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Post by rsmatto on Feb 13, 2015 17:15:26 GMT -5
It's in the Upcoming Albums thread. :) I actually saw it on Facebook right after I posted. The song sound really great the only two I'm wary about are Love Land and Pray for Peace. Love the Brandy Clark cowrites. She already released "Pray For Peace" last year.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Feb 13, 2015 17:41:53 GMT -5
I actually saw it on Facebook right after I posted. The song sound really great the only two I'm wary about are Love Land and Pray for Peace. Love the Brandy Clark cowrites. In case you or anyone else is curious, this is "Love Land" as sung by Martina McBride from Waking Up Laughing in 2007:
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Post by McCreerian on Feb 13, 2015 17:58:39 GMT -5
Oh man Reba will sound so good on "Love Land." I've never heard that song before but WOW I can't wait to hear Reba on it!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2015 18:16:10 GMT -5
I actually saw it on Facebook right after I posted. The song sound really great the only two I'm wary about are Love Land and Pray for Peace. Love the Brandy Clark cowrites. She already released "Pray For Peace" last year. I know, that's why I'm like eh. It's a nice gesture but not really album worthy, but its Reba and she does no wrong. I also take back my reservations about Love Land. All the new songs sound great.
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Post by kml567 on Feb 13, 2015 23:28:06 GMT -5
Reba needs to drop this song and release "Love Somebody" ASAP to radio. That Sam Hunt co-wrote will go straight to #1 on country radio. GOLT is going nowhere right now on the charts.
10. “Love Somebody” (Sam Hunt, Shane McAnally, Josh Osborne)
Interesting that the album is also called "Love Somebody". Hopefully that's a sign similar to Billy Currington's "We Are Tonight".
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Post by sbp17 on Feb 13, 2015 23:49:38 GMT -5
Yeah, there's too much wrong with the above to even know where to start.
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Post by matty005 on Feb 14, 2015 0:52:58 GMT -5
Reba needs to drop this song and release "Love Somebody" ASAP to radio. That Sam Hunt co-wrote will go straight to #1 on country radio. GOLT is going nowhere right now on the charts. 10. “Love Somebody” (Sam Hunt, Shane McAnally, Josh Osborne) Interesting that the album is also called "Love Somebody". Hopefully that's a sign similar to Billy Currington's "We Are Tonight". It's not uncommon at all to have an album titled after a track on the CD.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Feb 14, 2015 2:13:33 GMT -5
Reba needs to drop this song and release "Love Somebody" ASAP to radio. That Sam Hunt co-wrote will go straight to #1 on country radio. GOLT is going nowhere right now on the charts. 10. “Love Somebody” (Sam Hunt, Shane McAnally, Josh Osborne) Interesting that the album is also called "Love Somebody". Hopefully that's a sign similar to Billy Currington's "We Are Tonight". It's not uncommon at all to have an album titled after a track on the CD. Yep. Heck, she did the same exact thing with her last two albums, and only one of those two albums saw the title track get released to radio. I haven't heard "Love Somebody" (I know some heard it as a preview awhile back), but pulling GOLT right after releasing it would be the worst thing they could do at this point, and it's not doing that bad anyway (and I doubt anything else would be any higher up the chart rn if they'd released a different track to radio). I also doubt that a Sam Hunt co-write will affect chart performance much if at all.
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Post by kml567 on Feb 14, 2015 9:37:14 GMT -5
According to Mediabase, it drops down to #46 with a negative bullet (-23 spins). I'm sure it'll get its bullet back, but it's certainly moving slowly for a 1st single (with a shockingly low 39 adds out of 149). Keep in mind that the big gains the past few weeks came exclusively from the Cumulus block increasing its spins en masse, so the nice increases were a bit misleading. Now that Cumulus stations are already giving it high rotation (30-40 spins), the only way this song can move up is really via the non-Cumulus stations. I saw only 2 adds from non-Cumulus stations this week, which is a bad sign. I'd give this 4 more weeks to see if any other stations are willing to add the song, but I'm starting to think this might pull a Garth Brooks "Mom". My prediction is that she'll need a new single in time for the ACMs/album release week.
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Post by mus1cr0w on Feb 14, 2015 10:36:29 GMT -5
I don't think this song, by its very nature can go number one.
Nash ICON is Cumulus only. It goes against radio's nature to add a song that is helping the competition. To get to #1 these days you need all reporting stations in sync.
It is interesting to watch, however.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2015 12:12:24 GMT -5
According to Mediabase, it drops down to #46 with a negative bullet (-23 spins). I'm sure it'll get its bullet back, but it's certainly moving slowly for a 1st single (with a shockingly low 39 adds out of 149). Keep in mind that the big gains the past few weeks came exclusively from the Cumulus block increasing its spins en masse, so the nice increases were a bit misleading. Now that Cumulus stations are already giving it high rotation (30-40 spins), the only way this song can move up is really via the non-Cumulus stations. So why would "Love Somebody" do any differently? Because of the fact that Sam Hunt was one of the writers? It would be in the same exact situation as "Going Out Like That": a song by a nearly 60-year-old female artist whose label affiliation is with Cumulus. The "Nash Icon" name is a Cumulus brand, so in my opinion, there's only so far that Nash Icons can go. However, if country radio as a whole decides to buy into this 'fragmented country format' idea, then we might see older artists and more country-leaning artists (of all ages) get airplay on stations that adopt this "more country"-sounding format.
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Post by sabre14 on Feb 14, 2015 12:33:59 GMT -5
I don't even think it has to be said in opinion; Nash Icon can only get you so far. There is still the fact we have never seen a Nash Icon single before, but having an artist and single affiliated with one of the rival corporations is just not a recipe for chart success - coupled with Reba's age and even gender. This week has not been a good one for "Going Out Like That". I don't have the exact numbers in front of me (mobile) but I know the total audience loss for the week is around 200-300k. The number of stations jumping on board is a major problem. There's only so far being on 39 monitored stations can take you. I agree with jhomes87 that a fragmented genre would be the way to get traditional country and artists of all ages played, but that's a road that would be very interesting for country radio if it comes true. I said top 40 with an outside shot at a top 30 peak before this was released and unfortunately that's looking more correct than even I thought. Edit: "Going Out Like That" has lost 161k in audience this week.
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Post by RobbyFlorida on Feb 14, 2015 15:13:08 GMT -5
Reba needs to drop this song and release "Love Somebody" ASAP to radio. That Sam Hunt co-wrote will go straight to #1 on country radio. GOLT is going nowhere right now on the charts. 10. “Love Somebody” (Sam Hunt, Shane McAnally, Josh Osborne) Interesting that the album is also called "Love Somebody". Hopefully that's a sign similar to Billy Currington's "We Are Tonight". Album titles have a long history of being named after songs on an album, TitleTracks which were singles or named after songs on an album which were not singles: Reba 1984- "Just A Little Love" 1985- "Have I Got A Deal For You 1986- "Whoever's In New England" 1986- "What Am I Gonna Do About You" 1987- "The Last One To Know" 1990- "Rumor Has It" 1991- "For My Broken Heart" 1992- "It's Your Call"1994- "Read My Mind" 1996 - "What If It's You"2003 - "Room To Breathe" 2010 - "All The Women I Am" Bold = Albums Tracks released as singles. Not Bold = Album Tracks NOT released as singles. Reba Albums titled from part of a song on an album: 1995 - "Starting Over" Song: "Starting Over Again" 1998 - "If You See Him" Song: "If You See Him, If You See Her" 1999 - "So Good Together" Song: "We're So Good Together" 2009 - "Keep On Loving You" Song: "I Keep On Loving You"Bold = Albums Tracks released as singles. Not Bold = Album Tracks NOT released as singles.
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Post by StrongerThanTheTruth on Feb 14, 2015 21:52:30 GMT -5
Reba needs to drop this song and release "Love Somebody" ASAP to radio. That Sam Hunt co-wrote will go straight to #1 on country radio. GOLT is going nowhere right now on the charts. 10. “Love Somebody” (Sam Hunt, Shane McAnally, Josh Osborne) Interesting that the album is also called "Love Somebody". Hopefully that's a sign similar to Billy Currington's "We Are Tonight". Having heard Love Somebody...I don't think it'd do any better on radio regardless of who wrote it!
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Post by .indulgecountry on Feb 16, 2015 23:12:58 GMT -5
Even though it was originally hinted at that there might not be a music video for this, Reba posted a photo on Facebook today from the set of the video shoot. How exciting!
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Post by jar7519 on Feb 17, 2015 11:04:09 GMT -5
Hope this helps the single! How long does it usually take for a video to come out once it has been shot? Also how are video plays factored into the position a single places on the charts or is it very significant at all?
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Post by .indulgecountry on Feb 17, 2015 11:12:30 GMT -5
Hope this helps the single! How long does it usually take for a video to come out once it has been shot? Also how are video plays factored into the position a single places on the charts or is it very significant at all? Streaming for the video does factor into the new Hot Country Songs formula, though country music videos tend to not get a whole lot of views. It will definitely help the song in the grand scheme of things, but it remains to be seen how much of an impact exactly.
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Post by RobbyFlorida on Feb 17, 2015 21:00:28 GMT -5
Unfortunately, it looks like this song reached the ceiling at #40 last week on Billboard. This week it lost its bullet, audience, and plays moving from #40 to #41. Billboard Country AirPlay ©Issue Date: February 28, 2015TW LW Weeks On Chart Artist Name Title Imprint | Catalog No. | Distributing Label Peak 41 40 6 Reba GOING OUT LIKE THAT Starstruck | DIGITAL | NASH Icon Records 40 Audience: 4.058 -0.029 Plays: 874 -19 www.billboard.com/files/pdfs/country_update_0217.pdf45 - 44 - 42 - 41 - 40 - 41
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2015 21:36:43 GMT -5
Unfortunately, it looks like this song reached the ceiling at #40 last week on Billboard. This week it lost its bullet, audience, and plays moving from #40 to #41. This is a very small decrease that can easily be recovered from. I wouldn't say that this song has reached the ceiling just yet. The problem (which has been well-documented in this thread) is that Reba's label, Nash Icons, is a partnership between Big Machine and Cumulus. And since Cumulus is a rival of the biggest radio conglomerate (iHeartMedia, formerly known as Clear Channel) as well as a competitor to CBS, Townsquare, and other groups, it is going to be very difficult for the label folks to convince iHeartMedia and CBS stations to play this song. As of last week, there were 149 stations that report to Mediabase and have their airplay tabulated in the main Mediabase/Country Aircheck chart. But "Going Out Like That" is only getting airplay on 39 of those stations, which translates to only about 26% of the panel. If you look at the image below, you can see Reba's problem in the column that's 2nd to the right: Only 39 stations, whereas the songs around her are getting airplay on 2-3 times as many stations. Reba's in a very unique situation because normally a song with only 40 adds would be way down near the bottom of the chart (maybe in the 50's on Billboard) or maybe not even on the chart at all. However, she is getting a high amount of spins/audience per station...because the Cumulus block of stations is playing this song at a pretty high rotation already. The songs that are on 80-100+ stations have much more room to grow, because they are obviously mainly in light rotation across the board at those stations. But with Reba, the Cumulus stations are already giving this song 30-40 spins per week (per station), and I'm not sure how much higher they will be willing to go. My point is, I don't think GOLT is done yet; a one-week loss of 19 spins and 29,000 audience impressions is a very, very small loss. But, unless a bunch more stations add this song, then she will indeed hit a "ceiling", so to speak, probably somewhere in the 30's.
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Post by sabre14 on Feb 18, 2015 0:40:26 GMT -5
^ I pretty much agree with everything you said. Though today Reba lost another 57k in audience and 100k since Sunday. That coming off the heels of a 140k in lost audience on MB this past week (chart issued 2/9). The biggest number is 0 adds this week - not one - which to me is really telling of how Reba's radio career is thought of now. iHeartMedia and CBS are simply given this single the cold shoulder - mainly because of its affiliation with Cumulus, though like I've brought up a few times, Reba's age plays a factor as well; maybe a bigger factor than some want to believe.
The small optimist side of me, thinks this can last until a peak in the top 34 or 35 songs on both MB and Billboard, but she needs more stations helping this song out and until that help comes, "Going Out Like That" might not get much higher at all.
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Post by jar7519 on Feb 18, 2015 18:04:09 GMT -5
I'm puzzled as to what the long term goal is for Reba & the other future Nash Icon artist? Is top 40 going to be the best case scenario for them due to being shut out from over 100 other radio stations because their affiliation with Cumulus? I thought Borchetta told Reba he knew how to get radio to play her again. Her last 2 singles charted at 40 & 44 with Valory & that was the 3rd & 4th single from her last album. Wouldn't she have been better off staying strictly with Valory & not isolating herself from all the other radio stations?
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Post by mus1cr0w on Feb 18, 2015 20:29:56 GMT -5
I'm puzzled as to what the long term goal is for Reba & the other future Nash Icon artist? Is top 40 going to be the best case scenario for them due to being shut out from over 100 other radio stations because their affiliation with Cumulus? I thought Borchetta told Reba he knew how to get radio to play her again. Her last 2 singles charted at 40 & 44 with Valory & that was the 3rd & 4th single from her last album. Wouldn't she have been better off staying strictly with Valory & not isolating herself from all the other radio stations? Exactly. It seems that Scott is asking a Mercedes dealership to sell a line of BMWs. Or Apple to ship their PCs with a Windows operating system. Business is business. Clear Channel/iHeart are not going to help out Cumulus. Period. Unless Borchetta has a trick up his sleeve, this will only serve to help drive people to the live show. MR
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2015 21:15:11 GMT -5
I'm puzzled as to what the long term goal is for Reba & the other future Nash Icon artist? Is top 40 going to be the best case scenario for them due to being shut out from over 100 other radio stations because their affiliation with Cumulus? I thought Borchetta told Reba he knew how to get radio to play her again. Her last 2 singles charted at 40 & 44 with Valory & that was the 3rd & 4th single from her last album. Wouldn't she have been better off staying strictly with Valory & not isolating herself from all the other radio stations? Nash Icons is really just the first phase. I think the hope is that the country format will fragment in two, becoming "mainstream country" and "adult country" (or something like that). That seems to be what the whole idea was behind Cumulus' decision here, and I think Nash Icons is just the initial phase of it. I believe that Borchetta and many other people in the industry feel that a complete fragmentation of the country format is inevitable, and that there will eventually be Nash Icon-type of stations owned by Clear Channel as well. I agree that an alliance with one radio conglomerate (ie, Reba's alignment with Cumulus) is never going to translate into a major radio hit, because competing radio stations aren't going to get on board. But I think, for now, this isn't a bad setup for Reba. Nash Icons will be more than just a record label. The main reason that I don't think this is a bad setup for Reba is because of her age. I realize I sound incredibly pessimistic here, but I never expected her to have a resurgence again, just as I don't foresee artists like George Strait, Alan Jackson, or Toby Keith scoring more than the occasional hit or two here and there... unless there is a country radio format that leans toward older and more traditional artists. The Cumulus stations that have flipped to Nash Icon programming have done quite well in the ratings, so I'm guessing that Cumulus hopes they'll "force" Clear Channel and other stations to consider adopting a similar type of format, resulting in Nash Icon-type of programming on Clear Channel stations, as well as a complete fragmenting of the country radio genre. Then Cumulus will probably try to take the credit, saying "hey, we were first!" Even though "Going Out Like That" might struggle to be a hit for Reba, her partnership with Nash Icons gave her quite a bit of buzz, and it allows her to get new music out to the fans.
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Post by jar7519 on Feb 18, 2015 21:46:55 GMT -5
That is a very interesting analysis! Thanks jhomes87 for shedding some light on this!!
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Post by .indulgecountry on Feb 21, 2015 1:39:08 GMT -5
I don't really see the genre separating in two, or if it does, I can't see it being all that successful in the long run. The Hot AC and AC charts, with a few exceptions, mostly mimic the CHR charts nowadays, and I don't think the spread of country music (even with bro-country) is wide enough to follow the setup of the Urban charts (where you have Urban vs. Urban AC - because there's a big enough disparity between slow jam R&B songs and hip-hop/rap numbers). At any rate, as much as I think in theory, it'd be cool to have a chart running parallel to the mainstream chart that allows artists like Reba McEntire and George Strait to still score big hits w/o having to fight for airplay against the young artists, I'm not sure I can picture that *really* working because then a lot more stations are going to have to flip and I can ultimately see the charts mirroring the only slight differences between Hot AC and CHR as of late, for instance. That's just my view on it though. Maybe it'll work, but I just don't know.
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Post by mus1cr0w on Feb 21, 2015 8:02:18 GMT -5
What will be really interesting is when she releases "Enough" with Jennifer Nettles.
I wonder if Sony will have the power to promote to non-cumulus stations on Jennifer's behalf?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2015 15:08:49 GMT -5
I wonder if Sony will have the power to promote to non-cumulus stations on Jennifer's behalf? Jennifer is a UMG artist, not Sony. I doubt it would make much of a difference anyway. Reba is signed to Nash Icon Records, and her singles are promoted to radio by Valory, not by the label of whatever artist she duets with.
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Post by mus1cr0w on Feb 21, 2015 15:12:51 GMT -5
I wonder if Sony will have the power to promote to non-cumulus stations on Jennifer's behalf? Jennifer is a UMG artist, not Sony. I doubt it would make much of a difference anyway. Reba is signed to Nash Icon Records, and her singles are promoted to radio by Valory, not by the label of whatever artist she duets with. my bad UMG. MR
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2015 22:10:53 GMT -5
This one sits at #43 on Mediabase today...I'm curious to see what'll happen if it reaches the top 40 there. Will the Clear Channel stations that carry Bob Kingsley's countdown play this song? Or might they try to edit it out? It's hard for me to imagine, but Clear Channel and CBS have made it clear that don't want to add this one because of Reba's affiliation with Cumulus. If it enters the top 40, though, then they'll be forced to play it (even if it's just the 1 weekend spin on the countdown) or they'll have to do some weird editing with the top 40 countdown shows.
"Going Out Like That" only picked up 1 add this week; however, it was a Clear Channel (iHeartMedia) station...KNIX right here in Phoenix. But I think that, out of the 40 stations that have added this song, only about 3-5 of them are Clear Channel or CBS ones.
I haven't heard this one on KNIX yet, but I suspect that the main reason they added it is because Reba is coming to the Valley at the end of next month (March 28) for Celebrity Fight Night, which is a huge annual charity here. I've already started to hear the event being advertised on both KNIX and KMLE. Reba is going to perform and also be the emcee at the event. Other performers will be Blake Shelton, Kelly Clarkson, Ronnie Dunn, Josh Groban, and David Foster. The 28th is also Reba's 60th birthday.
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Post by jar7519 on Feb 25, 2015 12:46:09 GMT -5
Is the single making a dent at all in the sales chart? Reba had such a strong first week in sales & then it seemed to just fall off the sales chart. Even if the Clear Channel stations are refusing to play GOLT, I would think/hope that the sales for the single would be better, especially since this is the 1st single & the CD isn't out yet.....
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