by a fanbase. That said, Hung Up did fantastic in sales, and radio definitely was all that was holding it back in the US from being a big hit. Chandelier is kind of a modern day equivalent. Radio just didn't want to get fully on board despite the people obviously loving it and supporting it. Tons of songs that never became big hits went to #1 on TRL. It was more a measure of fanbase obsessiveness than anything. "Hung Up" was followed at #1 by Avenged Sevenfold's "Bat Country". Anyone remember that one?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2015 19:23:20 GMT -5
My favorite M singles (US) since 2000: 10. Die Another Day 9. Don't Tell Me 8. Music 7. Celebration 6. Revolver 5. Hung Up 4. American Pie 3. Jump 2. Get Together 1 . Living for Love
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Post by tommymonster44 on Jan 9, 2015 22:12:24 GMT -5
Madonna's biggest obstacle this era is going to be her brand. The song is good, I would even go as far to say that it is actually really trendy. However, brand is just as important for a pop star as the music itself. A good song can only get you so far. You also have to convince the public that they should buy your music and listen to it on the radio and streaming services.
At this point, Madonnas brand is pretty negative. I remember reading twitter and Facebook around the Superbowl, and you would be pressed to find someone who likes Madonna. Her team is going to have to convince people that listening to a 50 year old, anti american, gay icon is cool. Or, rather, they need to find a trendy, tactful, and strategic way to market this that makes everyone forget about those old stereotypes.
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Post by whiteheat on Jan 10, 2015 1:53:27 GMT -5
Madonna's biggest obstacle this era is going to be her brand. The song is good, I would even go as far to say that it is actually really trendy. However, brand is just as important for a pop star as the music itself. A good song can only get you so far. You also have to convince the public that they should buy your music and listen to it on the radio and streaming services. At this point, Madonnas brand is pretty negative. I remember reading twitter and Facebook around the Superbowl, and you would be pressed to find someone who likes Madonna. Her team is going to have to convince people that listening to a 50 year old, anti american, gay icon is cool. Or, rather, they need to find a trendy, tactful, and strategic way to market this that makes everyone forget about those old stereotypes. I think if the song is good enough or cool enough for the general public to connect with (which I think it is) the general public will be in her corner. Madonna is the queen of controversy (I love her for it) and survived so many that in the end they will not effect anything in regards to the music buying public perception. Haters gonna hate! but millions who understand her love her for speaking her mind and not conforming to any of society's labels or boxes. They just need to be very wise on what image and what messages they want to convey in the video/performances etc. BTW Madonna is not anti-American And Radio 1 in the UK did spin LFL once, perhaps a promising sign. comparemyradio.com/tracks/Madonna/Living_for_Love
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Post by bitchplease on Jan 10, 2015 2:17:51 GMT -5
^^Hung Up came out when only generic urban crap dominated radio. Anything that was even remotely different was rejected, especially EDM-leaning songs like Hung Up. #16 isn't too bad, but considering it was #1 pretty much everywhere, just talks about the state of US radio at the time yup, except for kelly clarkson. pop radio 2005 was basically identical with rhytmic playlist+kelly clarkson. hung up is such a good single ????
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Post by velaxti on Jan 10, 2015 7:34:02 GMT -5
Apparently this was played on BBC1 radio, when a few years ago, they proclaimed the Madonna fanbase was not in their demographic. Radio 1 played 4 Minutes and Like A Prayer last year... Why do so many people think she's completely blacklisted from the station like Gary Glitter? All they said was that they're not going to playlist every single she releases anymore, they'll still play a song from her every now and then.
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Post by Safado on Jan 10, 2015 7:45:59 GMT -5
Apparently this was played on BBC1 radio, when a few years ago, they proclaimed the Madonna fanbase was not in their demographic. Radio 1 played 4 Minutes and Like A Prayer last year... Why do so many people think she's completely blacklisted from the station like Gary Glitter? All they said was that they're not going to playlist every single she releases anymore, they'll still play a song from her every now and then. Umm, new music.
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Post by velaxti on Jan 10, 2015 7:57:46 GMT -5
Radio 1 played 4 Minutes and Like A Prayer last year... Why do so many people think she's completely blacklisted from the station like Gary Glitter? All they said was that they're not going to playlist every single she releases anymore, they'll still play a song from her every now and then. Umm, new music. I suppose. Madonna having a new single getting played 20 times a week on Radio 1 probably won't ever happen again, but on the other hand, I am not at all surprised that they played it ONCE! Radio 1 play all sorts of random songs, and they have specialist programs, etc. At the very least you could expect some dance remixes of her new songs to get a spin in one of the late-night dance programs or something. DJs can choose a lot of what they play on some programs, so if they have DJ who wants to play a Madonna song, Radio 1 can't/won't stop them. They've even played Madonna on Radio 1Xtra a couple of times last year! Basically, I expected Radio 1 to play this song at one point, I would've been more surprised if they didn't play it at all tbh.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2015 8:59:18 GMT -5
Madonna's biggest obstacle this era is going to be her brand. The song is good, I would even go as far to say that it is actually really trendy. However, brand is just as important for a pop star as the music itself. A good song can only get you so far. You also have to convince the public that they should buy your music and listen to it on the radio and streaming services. At this point, Madonnas brand is pretty negative. I remember reading twitter and Facebook around the Superbowl, and you would be pressed to find someone who likes Madonna. Her team is going to have to convince people that listening to a 50 year old, anti american, gay icon is cool. Or, rather, they need to find a trendy, tactful, and strategic way to market this that makes everyone forget about those old stereotypes. A lot of the people turned off by her recent behavior are either out of the demographic that pop radio cares about or were never going to support her music anyway. Pop radio has become increasingly youth-oriented. The 16 year-old girls that pop radio targets are not interested in Madonna, and it really doesn't matter what she releases. It's just not "cool" to be into a pop singer in her mid-50s who was around way before you were born. We used to talk about how there was a hurdle once an act reached 40. Now mid-30s is becoming the new "old" at pop radio. I think Madonna could have had another "Give Me All Your Luvin" type run with a radio deal, but with this out a couple months by the time it even goes to CHR/Pop, I don't see it getting very far. There's no hype or radio deal behind it.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Jan 10, 2015 12:17:59 GMT -5
Interscope could always have a radio promo leading up to the Grammys, or right after, but that would be kinda unprecedented for a track that's been out.
Team Madge likely know top 40 radio is an obstacle, and will focus on maximizing sales and streaming.
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Post by beachboi69 on Jan 10, 2015 15:07:17 GMT -5
This song is good so it deserves success on its own merit not stereotypes. I'm totally on board for this its a fun bop!!!
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Post by jumpb4uthink on Jan 11, 2015 10:11:36 GMT -5
Hope that this Up Up Up Up buoyant song gets a lyric video.
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Post by @DjKingBee on Jan 12, 2015 13:56:58 GMT -5
In a perfect world hard candy would have come out in 2005 and confessions in 2008! Then M would have been acknowledged as a trailblazer! THIS !!!!! So TRUE. anyways I hope LFL smashes...
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Jan 12, 2015 14:12:35 GMT -5
Madonna's biggest obstacle this era is going to be her brand. The song is good, I would even go as far to say that it is actually really trendy. However, brand is just as important for a pop star as the music itself. A good song can only get you so far. You also have to convince the public that they should buy your music and listen to it on the radio and streaming services. At this point, Madonnas brand is pretty negative. I remember reading twitter and Facebook around the Superbowl, and you would be pressed to find someone who likes Madonna. Her team is going to have to convince people that listening to a 50 year old, anti american, gay icon is cool. Or, rather, they need to find a trendy, tactful, and strategic way to market this that makes everyone forget about those old stereotypes. WHAT?????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?????????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!It's so funny how people think their circle of friends is how everyone else feels!! LOL EDIT: Oh, wait! I just notice the profile picture! SMH
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Post by Tea-why on Jan 12, 2015 18:45:07 GMT -5
I listened to it quite a few times today and it's grown on me quite a bit. I like the message and I think it could do welll on the Hot 100 with a killer video. I'm excited to see how this does.
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Post by adman0468 on Jan 13, 2015 18:10:14 GMT -5
She has confirmed today that she will be performing on the Grammys. There's no way it can have the impact that her Superbowl performance did, but maybe she can stand out enough to get this song some exposure. Plus, I'm sure this year's concert will be announced that week to keep the hype building.
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Post by seaguy27 on Jan 13, 2015 18:14:30 GMT -5
Grammys are one of the best venues in which to promote music outside of the Superbowl. I do wish her Super Bowl would have been to promote this album and song versus the last.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Jan 14, 2015 9:00:03 GMT -5
The Grammys will be the first big impact for LFL, unlike when she performed "Music" and "Hung Up" ("Music" had long peaked, and HU was still on the Hot 100 at the time, but had peaked weeks prior). And when she performed Ray of Light's fourth single, the single wasn't yet released as a CD single- WB had delayed it, and released it almost two months later.
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Post by kmbgs on Jan 14, 2015 10:39:07 GMT -5
I always thought Behind These Hazel Eyes was the longest running TRL #1 with like, 33 days or something?
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Post by kmbgs on Jan 14, 2015 10:48:38 GMT -5
My favorite M singles (US) since 2000: 10. Die Another Day 9. Don't Tell Me 8. Music 7. Celebration 6. Revolver 5. Hung Up 4. American Pie 3. Jump 2. Get Together 1 . Living for Love 1. 4 Minutes 2. GI2M 3. Music 4. DTM 5. Hung Up Here's my top 5.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Jan 14, 2015 13:19:07 GMT -5
kmbgs- the longest-running TRL No. 1 is not Madonna, so it's a moot point. :)
"Living For Love" just may threaten to rank among my Madonna top 5 singles since 2000.
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